If God doesn't exist, then there's no such thing as good and evil, and I'm free to truly do whatever I want. I can be a mercenary and start killing others in wars like it's a video game without any remorse and if I end up dying then there's no hell and if I end up losing limbs then I can just kill myself and there still won't be hell. Add a bonus where I can also commit war crimes for shits and giggles. It would be so much fun going to Ukraine right now and doing that then being a 9 to 5 wageslave for the rest of my life.
So why don't you?
You're correct; God doesn't exist. There is no right or wrong, no inherent morality. In a cold, heartless universe governed by the laws of probability, there is no absolute truth, only infinite perspectives.
But, you are not alone within God's creation. You are limited. Your existence is ephemeral. And you have adversaries.
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>If God doesn't exist, then there's no such thing as good and evil
Why think that?
Because God, from a theistic point of view, offers objectivity of morals.
If morals are not absolute then they become subjective and circumstantial. Relative.
Now I disagree with that, relativity of morals is in God's image, ever-changing(infinite/omnipresent) and ever-complete(eternal/omniscient).
The whole of creation was given the will to survive and multiply, morals should arise from that. If we are to believe love is the driving force of creation then empathy is how it talks through humanity.
That's not an answer to the question.
It does, if morals are subjective then what is evil for one becomes good for the other. Who is to say if good and evil exist if it's just a matter of perception?
Anon we spend our whole lives navigating emotional concepts like value and sentiment and meaning and morality and vibes and emotions. Them being from our heads and shared with each other does not make them meaningless
I understand that. I was trying to lay down a theistic argument. I am not a theist and don't mind that meaning is something you pursue, not learn.
But for theists it is something learned even if debated at times.
Once again entertaining the question, if the meaning is derived from the subject(Man) and not the object(God), how can it ever be "true".
>if morals are subjective
I don't think they are.
It’s game theory at a society level the higher traits like theory of mind, iq, low time preference, capacity for abstraction, the more complex and effective the morals work out will be, wait patient in queues instead of everyone push his way to the front, for example.
so which god
Any, Theists base their morality from the holy books.
God could exist and morals non the less be subjective
The virgin Levantine
>let’s two entire cities get overrun by poofs
>takes an act of god to get rid of them
The chad Germanic
->uses common sense Odin created him with to work out what bogs are for
I am not sure I understand what you mean. You compare the moralistic judgement of sodom and gomorrah to people exploring swamps?
Written tradition to oral tradition?
A lost religion to a living one?
Bogs are where buggerers were thrown. No need for rule books.
Yet eventually it became passed down orally
>forced to discuss philosophy with Redditors or sociopathic 23 year old virgins on IQfy
Spare me
Even if God did exist, why does that make good and evil real? What you’re trying to say is that if God does not exist as we conceive of Him then the unseen consequences of actions deemed good and evil are not true. What if it wasn’t true to begin with? What if God is utterly indifferent?
Morality in the Old Testament are clearly subjective, and in the New Testament subjective in a different way (letter of the law vs meaning of the law)
Suppose there's a God but he's not interested in giving you good boi points for morals...
>and if I end up dying then there's no hell and if I end up losing limbs then I can just kill myself and there still won't be hell.
Okay? Doesn't sound like a great time though.
You can. But you won't because you are a pussy ass b***h.