>a rapist, a murderer is far more likely to end up enlightened than monks or most other aspirants

>a rapist, a murderer is far more likely to end up enlightened than monks or most other aspirants
How do Buddhists and Hindus cope with this?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They don’t because they aren’t

    [...]

    Go back

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There are many books associated with UG. I am paraphrasing more of else something he said in an interview

      Explain how and/or why. If you make a claim so removed from the consensus you need to back It up.

      Rapists, murders, reprobates sense of “reality” is hanging on by a thread. They’re able to act in a way that goes beyond morality. They act as if thought and the whole culture (which is what the mind is which is the totality) has little effect on their behavior. Compare that to the common person where their behavior is completely choked by thought, by morality, whether this is good or bad, right or wrong. The monk and other aspirants have ideas about what enlightenment is, they practice, meditate and so on. They exist within a conceptual realm of what enlightenment is, but enlightenment is nothing, and as long as you’re doing something to get to the “enlightenment”—falsely perceiving it as something to achieve rather than something that already there then you are a disadvantage. The crazies don’t have this problem for they are close to throwing the whole ship, and far closely than any monk.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No bait. If you think enlightenment has anything to do with virtue, morals or some practice then you are wrong. And if you have an idea of what an enlightened man is you are also wrong and so is everyone you’ve read who has told you otherwise

        What you said is complete horseshit except the nothing part

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          This

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            What you said is complete horseshit except the nothing part

            It’s an extreme example he made, but one where there’s some truth. The mad man’s sense of “reality” is already disfigured and weakened. For enlightenment to happen that “reality” must be gone. You’re not going to achieve that by crossing your legs and meditating for hours. That’s still a self-centered activity, which perpetuates the whole mechanism. The monk meditates, pursuing the highest pleasure to man: Enlightenment. The monk is only making his situation more sordid and complicated by partaking in all the practices, reading scriptures etc. it’s funny because if they were reality enlightened they would burn their robes and never have anything to do with that again

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm so close to getting radicalized

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Even the nothing part is horseshit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I need to identify this type of callous dishonesty more often. Going to name it is as "pulling a joker on someone." Congratulations, you just pulled a joker on me. It is the new chic term which is surely going to catch on in more refined intellectual circles than online lit forums

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How am I "pulling a joker" on you?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because I'm paranoid and think everyone is out of to get me most of the time. I probably have some undiagnosed personality disorder

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >more books
            This is why you Buddhists are not serious at all

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >a guy who does whatever he wants is more ready for englightenment than a guy who considers the morality and consequences of his actions
        ???

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >thinks enlightenment is caring about reforming the world
          An enlightened person realizes humans are beyond saving

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            so it's just antinatalism then?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anything you do to “reform” or “revolutionize” the world to “save” it. is just re-shuffling of the value system, you are grabbing from the same source. The source is the problem and there’s no way to stop it. The mind will win in the end. The only thing that will bring the human race ostensibly together is not brotherhood, but the potential of self-annihilation, but even then it might be too late.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            so it's just antinatalism then?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No. Thought he will most likely not be able to have sex as lust be will completely eradicated from him. The behavior of an enlightened person is unpredictable, but since his “self” is no longer in tact will say he has no self to protect. What he does is done quick, swiftly, like a computer, without the neurotic interference of thought

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't get it, so you're saying he'd cut through the patterns of society and morals to see the real pattern and then immediately act on and follow that pattern without thinking, there are plenty of people in the street doing exactly that right now

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            After his calamity aka enlightenment UG never had sex again. Doesn’t mean he took an anti-natalist position. And no a homeless person and for example are not comparable. It’s not a thoughtless state, it’s one where thought no longer chokes the human organism and the body’s natural intelligence takes over and that intelligence is extraordinary

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            what did the enlightenment do to him? what mysterious hidden path did it make him follow? I dont really know about him but it looks like he just publishes books and goes on walks

