>Arguments have long suggested that the advent of early farming in the Near East and Anatolia was linked to a "Goddess" cult.
>We studied social organisation, mobility patterns and gendered practices in Neolithic Southwest Asia using 131 paleogenomes from Çatalhöyük East Mound (7100-5950 BCE), a major settlement in Central Anatolia with an uninterrupted occupation and an apparent egalitarian structure
>contrast to widespread genetic evidence for patrilocality in Neolithic Europe, the Çatalhöyük individuals revealed no indication of patrilocal mobility.
>We also identified differential funerary treatment of female subadults compared to those of males, with a higher frequency of grave goods associated with females. Our results reveal how kinship practices changed while key female roles persisted over one thousand years
I forgot the sources
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.06.23.600259v1?ct
So at the end of the day, the memes weren't so wrong, right?
Maybe in Anatolia yes, but in Europe, at least later, no.
A lot of the societies of Old Europe retained many of the technologies and social practices from Anatolia, including making stuff from clay and having cattle skulls in the houses. Interesting to think about the social differences, I think, and what spurs people to migrate.
ANF bros?
Do you are matriarch? Wft
imagine when the IE vs ANF helloguys discovered this study???? the ANF vs IE fight will take new directions like they did with the Hallstatt study, which was also matrilineal haha
We need more war
I am a woman and I am a matriarch.
yes, but they don't think it was like a feminist or utopian fantasy like a marija's... matriarchy is not like feminists say.
women from agricultural societies, especially without much competition with other groups, did have a greater position in society, as in Turkey cited in the study
But that doesn't mean that women were some kind of misandric tyranny... and the religious factor is closely linked.
matriarchy is better because women are better leaders than men. They can solve problems creatively and tend to have a more comprehensive view of situations. Additionally, they have greater empathy for other people and can understand their feelings more easily. In patriarchy, on the other hand, men tend to be very self-centered and cannot see beyond their own needs
>matriarchy is better because women are better leaders than men. They can solve problems creatively and tend to have a more comprehensive view of situations
Women and creativity is should never be written in same sentence, lol
What level of argument is yours, eh? moronic.
women are also more resilient and able to adapt to change.
(the fact that it is easier to learn languages is not a coincidence)
and have greater emotional capacity
Black person, all great minds are men, from scientists to generals. besides that, women are not addaptable, they are just conformist.
Stop using racist slurs and mabye i will keep reply to your arguments 🙂
No, Black person 🙂
Stop huffing your own farts. Virtue signalling doesn't work on this website since it's anonymous.
Well, I would say it's because women have more female hormones and these hormones make them better at socializing. Furthermore, women's brains have more brain connections than men's and this helps them think logically and analytically.
>Well, I would say it's because women have more female hormones and these hormones make them better at socializing
Correct
>Furthermore, women's brains have more brain connections than men's and this helps them think logically and analytically.
Fake and fake.
Well, what's the surprise? although the old stuttering moron used imbecile arguments based solely on "man look at this female figurine" was not enough for her arguments, she touched on an interesting subject that agriculture and the spoon actor recalls a mother giving her fruits to the people (son) So I never found it curious why people derived from the ANF had such feminine gods in relation to fertile soil
but I didn't know it was as restricted as this study says.
It's true, she was in charge after all.
Not to jump to conclusions from this (as if I would) but I wonder if the patrilocal, patrillineal, patriarchal Neolithic societies of Europe splintered off cos they didn't want to live like this.
Just wild speculation as usual...
"And then one day, your great grandfathers showed up in chariots, and men got rights."
!!!!!!!!!
Euro Neolithic is the product of the unloved prodigal son. Might explain a few things.
"we have been here before, we will be here again, the great wheel"
Indo-European man.
3000~?
So what? even if isn't fabrication made up to back up feminist agenda, where Çatalhöyük and Neoilithic cultures are now? they, even if what its said true, were evolutionary dead-end. It's so pathetic seeing how feminists try to find any historical precident for Girlpower(tm)
Cope haha
I don't need. Farmers has fallen, billions must live in patriarchy
>Cope h-ACK
Is this shit real? or is it a feminist agenda? I mean, why then were Neolithic Europeans patriarchal, patrilineal and even patrifocal? a change out of nowhere? for no apparent reason? does not make sense. and in fact even the fricking WHG were patriarchal. so why would ANF be matriarchal?
They have all kinds of haplogroups - G2a, H2, T1, J2, C1a2, none dominates.
>out of nowhere
More hostile environment. They were forced to become more patriarchal to survive.
>WHG were patriarchal
Maybe some groups, probably not all of them. Mesolithics tend to have more diverse haplogroups.
Civilization=matriarchal
Not just civilization my dear little chuddie.
Why do Women always win
men are too horny
While being a little bit more accepting towards women as all steppe societies are compared to farmbugs overall Scythians and sarmatians were still predominantly patriarchal.
No. They were semi-matriarchal
And i can prove it
>Not just civilization my dear little chu-ACK
both false. Men can beat women in both civilization and wild
No
What now? What we Gonna do
Idk
nice
very nice
now let's see the Hermaphrodite Cults
Why?
