aesthetics is more important than theology

sound theology without beautiful aesthetics will fall flat and not reach the fallen people of a fallen world

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Aesthetics are a consequence of sound theology

    compare calvinist churches with catholic cathedrals
    also catholic churches built after second vatican council

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >calvinist churches
      This is the way. No unnecessary gilded rubish.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This
        I am much more a fan of architecture* than all the gaudy idolatrous displays cathodox smear everywhere.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Look at all that gilded rubbish, the real church should be in a cave with nothing.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >options are massive golden palace built on the backs of the poor, or a cave

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >he thinks he made an argument

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            An argument? I'm just making fun of the 'zero aesthetics' people.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            how vulgar, like an atheist

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'll become a Christian as soon as I know which church is the real one, I will either be convinced by the least possible amount of aesthetics or the most amount of aesthetics possible.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You can only be convinced of the truth by the word of God

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, sure, but then what church do I join you know?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Compare them to the bible, you join the one which is the same as the one you see in the bible.
            Which is the Presbyterians obviously

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            not gonna lie, he's right. Aesthetics stem from God as beautiful, but faith is ultimately how one is saved, the works — which include artistry to glorify God for the sake of others — is a byproduct of true belief.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've seen Catholic churches in small European villages that looked a lot like that tbh.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/5exMXKU.jpeg

      >noooooo you can't make something beautiful to give glory to God in the mortal realm stop sculpting columns stop attempting architecture and make your church out of a barn or a McDonald's like us true Christians
      Protestant iconoclasm is really the gayest of all theological position
      Frick you, I WILL reserve the noblest of metals for the tabernacle, and I will make it as aesthetic as possible as praise to the Lord.

      https://i.imgur.com/XFtwPkI.jpeg

      >glory to king and artists
      giving glory to God and encouraging just rulership and the talent to recreate beauty, both qualities which stem from God, are not mutually exclusive
      Or are you going to claim that alphabets and texts exclusively glorify writers and readers, and language, orators and listeners, too?
      Frick off. Visual arts representing the values of Christianity and God are no different from the words written in the Holy Books of the Bible. Or were the holy gospels works of vanity for their authors?

      If you need pretty pictures in order to follow The Truth. You never believed in the first place. It's a cool club for you.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    idolatry

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >noooooo you can't make something beautiful to give glory to God in the mortal realm stop sculpting columns stop attempting architecture and make your church out of a barn or a McDonald's like us true Christians
      Protestant iconoclasm is really the gayest of all theological position
      Frick you, I WILL reserve the noblest of metals for the tabernacle, and I will make it as aesthetic as possible as praise to the Lord.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >to give glory to God
        Are you stupid it only ever gave glory to kings and artists, both often degenerates

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >glory to king and artists
          giving glory to God and encouraging just rulership and the talent to recreate beauty, both qualities which stem from God, are not mutually exclusive
          Or are you going to claim that alphabets and texts exclusively glorify writers and readers, and language, orators and listeners, too?
          Frick off. Visual arts representing the values of Christianity and God are no different from the words written in the Holy Books of the Bible. Or were the holy gospels works of vanity for their authors?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Visual arts representing the values of Christianity and God
            Which values are represented by a mountain of gold?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nobility, purity and the omnipotent power of God, a reflection, adequate if infinitely less representative, for the light of the Holy Spirit giving life, power and beauty to Creation, and the richest of all rewards, to be at the side of Christ in the world to come.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            material possession which represents greed which represents sin which represents separation from God which represents death.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The beauty of the natural.materials which God created.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Frick off. Visual arts representing the values of Christianity and God are no different from the words written in the Holy Books of the Bible.
            Yes they are.
            >“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.
            Words are not images. Why is this so hard to understand?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >translates "pesel" as "image" instead of "eidolon", "idol" or "graven image", literally an object of heathen worship
            >Ten Commandments instead of the Noahide Laws, which only proscribe to gentiles (not belonging to the 12 tribes) the worship of idols; it says nothing toward the act of artistic creation as long as it conforms to the worship and glorification of God
            >Jesus reconfirmed the Commandments in His Sermon on the Mount. The mention of the 4th is absent, probably because His Sermon was aimed at Gentiles and Hebrews alike
            Aesthetics-chads win again

