2000 years and not a single attempt to break off from foreign rule?

2000 years and not a single attempt to break off from foreign rule?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Truly the China of Africa.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They collapsed 3000 years ago like all the other civilization in the area. The Kushites, Semites and Indo-Europeans cosplaying as the Ancient Egyptians who hated them are just rats in ruins.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Indo europeans?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Greek pretenders

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well, even pre greek egyptians had IE R1b elites.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Low res sample and Pre-Aryan R1B doe.

            There was the Great Revolt against the Ptolemies, they eventually lost but it seriously undermined the dynasty. Everyone knows that revolting against Rome/Byzantium is a fool's errand and you just try to install a usurper instead.
            And a fair amount of the Arab dynasties were locally based, I don't think people cared that much about being ruled by "foreigners" when the foreigners in question were based in Fustat/Cairo and learned the local language

            One forgets that most of europe was ruled by foreigners for a great deal of its history.

            https://i.imgur.com/QRQam7q.jpeg

            2000 years and not a single attempt to break off from foreign rule?

            After certain point the medieval arba dynasties were not very foreign.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Low res sample and Pre-Aryan R1B doe.
            Actually Bell Beaker high res samples.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The Kushites, Semites and Indo-Europeans cosplaying as the Ancient Egyptians who hated them
      They didn't really hate them like you try to imply.

      >rats in ruins.
      Egypt was still extremely important.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >They didn't really hate them like you try to imply.
        They hated them all especially the Asiatic mind parasite carrying hordes. Why do you think the Abrahamic Aryan Alien cult has this hatred for Ancient Egyptians in their holy books?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the Greeks and Italians have 0% aryan blood, how could egyptians suddenly have 100% aryan blood?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Sandal pic on the left was literal propaganda commissioned by a pharaoh to fluff himself up.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is what having to indigenous warrior class does to a society.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What? You mean having no Indigenous warrior class?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Bashmurian[a] revolts (Coptic: Ⲡⲓⲧⲱⲟⲩⲛ Ⲙ̀ⲡⲓϣⲁⲙⲏⲣ; Arabic: ثورة البشموريين) were a series of revolts by the Egyptians in the Bashmur region in the north of the Nile Delta against the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates in the eighth and ninth centuries. Exactly how many revolts there were cannot be determined, but the major military conflicts took place in 749, 767 and 831–832.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    original egyptians were also foreign

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There was the Great Revolt against the Ptolemies, they eventually lost but it seriously undermined the dynasty. Everyone knows that revolting against Rome/Byzantium is a fool's errand and you just try to install a usurper instead.
    And a fair amount of the Arab dynasties were locally based, I don't think people cared that much about being ruled by "foreigners" when the foreigners in question were based in Fustat/Cairo and learned the local language

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They rebelled multiple times dumbass

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. Egypt is actually extremely difficult to keep docile. If anything it’s easier to count the times Egypt *didn’t* try to buck whoever had conquered them.
      >Fell to Persia
      Rebelled numerous times. Ultimately backed Alexander to frick the Achaemenids.
      >Ptolemies
      Rebelled against the Greeks as other anon mentioned. Even when they lost still flourished under the Ptolemies enough to have the Macedonians in Alexandria larp as them.
      >Rise of Rome
      Backed Antony in a power move to avoid subjugation and perhaps steal some of what Rome had built. Lost, but did try.
      >Pax Romana & Byzantine era
      One of the two times I can think of Egypt being docile towards non-independence
      >Islamic Conquest
      Several Christian rebellions. Ultimately the Mamluks revolt and again secure Egypt as an independent power.
      >Ottomans (early)
      The second time I can think of where Egypt didn’t immediately try to buck an invading power. Good policy helped.
      >Ottomans (late)
      Mehmed Ali Pasha manages to bamboozle the Sultan and create a westernized army while the Ottomans are still using Janissaries and levies. Makes Egypt an empire within an empire, nearly conquers fricking Greece at one point.
      >British Condominium (Early)
      Although the Khedives are pretty cozy with the Brits and use them to buck the Ottomans, the people protest and revolt a number of times against Anglo influence. Even under the British thumb take part in conquering all of the Sudan.
      >British Condominium (late)
      The Kings were so unpopular for openly bootlicking London that it led decisively to the Military coup and Modern (independent) Egypt.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How many of those independent Egyptian states were actually native? IIRC, Gamel Abdel Nasser was literally the first native Egyptian to rule the country since the Pharaohs