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It allowed him to live in the natural state. If you’re asking or wondering if it gave him special abilities no it didn’t since once you’re there it’s incredibly ordinary. Getting what he got is imo worth it for it’s that remarkable. This is why I call him the final boss.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's just an old guy chilling outside, you can see them everywhere

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You’re right. Nothing special. Ordinary. But remarkably ordinary from the outlook, it’s his inner state for lack of a better word that is the extraordinary part

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            He was also 49, I don't know how much sex there was left for him to have. There's a reason people have midlife crisis and one of them is that your body dissolves

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What a fricking cuck lmao

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Controlling your lust or being free of it completely is the most liberating feeling

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So why are you hating on monks?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They should burn their robes and be done with it all together but they aren’t. They enjoy the identity involved with that and games. Still can’t be themselves

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Isn't that what happens when you liberate yourself of lust and bullcrap mumbo jumbo spiritual people talk of. You wear weird robes and talk really slowly. And the identity you're talking about, isn't that you projecting it on to them? What kind of games are they playing? Nintendo?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nah no chance you can stomach that shit once you’re actually enlightened. That’s why they’re all frauds

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yet your example of enlightment is a guy who sold a book with his fricking face on the cover

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            He wrote nothing and people close to him transcribed his conversations and turned them into books. UG famously said “My teaching, if that is the word you want to use, has no copyright. You are free to reproduce, distribute, interpret, misinterpret, distort, garble, do what you like, even claim authorship, without my consent or the permission of anybody.”

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I just don't see how a cover like this comes into being if that's the case. it seems like enlightment just lead him to self promote his philosphy, but his philosphy is just him laying about and self promoting

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Don’t think ug would care if you put any image on the cover. Doubt he has any opinion on the matter. You’re being pedantic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It seems like it would be important to him that he not be idolized and made a generic figure of worship, especially if we can so far as to say that monks who have given up everything in life to a degree far greater than he ever did aren't legit because they wear specific outfit.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This is the issue. You and monks think enlightenment is more important and more difficult than taking a shit. And giving up your belongings doesn’t do anything

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Then why didn't you make a thread about taking a shit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Enlightenment is something, but it’s useless for the society, but very useful for you the individual

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds more important to me than taking a shit then

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you don’t shit you’d die. You can survive without enlightenment, but your experience of things and life is uhhhh way more boring and problematic. The ego-mind thrives off problems.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            But he just walked around, people already did that and have been doing that for a long time

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I recommend you read up about his life. Then read Mahesh Bhatts book about UG then watch YouTube videos and interview about UG. After that buy a couple more books if you’re interested in understanding him more

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I have a big enough reading list as it is, ideally id love to spend a week going through the work of some random guru but I haven't even understood what problem he solved with his enlightened brain, being old and chilling? clearly you seem to think there is something to be gained by following his teachings but what is that?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You’re looking to gain something. That’s the issue. You must be able to get rid of everything if you’re interested in that stuff. His non-philosophy philosophy is just one of ruthless pragmatic negation. Challenging

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You just said the monks were stupid for getting rid of all their world possessions, what exactly am I supposed to be rid of here?

            Nta but the "problem" he solves is that you're thinking there is a problem to be solved. Why must you solve anything?
            The greatest gift we already have, we just don't know how to receive it, that being experience itself.

            Youre in that very statement posting a problem and a solution. If enlightment solves nothing then why is it so important

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The mind, the “I”

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You just said the monks were stupid for getting rid of all their world possessions, what exactly am I supposed to be rid of here?

