systemD is replacing sudo with run0.
Right now npcs are saying no, it will not replace sudo. Sudo is an entirely independent function.
Soon NPCs will say run0 is better than sudo so there is no use for it anyway.
And then NPCs will say so what run0 replaced sudo, it was useless and it is a good thing.
You can screencap this post.
https://outpost.fosspost.org/d/19-systemd-wants-to-expand-to-include-a-sudo-replacement
https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/1dflr0u/will_arch_still_keep_using_systemd_after_this/
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1cgjaqg/systemd_wants_to_expand_to_include_a_sudo/
pic semi-related.
Why wasn't sudo simply replaced by doas?
No corporate backing.
SystemD is backed by microsoft. All systemD developers are formal employees of microsoft. Don't get confused, this is all planned sabotage against Linux.
You get what you pay for.
literally no reason to
ok, enjoy run0 then lmao
don't think i will
i already install my debian machines with sysvinit and remove junk
at home i don't use sudo either, just login to separate vt
at work i don't have to change anything, sudo will continue to work as it always has
Because doas is too good. Linuxtards have to make everything hard for no reason.
Problem is soon they will remove sudo. So you and I will not be able to keep using it.
they will remove sudo from arch repositories?
They will make it not installable on Arch.
You can screencap this post as well.
I mean you redditors forget things easily.
See OP pic. They are describing you.
>I mean you redditors forget things easily.
you are literally parroting a bunch of Black folk and pajeets from youtube who have thousands of upvotes, how are you in any position to call me a redditor? have a nice day you worthless homosexual
hellooooo reddit
>They will make it not installable on Arch.
and how would they do that you insufferable moron? how are they going to prevent me from compiling it, pray tell?
You will soon find that out. SystemD controls everything after kernel loads on the device. You cannot lift a finger without it approving of it.
name one (1) package that systemd vindictively made impossible to install
Musl.
How does it feel to be a moron that doesn't know how computer works?
The init has no way in what the kernel can execute, it can ask to be a layer in between with stuff like binfmt but it stops there and would be slow and easy to disable anyway.
We're not talking about an init system, we are talking about systemd which contains systemd-init, a tiny piece of the systemd.
systemd is responsible for just about everything these days, and it's very hard to only use pieces of it as everything is interdependent and anything externally expects the d, so it isn't easy to removing the d without removing the system, as it is by Microshaft's design (Embrace, Extend, Extinguish)
Disable setuid in filesystem kernel module.
Then you can install sudo but it wont work unless you recompile the kernel.
>they
If you have internet-brainrot-paranoia about systemd, but you still use a systemd distro, you deserve everything that happens to you. Say goodbye to sudo, moron
It's not paranoia, Poettering literally not only admits, but trumpets the fact that his goal is to take the Unix out of Linux and make it into something... else.
If you want to pretend it's just schizos, well, it makes you look like a moron. Next time maybe tell Poettering-2.0 to shut his mouth and not admit this stuff, it's too late NOW though.
>Problem is soon they will remove sudo.
not going to happen, dumb c**t.
> iq: 0
amazing.
>whines over a problem
>rejects every solution
Frick you whiny b***h.
negative IQ gay, have a nice day
thanks for bumping
installing void rn fr
>udev
>logind
>blm
cringe
>cringe
It's you, homosexual.
That'd be the trannies that took over void.
udev is not Poetteringware.
>udev
useful but also optional
>logind
optional
>blm
useless
void is based. you don't have to use udev or logind or any other troonyware. you don't have to care about blm if you don't want to, void isn't going to preinstall a motd about blm for you.
laughing at every moron sysadmin that has to learn javascript and xml to configure their simple privilege escalation tool
lmao
alias sudo='run0'
People can't say that they don't know something. Even though you're not competing with them or rubbing something in their face, it's like they're allergic to talking about something unknown and important to them.
>yeah yeah I know that
*quickly changes topic*
sudo is kinda bad. OpenBSD already replaced it. (And sudo's maintainer is an OpenBSD contributor!)
setuid in general is terrible, he's right about that. (Remember the pkexec argv bug?)
I don't really like that this spins up a new PTY but I don't see a better way to do it.
Maybe some distros will end up getting rid of sudo in the default setup but it's never going to be more than an apt install (pacman -S, whatever) away. Unlike your init system it's application level software, it has no trouble coexisting with other implementations of the same functionality. Chances are that you already have a couple of alternatives installed.
>setuid in general is terrible
>complex daemon with javascript rules and xml policies running as root is better
show me one person who has ever configured polkit beyond the few example setups shipped with distros
the correct solution would be to never allow elevation of privileges, only dropping them
privileged access from lower security level should never be allowed
this shit has been known since the 70s (bell-lapadula, biba) but still Black folk insist on elevating privileges
run0 does not elevate privileges in the traditional meaning. It is the equivalent of sshing in as root from an unprivileged user.
being able to perform actions with elevated privileges is elevating privileges even if it starts another pty and process
sshing to root from your user would also be elevating privileges and should not be allowed
lower process should not be in control of a higher one
the concept of gaining higher privileges is a fundamentally broken concept and this has been known for 50 years
logging in with your password already elevates your privileges. how do you propose we fix that?
on process level it lowers the privileges from root login program to user privileges
yeah and on a process level with run0 not a single thing happens, it's just proxying a socket
it's like you didn't read any of my previous responses
run0 chmod u+s /usr/bin/bash
alias sudo=run0
/thread
su -
>2024
>using systemd
Why did Lennart Poettering put Wayland as the default in devuan 5? Is he moron?