ANF bros?????
in Neolithic Younger women help with household chores and take care of children, but they do not have as much power as mothers. The social position of women varies according to their age, knowledge and professional skills
And? Irrelevant post
you idiot? The women in the study are all under 40 and it doesn't make much sense that they were these matriarchal queens
Because over time, societies began to change. Customs changed and men began to have more rights than women. Laws were changed to allow men to have access to the same rights as women in various aspects of life, such as work, education and land ownership. As a result, there were also changes in families where separated fathers or single mothers became more common...
Ancient DNA kind of makes everything less magical. I remember reading about Catalhoyuk in my archeology book. I bet Jericho also wasn't special and people who lived there just looked like typical Levantine PPN guys.
makes sense..
civilization = socialization.
social intelligence is an important factor too, as women are better at understanding and dealing with the group. This can be an advantage in socialization
Black person, socialization is not always about empathy, but also about hierarchy and assetivness
Yes. but socialization is the basis whether you want it or not
This can be an advantage when communicating with other people, but it can also cause some problems if they don't know how to deal with their feelings or if they have difficulty trusting other people.
Dna wins Boomer haha
Ok who said this? Feminists?
No. See here
They aren't feminist but it is strange as frick
>doooooooood they had a heccin GODDESS
So did the people of Athens you knuckle dragging Cretan.
>but muh burials
They might* have been more relatively egalitarian than others. But there is literally no evidence to suggest EEFs were matriarchal in any way.
Medieval Europe was absolutely more egalitarian than medieval India but no one would ever call it anything but patriarchal.
Because humans are biologically a male dominant species regardless of lifestyle
read the stupid abstract
1. The study talks about NF and EEF
2. be more egalitarian in what sense? It is very variable. Medieval Europe is not a good example. they were proto-feminists in certain things
3. It's not just about burials but about women in positions of power
4. If we are a male species, why has patriarchy been declining since the classical period? Why then are queens so influential?
>has patriarchy been declining since the classical period?
2nd century Rome was far more matriarchal than for example 7th century Europe. Tf are you even talking about.
>Why then are queens so influential?
queens were always less influential than Kings.
Wrong
The medieval europea was more matriarchal. And abou the queens.. not necessarily check-out the le Isabela la pendeja
EEF society was predominantly matriarchal. Women were responsible for taking care of the family and everything related to it, while men were more focused on military and political issues.
It's not hard to imagine
In agriculture, women are responsible for tending the fields and planting crops to feed the entire population.
so/uterus/harvest/feminine goddess
EEF logic
It wasn't. EEF are Early European Farmers. The study even compares European farmers and Catalhoyuk farmers. EEF were patrilocal.
EEF lost. European farmers were raped into extinction by the Asian invaders.
I read the abstract and I'm confused =/
I mean, is the argument that they were more feminine because of larger female main tombs with goddesses? and that? but isn't it the same shit that the needy old woman from Lithuania said? This is not how we exactly determine the social structure of a people. At the beginning of the IE studies we thought that the prevalence of several male tombs was not enough to determine their society 100%, then the genetic studies came in 2015 and proved this. ok, the study only focused on ek tombs and on an elite woman?
Cum! Which one of you read the study?? Go read this shit and then come talk shit.
They believed that they had a connection with the divine and were capable of doing things that men could not. Women were present in all areas of society and held many political and military positions, and were also highly respected for their magical powers
sorry
I meant non-military
Feminist sameflag
Sources? My ass
don't make me humiliate you
Yes, another interesting thing about Neolithic female figurines was that they were made from natural materials like stone or clay. This means that they were trying to portray femininity in the most natural way possible and using the resources available in the region to create these sculptures. Furthermore, they often had very detailed feminine features, such as thick lips or voluminous breasts. In general, female statues from this period showed a very romantic and sensitive view of women in relation to motherhood and love between couples.
Gonna read this paper when I have some time. Thanks, OP.
ANF lost
This dumb b***h has more evidence to back up her claims than Graham Hanwiener does, but she forgot to say that the relative lack of evidence that supports her theories also proves her theories.
They're both moronic and should be stripped of their ability to make claims in public.
>They're both moronic and should be stripped of their ability to make claims in public.
Marija Gimbutas has been dead for 30 years bro
The clearest evidence that women were matriarchal in the Neolithic is the importance of motherhood in society. As I said before, many of the female statues from this period show mothers with children or pregnant women in their arms. This means that they were seen as important and protective figures within the family and the larger social group in which they lived. Furthermore, ancient people used to give great importance to agriculture, as it was an essential activity for the sustenance of individuals and families in the natural conditions where they lived. If you think about it for a moment, it becomes clear that those who took best care of the fields would be the ones who would also dedicate themselves to caring for their offspring.
>It depicts a naked woman sitting between arms with a feline head. Generally considered to represent a fertile Mother Goddess in the process of giving birth, some scholars now suggest that such figurines (found in large numbers at Çatalhöyük) may represent elderly women who rose to prominence and achieved status at Çatalhöyük. The sculpture is on display at the Museum of Anatolian Civilizations in Ankara, Turkey
They were matriarchal lol old women represent a certain class of power in their society.
and it seems that women had a prestige as high if not greater than men... this woman seems to be in charge of things.
Why there are so many simps? Why men can't protect their class interests?
tldr
No.
I can not read
>N-ACK
Answer me
>Answer m-ACK
Hahahaha what happened?? Hahah