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Native as in the same people from the old dynasties?
          Only before Alexander. The Pharaohs and Satraps who revolted against the Achaemenids were as Egyptian as it gets. And it was Persia that started the policy of larping as Egyptian when you conquered Egypt. Legally the Shahanshahs were “Pharaohs” of the “27th Dynasty” but the Egyptians largely didn’t buy the act.
          That said bulk of almost every Egyptian administration and most nomarchs / regional leaders were indeed native Egyptian until the Arab conquest though. And then it’s my understanding they regained relevance under the Mamluks, but had to share space with the ten bajillion Arabs who’d settled. And of course if you were unlucky enough not to be Muslim you were disenfranchised.
          By the time of the Ottomans, other than the Copts, it gets pretty hard to identify who even is a “true Egyptian” after centuries of larping as Arabs while the local Arabs also larped as Egyptians.

          So ultimately you’ve got 4 levels of ‘Egyptianness’ at work:
          Model 1: Egyptian government, Egyptian Pharaoh
          >See most of the old dynasties and every revolt prior to Alexander
          Model 2: Egyptian Government, foreigner larping as Pharaoh
          >The most common. Hyksos, Nubians, Persia, Alexander, Ptolemies, Rome, all had primarily native governments and governors. If you’re not obsessed with Haplogroups the Turkish Mamluks and the Albanian Mehmed Ali and his Khedivate fit here too.
          Model 3: What even is an Egyptian anymore?
          >For your purposes, anything after the Mamluks is dubiously Egyptian. Centuries of Islamic influence and intermixing with Arabs has made your average ‘Egyptian’ someone you likely wouldn’t consider Egyptian.
          Model 4: Frick the Egyptians, total disenfranchisement
          >Very rare and works very poorly. Examples would be the brief Mesopotamian successes in invading and the Seleucids when they encroached. The main ones were the Umayyads, who boxed out the Egyptians and Greeks. It didn’t last.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >other than the Copts
            Copts aren't exactly Egyptians by your logic though. Equally Arabized, can't speak Coptic worth a lick and worship a foreign faith and the same separation from their ancestral faith as Muslim Egyptians have.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And they have foreign admixture too like all Egyptians have because Egyot was ALWAYS a nexus of trade and movement between the two continent for countless ages.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            For what it’s worth I was just trying to accommodate that anon’s question by his measure. It’s fast and loose for the sake of conversation.

            And they have foreign admixture too like all Egyptians have because Egyot was ALWAYS a nexus of trade and movement between the two continent for countless ages.

            This is the right of it. The people looking for some ‘Egyptian Race’ are on a goose chase. Which is why the notion in OP that “Egypt hasn’t attempted to break away from foreign rule in 2000 years” is moronic. You can tell the premise is approaching from a place of race because it’s the only frame in which Anon wouldn’t have answered his own question immediately.
            If you don’t come at it from the position of race, Egypt if anything is clearly more prone to revolt against foreign rule than its neighbors and peers.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2000 years
    They were ruled since BCE times starting from 450 BC

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Egypt's distinct native religion and culture become assimilated. It began with the Greeks merging their cult with native Egyptian's then Romans came and people from all over the empire moved in, Christianity then showed up.
    Arabs and Islam was the final blow in the coffin

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yet in some ways Egypt assimilates its assimilators. Every invader before the Arabs gradually went native. Egypt is up there with China, Greece, and Persia as one of those societies whose conquerors tend to start imitating them.
      And the power of that cultural legacy is so strong that many modern Egyptians look down on other Arabs and see themselves as superior because ‘muh pyramids’.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        frick off Chang no one wants to be associated with you

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What in the frick makes you think I’m Chinese?
          I’m just discussing the Kublai Khan style “Oh nevermind fellow bugmen I had the mandate of heaven all along” phenomenon that happens basically every time someone conquered premodern China.
          The exceptions were the Western Powers and Japan during the humiliation, who rightly wanted no part of what by then was an incredibly disfunctional, backwards culture.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >mobilize greek colonists to fight the seleucids
    >btfos them
    >egypt*ans starts a rebelion as soon as he is away and he has to come back without consolidating any territory
    Many such cases

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah bro they just never rose up in 2000 years dawg the haplogroups told me

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >foreign rule

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If the Arab invasions never happened, would Egypt have still remained as a Byzantine province or would it have taken the opportunity to revolt since the Romans were at their weakest after their war with the Sassanids?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >taken the opportunity to revolt since the Romans were at their weakest after their war with the Sassanids?
      This. The thuggish abuses of the Byzantine emperors, combined with the theological differences between the Christianity that took hold in Egypt and the Christianity in Greece, would have resulted in Egypt trying to carve itself off from the Byzantine Empire whenever it could.

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