You will adopt new software and you will like it
nvm i made a mistake, misread something
Whatever. The only thing I use sudo for are the fricking AUR wrappers.
For everything else I just run su.
More related discussion that's not on redshit:
https://programming.dev/post/13446517
^this one has some good comments
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40205714
https://lobste.rs/s/umijeb/run0
https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/15431565
i just don't know why i should care about this, systemd seems to be a new level of sbtraction like kubernetes is and i love kubernetes.
sudo id;doas id
Error: Sudo was intended to let the secretary
restart your shitty app on the weekend.
Error: Doas was intended to let the secretary
restart your shitty app on the weekend.
sudo is just lazy. If you don't trust someone with the root password they should not be executing things as root. Also if you dont use su and a root password then I can phish you to execute commands. Worse, if you enable passwordless sudo sudo -n id then I can get you to run a script that will reconfigure your system based on my desires.
Good point. I say frick em, sudo, doas, run0 for no one, and su access only from my personal user account. Everything is in a container these days anyway, if you are the database admin, you get root access to the database container, no sudo bullshit necessary
thats stupid, some applications you would want people to use and some you wont. you dont have to give a user all priviledges, you can specify exactly what software they can run as root. like package management, without giving the option to change system text files or whatever
anything but su is not secure.
su is still insecure
just log in to the root user on a separate tty
return to unix, use a BSD. Linux will only get worse, you will resist, you will lose
>Or as I like to call it, SystemD + GNU/Linux.
Poettering looking fly
He's mocking you and you fell for it lol
There is something wrong with his face
He's just German
he looks both old and young at the same time, like a fusion of himself at 16 and of himself at 45
>systemD is replacing sudo with run0.
Finally
>NPC tell us what other NPC's think
idk about run0 or doas what's make them better or worse than sudo, because i didn't actually read the code.
you see there is no other way to know unless you are repeating what other NPC's say that literally makes you one
don't care. still using runit and doas.
dinit > runit
it wasn't until covid that I fully believed the NPC meme. specifically, they said at the start that the vaccine would prevent you from getting the virus. then when it didn't do that, the new line was "the vaccine doesn't prevent infection but lessens symptoms". and everyone fricking bought it. and started parroting it. and saying "they never said it would prevent infection!" it drove me fricking insane.
excuse my rambling but your OP just reminded me of this.
systemd WON. it's been over 10 years
I think I'm actually going to switch to Windows if that happens
Aren't they just changing the way sudo works rather than replace it?
sudo uses SetUID to run stuff as root and systemd wants to make it so sudo asks systemd to run something as root instead, isn't it?
It's essentially systemd taking custody over yet another thing but I wouldn't say it's replacing anything.
sysyemd needs more attack surface for NSA to work with
its weird im kind of starting to think i shouldnt allow any systemd code to be running as root
I really like systemd but for personal stuff nty
why are you using systemd then you Black person? I swear you people are the most moronic gays on earth
Boggles my mind why some distros even use it. They don't use half the services so it's a dumpster fire of redundant features
/g/edditors are immense larping homosexuals, there's really no end to it
I don't have a choice on arch
Yes you do. You can fully remove it or switch to artix
The archisraelites love that red tipping, soon they'll get the whole shaft.
Why did arch switched to systemd in the first place ?
And most distro in general ?
Systemd is nice if you're not a schizo
It justwerks (sortof)
They had to.
>Why did arch switched to systemd in the first place ?
It just did, just like they removed their first installed all of a sudden.
These gays cut their dicks off. Of course they're gonna fall for this shit.
I don't have sudo, system, or doas installed
I just su to root
I hope poettering gets cancer and dies asap
That's ok only if it's sub 500 line program, most people just use sudo just to run shit like root when they know the root pass already.
But knowing the systemd gays they will probably make the most convoluted shit known to man
It uses polkit. I just knew that they have to do it in the most moronic way possible.
Uhm Artixchads?
Pic very related.
lol perfect!
It is amazing how some people saw all this coming and morons here are still defending it.
gays will defend anything as long as it's the new way to do things, even if it's just the same as the old way or even worse
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/32757
All the marketing bullshit just because they don't want to admit that they want sudo but made by them and installed on every linux system. Wonder how many backdoors are there in systemd per line of code.
First Miguel de Icaza of Microsoft sabotages Linux by creating Gnome and slow rolling fixes and upgrades and being so big of a project that it discourages anyone from creating an alternative with fixes unless you have multiple devs and thousands of dollars behind it.
Now Lucas Boccassi of Microsoft further sabotages Linux with systemmd.
Why are Linux bros so gullible and keep falling for Microsoft's attempts to sabotage Linux? I thought Linux users were supposed to be smarter than iToddlers and Microshills.
>will have to translate /etc/sudoers to polkit rules
kek, even freebsd trannies deliver better software