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >strawman
        seething idolater, I will continue to worship the one true God while you praise rocks and wood

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Frick you, I WILL reserve the noblest of metals for the tabernacle, and I will make it as aesthetic as possible as praise to the Lord.
        To do this, practically, you have to guilt trip peasants that they have to give you money or else theyll go to hell, OR they will ease the torment of their dead loved ones.
        Alternatively, you can loot pagan empires in the New World, which, tbh is probably better.
        You are not the good guy.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >make your church out of a barn
        Ideally sermons and ceremonies should be held at the parishioners' homes.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Ideally sermons and ceremonies should be held at the parishioners' homes.
          >Ideally
          source?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I genuinely don't know how people like you live with themselves. Is this what you want your life and soul to amount to?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My brother, you are the one clinging onto gold for banking, transactions and personal projects rather than giving it up in a healthy and pious way, for the glorification of God on this earth.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >rather than giving it up in a healthy and pious way
            Helping Italian pederasts build immense gilded palaces?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ignoring the generalization of "le ebil church man", just say that you're jealous that God deserves a gold-filigreed temple and you don't.
            Those church works will outlive the ambitions of the humble and not-so-humble men who built them anyway, and serve as a beacon for the rest of their onlookers toward the Word.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The gay pedophile in Rome isn't God.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the "gay pedophile in Rome" doesn't own the Basilica he operates in, nor claims to be the object of the worship in it, nor claims the credit for the symbolism of it, nor claims it was built for him. You can't be an adult and claim working or living inside a building automatically makes you a bad person because there's gold in it, or because the symbolic tools he uses in the holding of his office are made of gold, it's insane. Or would it be acceptable if, instead of being a priest for 50-ish years and doing almost nothing but tending to his flock and praising God, he worked as an entrepreneur and made his calculator out of gold out of a fit of pique, because somehow this is how Protestants seem to visualize their famed "work ethics"?
            This is why I hate arguing with protties, all of their doctrins eventually turn to "the pope does or is by office something, so let's not."

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >be gay pedophile Italian aristocrat
            >live in opulent palace, surrounded by servants to bring you grapes and young boys
            >have armies of soldiers at your command to protect your wealth and enforce your will
            >claim authority over distant kings who will obey your orders because you said so
            >tfw you're a humble, poor man because none of it is in your name

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >le five centuries old protestant strawman
            epic w fellow redditor, have an updoot
            now frick off back where you came

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I accept your concession

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you were the one conceding when you couldn't find a counter-argument in doctrins and resorted to childish generalizations and personal attacks

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Personal attacks on the humble aristocrats in the golden palaces?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the ones who devote their lives to God, the spreading of His Word, the safeguarding of their flocks and the maintenance of the Holy Commission? Yes, without a doubt. The fact that they operate in the House of God and do so with the symbols of the Church of Christ, both perfected by their works and the faithfuls', is irrelevant.
            >inb4 another "he's holding a golden scepter of office which means he's obviously evil" schizo rant
            yet your flock does nothing when your government workers wear masonic gold heathen symbols around their necks and when your fellow brothers use the gold for their personal vanities. As I said before, you're just jealous this gold is reserved to an apostolically-linked office and for the benefits of all faithful and non-faithful observers rather than be in your, your pastor, and/or your government's pockets or intimities.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >the ones who devote their lives to God
            You mean grapes and young boys
            >the spreading of His Word
            By burning people for making it possible to read the bible
            >the maintenance of the Holy Commission?
            By forcing them to participate in the cash4heaven scam
            >The fact that they operate in the House of God and do so with the symbols of the Church of Christ, both perfected by their works and the faithfuls', is irrelevant.
            Pardon me for not appreciating the humility of grotesque excess and wealth

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >let's double down on the strawman
            why are protestant incapable of arguing without relying on an imaginary or long dead and criticized scapegoat?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Strength
    Beuty
    Wisdom

    You need all three.

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