            [...]
            Youre in that very statement posting a problem and a solution. If enlightment solves nothing then why is it so important

            Have fun https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVQC_uHRCI

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >picture of an impoverished yogi for added effect
            and yet the industrial first world chugs on , assimilating these lessons as aesthetic artifacts, intentionally taking advantage of the ambiguity of enlightment to tell people, anyone can be enlightened anywhere at anytime doing anything. yet no one thinks hey is there something weird in the dissimilairty between the way i live and the way this man depicted here lives? maybe but we are both still enlightened regardless, and at best he is just there for aesthetic effect

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ramana’s thoughts on how to return the “I” to the source is very helpful. He’s an interesting modern figure

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So you have literally no conception of self? That's seriously what you're telling me?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You asked what to get rid of. I replied “I”. The self or “I” or mind is a myth. Do you disagree? If so why?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            associating my pains and feelings with myself is something that comes from beyond my conscious willingness to do so. it is not something that can be given up, it's fundemental to the logic of your consciousness. maybe in some broad sense it is illusory but no one could go a day without it and if you do, you will become Layne stayley not ug krishna

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >associating my pains and feelings with myself is something that comes from beyond my conscious willingness to do so.
            Ok then why are you here? Why are you even asking questions about this? Enlightenment is not important to you if you want to grasp on to the veil that covers your real face

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah I don't care at all you gatekeeping homosexual, I just spent an hour trying to understand your way of thinking because I literally don't care at all, the possibility that I'm living my life totally wrong and you know how to live it better holds zero interest to me and I only ask questions about your beliefs to TROLL you. GOOD JOB

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I knew you were trolling you were being too pedantic it was obvious

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >If enlightenment solves nothing then why is it so important
            I already said. It’s useless for the society, it would solve any technical problems, but it will fix your bullshit. It’s useful for you if you want to function naturally in a much less neurotic way

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It wouldn’t solve* frick I’m sleepy going to need caffeine in the morning lol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not asking for societal problems, I'm asking for any problems. I think it's worrying that this overarching concept of enlightment that weve associated with all these far reaching metaphysical ideals has now been reduced to an alternative to therapy to make you feel less stressed.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            All your mental illness would be gone. All that neurotic anxiety, worrying about what to do, what is right or wrong in this situation, etc Do you want an answer like that?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't really want that answer as much as it seems like it's probably the only answer an enlightment type guy can produce when asked to really explicate their thoughts. Follow my teachings and you will feel really good.

            I knew you were trolling you were being too pedantic it was obvious

            Obviously being sarcastic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not about feeling good. You need to figure it out if you care so much. But I’m warning you, if you get hooked on it nothing else will matter

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It kind of feels good to keep negating everything until there's nothing left to see if there is something else there. I can understand why it can be addicting

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nta but the "problem" he solves is that you're thinking there is a problem to be solved. Why must you solve anything?
            The greatest gift we already have, we just don't know how to receive it, that being experience itself.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Too lazy to repost these images in this thread that contain information and things he said

            [...]

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Doesn't seem too different from a cover of any other self help book, what's your point?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're so inconsistent lmao in the span of a few messages you sold the guy out. How can I trust you on identifying what a true enlightened person is from a fraud putting on the facade? Does it come with a whim when you're feeling generous someday? Or are there more factors involved which I'm too moronic to understand

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            that was me tho not him

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How am I inconsistent? I said he didn’t write a book, and he didn’t give a frick to. People close to asked him and he said whatever sure. Enlightenment comes on a whim? I guess so. No teaching, no student, no teacher, no method. There you go. “You” can’t make it happen and it doesn’t exist. Does that make sense? Probably not because you’re trying to intellectualize this and it can’t be understood at all. It’s nothing. There you go

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's more like a guy living to 50, realized it's over and then came up with a good scheme to feel important and central to things until he died. can't knock the hustle I guess

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You’re being too rational

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I can squint me eyes and make anything look beautiful and profound

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And monks still have lust. Don’t be fooled by them. If they were free they’d never meditate again

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why is the source corrupt? And I'm already on board with self annihilation way more literally than using it reinforce my self righteous attitude towards everything

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because the source or mind is only interested in its continuity at the expense of everything. Think of the mind as a greedy capitalist. Wants more and more and more. Until there is nothing left. That is the dilemma placed upon the physical human body that has zero interest in the neurotic pleasure seeking of the mind

