Name one empire or civilisation that was atheist from start to finish.
You can't. Atheism is only able to exist when people are exposed to excessive comfort and luxury within civilisation. It's a mental illness. And atheists self medicate with escapism, hedonism, consumerism and self harm in the form of tattoos, piercings, casual sex, alcohol, drugs and porn.
USSR
Currently China
Technically but even then you have Stalin rehabilitating the Orthodox Church during the war and restrictions were loosened even more under Brezhnev and ofc Gorbachev. It was state atheist for its entire existence but it ultimately didn't have that much success eradicating religion and had given up trying after a certain point in the Lenin era. Hoxha is the only one who ever succeeded.
Hoxha only succeeded because communists cast themselves as nationalists trying to save the nation from foreign interference. Even then, it took some serious repression to stop open worship, in particular among Catholics and Bektashis. Secret worship never really stopped.
The USSR was massively Orthodox.
I hope you’re joking
Nearly all of the Eastern Orthodox Churches have jurisdiction within ex-USSR countries. The Russian and Ukrainian being the biggest.
>atheists only exist in prosperous societies and are having fun
Like a parasite. Incapable of sustaining yourself, you grow fat off the properity of others.
Why yes! How could you tell?
western civilisation is secular at the very least.
On principle and paper, but in practice, not necessarily.
Just because atheists don't believe in your divine lollipop, it doesn't make them mentally ill, but perhaps your obsession with our ‘excessive comfort’ raises a few questions about your own mental health. You call atheists self-medicators, yet you're the one suffering from the illusion that belief in the divine is superior to disbelief. How tragic!
Why is it mental illness not to believe in gods?
You see, if you'd read the whole OP I actually explain that.
You never did. You just said [people I don't like] are ill, and they self-medicate [with things I don't like]. Where's the correlation between not believing in gods and being mentally ill?
>Where's the correlation between not believing in gods and being mentally ill?
Atheists kill themselves twice as much as religious people do.
So? Why are all of them mentally ill because a small handful decide to end their life?
>So?
So they're mentally ill. 1+1 = 2.
How does that make them mentally ill? If I find a group that has a lower suicide rate than religious people would you immediately concede that religious people are mentally ill, or why are you using that as a metric?
>How does that make them mentally ill?
How does killing yourself literally 200% more than religious people make you mentally ill? It just does.
>How does killing yourself literally 200% more than religious people make you mentally ill?
Earlier you said "twice as much", which would be 100% more
>It just does.
Why?
I thought this would be obvious but suicide is to end suffering and if you’re religious that would mean you go to hell, so obviously it’s not a solution to your pain.
You would have to prove Christians have less suicidal ideation.
I’m not religious, I’m enjoying life and alive, you’re angrily posting about people you hate on IQfy
>You would have to prove Christians have less suicidal ideation.
Ok, prove slavery wasn't a choice.
Anon this is actually studied and I know the answer but I think it would be good for you to be wrong about something and find that out by reading a study on it
Christians don’t have less suicidal ideation. Even if you were right, which you aren’t that wouldn’t mean all atheists are mentally ill or even most.
>Anon this is actually studied and I know the answer but I think it would be good for you to be wrong about something and find that out by reading a study on it
In other words, you're making shit up.
The results are that you’re basically mistaking having a support community for the supernatural, if you have a support community you have no higher suicidal ideation than a religious person.
>The Canadian Community Health survey (n=36,984 adults) is the largest study we identified addressing this question. Religious service attendance (dichotomized at never versus once a year or more) decreased past-year suicidal ideation after adjusting for sociodemographic factors (OR .64, CI .53-.77), but not when adding social support to the model (OR .68, CI .45–1.03). (Rasic, Belik et al. 2009) The sample size adds credibility to the finding, but the dichotomized religion scale limits the information conveyed.
And that's more indicative of mental illness than hearing voices telling you that a 600-year-old man built a floating zoo because of something a talking snake told a rib dirt woman because?
Obviously, they don't worry about being tortured in magic lava forever
Soviet Union
Greek and Roman elite were usually skeptics or platonists (until they converted and collapsed)
American elite were deists
Religion is a bunch of fairytales to fool the masses while the elite are more spiritual or atheistic. It's the natural way of things
>Today I will own the fedoras by pointing out that only illiterate and malnourished morons are theists
I hope you crusty kang spammers realise that your pathetic politics are the final nail in the coffin of christianity.
As a former Christian I’ll let you in a secret. Having a gf you sleep with and cuddle is better than church will ever be. You’re really missing out.
atheism gives women the ick
Religion and theology doesn’t come up chief. No one cares about that shit except for weird nerds aside from women pointing out being against birth control and against even early abortion is a huge turn off. You’re not getting a gf as a virgin in his 20’s and 30’s lmao
>he's in his 20s and still hasn't gotten married
ngmi
If you want to sign a contract that can only frick you over and offers zero benefit as a man, go ahead.
