It interesting how France went from the most populous country in europe to requiring millions of European immigrants to maintain its size while theirs...

It interesting how France went from the most populous country in europe to requiring millions of European immigrants to maintain its size while theirs neighbors' populations doubled or even tripled.

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The weird thing is that literally nobody even knows why. Their birthrates diverged from the European average during Louis XIV and didn't recover to the mean until after WWII. There are lots of theories but none of them are accepted as the definitive answer.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >nobody even knows why
      millions of the very best of French youth dying in pointless wars for the interest of a family of Mafiosi in the early 19th century must have nothing to do with it.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        More Russians died in the scorched earth tactics. And the Grand Armee was half kraut and Italian. Most survivors were French because they allowed their puppets to starve instead of the French. The napoleonic wars took its toll harder on the Germans and Russians but they rebounded just fine. Hell the krauts took a far far worse beating in the 30 years war and rebounded just fine and only became more militarily stronger

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          No France payed the biggest toll of the war
          >30 years war
          But the HRE was a second rate european power after that and it wasn't until Prussia rise that the Germanic world gained some relevance again

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Didn't the HRE lose 1/3 of its population due to that war? Maybe even more.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Austria was not a second rate party between 1648-1701

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It totally was lmao. And through the 18th century as well. It was big (even after losing a lot of its population) but that was it. It was behind France, England, Prussia, the Dutch or even Spain until the late 18th century

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Russia too.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >destroy religion
      >hyper individualism
      >consoomerism
      >moronic wars
      >centralized economy
      >urbanization

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        19th century france was rural compared to England and Germany

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Everyone lived in cities or on the coast

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >hyper-religious until revolution, decline starts before then
        >less individualist and consumerist than the anglo-americans
        >germany and russia also got crushed in wars
        >less urbanized than the anglos
        How is it possible to be this moronic?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >The weird thing is that literally nobody even knows why. Their birthrates diverged from the European average during Louis XIV and didn't recover to the mean until after WWII. There are lots of theories but none of them are accepted as the definitive answer.
      The French were one of if not the first nation to enthusiastically embrace contraceptives. "Women's liberation" kills nations

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Their population in 1500 was already 15 million, while England had 2,1 mil.
      Maybe they just achieved the maximum peak of what they could sustain very quickly?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Why was the population of Hungary so low if the Carpathian basin was so fertile? It's almost the size of France with 1/5 the population.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          East Central Europe has always been less developed and less populated than Western Europe. Also, the Pannonia basin used to be more swampy.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          No way portugal had more inhabitants than england
          I call bullshit on this map

          Seems fishy yeah.
          Seems like this map just copied a list from Wikipedia, which is dubiously sourced.
          England's population is pretty accurate though as we have sources on that. I've found claims phrting Portugal around 1,7 million which seems reasonable.

          Italy population seem vastly underestimated too

          It's from Wikipedia:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_in_1500
          High Portugeese pop makes sense, since the mediterranean was the center of the vast majority of political events from the beginning of human civilizations.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            no portugal proper never had 3 millions inhabitants then
            maybe portuguese empire

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        No way portugal had more inhabitants than england
        I call bullshit on this map

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Seems fishy yeah.
          Seems like this map just copied a list from Wikipedia, which is dubiously sourced.
          England's population is pretty accurate though as we have sources on that. I've found claims phrting Portugal around 1,7 million which seems reasonable.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Italy population seem vastly underestimated too

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Why? If you count everything it almost reaches 8 million, and there's some states that have no numbers on them.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The population of Ireland was 1m in 1500. The figure you got from Wikipedia is the "Lordship of Ireland", which was the part of Ireland that England controlled before Henry VIII conquered the rest.

        Pic related. Probably calculated from The Pale, which was directly controlled by England, and select Norman Lords who were in fealty to London at that particular time. Don't care about the file name.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Frogs have marginally higher fertility rate than other Europeans now

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      those aren't "frogs" and you know it

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Das rite

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        and since it was visited by macron this school is probably one of the less worse. And already half the kids there ain't white.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      France is like 30% non-white, stop coping you delusional frog. Biggest musilm shithole in all of europe

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I calculated it some time ago.
    Yeah, France didn't experience the population boom in the XIX century like the other countries.
    Even Spain was better, despite being way poorer.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    > requiring millions of European immigrants to maintain its size
    France had a mass immigration program? I wasn’t aware of this. Is there a name for this migration or anywhere I can find more information on it?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >France had a mass immigration program?
      No they haven't. OP is bullshitting.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      yes here
      https://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/6793391

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The French revolution liberated women and France gained a reputation for its libertine attitude and brothels while the rest of Europe shuddered and adopted a more social conservative attitude. Even the Anglos, although the Anglos were further into the industrial revolution and wealthier. 19th century Anglos in general were based and everything cut out.

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