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Rapists and murderers do exist within the bounds of morality. They do what they do to oppose what they see as moral rights, yet they do not realize that what they themselves do lies within the same ideals of millions of others, who think, act, and live just like them. A man who is enlightened doesn't know that he's enlightened, and he doesn't do anything to be enlightened, for enlightenment is not knowing, but feeling, for knowing is a facade, a fallacy created upon experience and personal emotions. To know what is what, to believe what you see, to act how others act, to perceive yourself as special, to perceive others as special, to think yourself wrong, to think yourself right, to think others wrong or right, to reject or accept rulers, to conform or reject societal norms.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Rapists and murderers do exist within the bounds of morality. They do what they do to oppose what they see as moral rights, yet they do not realize that what they themselves do lies within the same ideals of millions of others, who think, act, and live just like them.
          Ok, but how many people have the ability actually go though the heinous shit they do without second thought? They operate way differently than the average normie and how they deal with emotions. This is why psychopaths fill board roams and CEO positions.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Idk what to say but that's a hell of a way to justify a rapists behaviour. Their morality is excused as long it benefits the camp you're associated with

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Explain how and/or why. If you make a claim so removed from the consensus you need to back It up.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nice bait, would be a shame if I fell for it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No bait. If you think enlightenment has anything to do with virtue, morals or some practice then you are wrong. And if you have an idea of what an enlightened man is you are also wrong and so is everyone you’ve read who has told you otherwise

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    New age Eastern pseudo-wisdom. Just like Osho.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nope try again! He called Indian spirituality all shit and the cause of why it’s so impoverished

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Which is exactly what makes him new age. An arrogant spiritualism dwarfed by the towering achievements of Asian religious culture.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >An arrogant spiritualism dwarfed by the towering achievements of Asian religious culture.
          The achievements of fooling millions into being okay with being poor and disregarding the material world when the material and spiritual are one and the same

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >enlightenment is not knowing, but feeling, for knowing is a facade, a fallacy created upon experience and personal emotions. To know what is what, to believe what you see, to act how others act, to perceive yourself as special, to perceive others as special, to think yourself wrong, to think yourself right, to think others wrong or right, to reject or accept rulers, to conform or reject societal norms.
    Bingo

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >a rapist, a murderer is far more like to end up enlightened
    >How do Buddhists and Hindus cope with this?
    By pooing in loo.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    OP you're quite correct on the monks and their motivations and so on, but what is the point of this thread? You present yourself as quite confrontational while I see no point in being so. People running away from their inner worlds into denial of self have to keep running, you can't make them stop. Maybe in a try or three they'll do it, maybe not, so I just wish them all the best, it might be sad they suffer so much.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >People running away from their inner worlds into denial of self have to keep running, you can't make them stop. Maybe in a try or three they'll do it, maybe not, so I just wish them all the best, it might be sad they suffer so much.
      I was just bored and this place doesn’t know about UG much. Tbf I rate him higher than anyone.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Fair enough.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you call yourself englightned you've already lost. It's the mystique abound jumping around the issue and using clever words until other person is convinced or sort of like nods and agrees lazily

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >If you call yourself englightned you've already lost. It's the mystique abound jumping around the issue and using clever words until other person is convinced or sort of like nods and agrees lazily
      You’re right. Talking about it is silly. But, it can be helpful

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    big thighs

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I must sleep I have to be up soon night. Will reply later

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Monks are welfare queens, the hell do they know about life

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Bruh what is that?

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm going to take a leave because I'll be lying if I say I'm not exhausted from trying to catch all that up. My perception of self is kind of fragile and also fragmented at this point. Going to let involuntary parts of brains faculty take control and let them piece all of it together like a sci Fi movie until I'm not moronic again when I wake up. And I'll read up on the guys mentioned if this thread is still up by tomorrow. Shubh ratri, adios, sayonara, goodnight, bye bye

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    enlightenment is a spook

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It’s nothing

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