You’re not married, neither are most “Christians” here
The comfort and luxury of modern life has allowed atheists the gumption to be more vocal about atheism, but in reality, it is intellectualism that de-converts people. Most atheists, historically, were closeted and still professed a belief in God because openly denying God meant you were going to have your tongue cut out or be burned at the stake.
Humans are born with an innate connection to God, and all atheists are larping. They would be burned at the stake because the kind of person who would deny God is clearly a cancer to society.
>because the kind of person who would deny God is clearly a cancer to society.
Why?
What do you mean "Why"? It's a straightfoward observation.
You think the phrase "I don't think gods exist" should be enough to warrant an incredibly painful execution of a person?
But you know God exists, so right off the bat you're a pathological liar.
But I don't, because to me that's not an innate feeling and there is no proof of it. It's just one of many different religions and it's no more real to me than Zeus or Odin is to you.
It is an innate feeling and you're lying. At a bare minimum you should be exiled.
>It is an innate feeling and you're lying.
Not to me.
>At a bare minimum you should be exiled.
Why so hateful? Your tone is that of a bitter, angry person. I thought Christians were supposed to be nice?
>Not to me
It is to you, and you're still a pathological liar.
>Why so hateful?
Because tolerance is the absence of virtue.
>I thought Christians were supposed to be nice?
Executing you is the nice choice, given that you're a blight on civilization. The mean thing to do would be to exile you somewhere else to be an immoral subversive parasite on their society instead.
>It is to you, and you're still a pathological liar.
Something just hit me. Since the knowledge of Zeus is innate to all humans and you refuse to acknowledge him that makes you the pathological liar.
You're further proving my point, if humans did not have an innate connection to God, the very concept of Zeus would not exist.
>If humans make up some imaginary moronic concept, that’s proof that it actually exists
Many east Asian religions do not have a conception of God. I'm thinking of Confucianism and Shintoism particularly, although it can be argued that Buddhism is inherently atheistic.
So, no, humans are not born with an innate connection to God.
He's just going to call you a liar, he ran out of arguments earlier in the thread so he switched up his personality to some hardcore zealous tough guy instead.
>self harm in the form of tattoos, piercings, casual sex, alcohol, drugs and porn.
And those are bad, because?
You people act like God is gonna chuck a lightning bolt at the "sinners" and make the stock market crash, then get mad when the apocalypse invariably doesn't happen
>why are alcohol, drugs, porn and casual sex bad?
are you moronic? because they ruin your brain, productivity or kill you (casual sex means higher chance of STD which leads to the former), which in turn lead out to produce defective offspring and ruin society, so maybe OP is right and that's why hedonism and atheism as a whole lead to collapse, but maybe it's just too early in the morning
Isolation, anger and adult virginity easily have worse cognitive, psychological and physical effects than moderate drinking and safe casual sex.
I’m not sure why this needs to be said but Christians oppose sex even in a committed relationship that’s not a marriage.
It’s not either straightedge ascetic or no holds barred hedonism, you people are genuine histrionics.
All online religious larpers, whether it's christianity, islam or whatever, are the same way: hugely obsessed with minutiae from obscure ancient texts from hundreds of years ago, while having zero connection with the irl living religious community
That sounds like unironic autism
you went with the moderate version of some of these descriptions and completely ignored others, lol
>KILL MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO DONT BELIEVE IN MY IMAGINARY FRIEND
This is mental illness. There’s no god, cope, seethe dilate etc. grow up when you die it’s eternal void and nothing you can do about it
>God is real because I feel like he’s real
>I’m a woman because I feel like I’m a woman
Even further proving the point; 0% of trannies
"feel like they're the opposite sex" because they have no idea what it feels like to be the opposite sex, just like 0% of atheists know what it feels like to lack a connection to God, it's all just a gay larp.
Democratic Kampuchea
You make it sound like that even under these conditions that Christians don't luxuriate in their own opulence. Of course they do.
These problems aren't simply atheist problems. They're problems that arise from capitalism.
So, are you necessarily anti-capitlaism. Even under your premise of it being an atheist problem, it's still one that arise from luxury from civilization. Brought about by capitalism.
As religion in America declines, why has Christian apologetics become more and more deranged and irrational? Most of the time people here aren't even really arguing for Christianity, it's just whining about straw men atheists from 2010.
They’re getting desperate and the shock of them declining in popularity is really driving them insane.
The obsession with atheism doesn’t even make sense, atheists are the smallest portion of non-religious people.
Define "atheist". Also it's silly you assume all rulers were 100% genuine believers.
>Define "atheist".
No. Read a dictionary, pseud.
>Atheism is only able to exist when people are exposed to excessive comfort and luxury within civilisation.
>Atheism only exists at the peak stages of development
Thanks?
>Atheism is only able to exist when people are exposed to excessive comfort and luxury within civilisation.
It's because thanks to civilization people have time to study and figure out how nature works without relying on nonsense magical explanations. A thunderstorm isn't an old man in the sky getting angry and throwing shit around lol
Atheists like the piraha people don’t create civilizations because they realize civilization is a disease.