After finally trying OpenRC for the first time, I finally get the hate.

After finally trying OpenRC for the first time, I finally get the hate. systemd blinded me for so long that I didn't even realize how many things that I took for granted were actually the doings of systemd.
It's so liberating not having a quasi-black box on your system.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It has just werked for me

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: No objective arguments made, just feelings. The absolute state of redditors.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For real, it's nice. I just add elogind and a dbus replacement and I'm good to go.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get the hate for systemd and openrc they both are perfectly fine

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Everything he made has been enshittifications
      >systemd
      Goes without saying
      >Avahi
      Litters my start menu for no reason other than it being an inescapable dependency.
      >Puleaudio
      Pipewire is better.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Litters my start menu for no reason other than it being an inescapable dependency.
        This one's actually your distros fault for packaging GUI crap together with a system daemon instead of package splitting.

        You probably use Arch by the way.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yet Arch also splits Adwaita cursors into a separate package despite being a part of the icon package. Why the inconsistency?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because it's up to each maintainer what to do and most of them will shrug and go "I don't know. I don't want to do that"

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh yeah, even libcups, which is what creates the dependency for avahi in the first place, is a package split from another package, its own daemon that it ironically does not depend on. Fricking hell.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I use sysvinit and haven't missed systemd at all.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Same... No clue what I'm even supposed to be missing in practice.

      Everything he made has been enshittifications
      >systemd
      Goes without saying
      >Avahi
      Litters my start menu for no reason other than it being an inescapable dependency.
      >Puleaudio
      Pipewire is better.

      I swear the following is true: I've ended up hating these three things for different reasons without knowing they were made by the same moron. Pulseaudio because it's simply worse than ALSA in 9/10 computers I've had since Ubuntu decided to switch to this crap and I always solved my sound issues by simply removing PA and installing a some ALSA panel widget. Avahi because of a security exploit that I became a victim of, partly because I fricked up my firewall config but, hey, Avahi is what they went after, plus I've never actually used it and for some reason it's preinstalled everywhere (now I just remove it immediately). And SystemD because it's exactly the kind of bloated proprietary-feeling dogshit that I stopped using Windows to avoid.

      Frick that net-negative guy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Gentoo?

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ok, elaborate?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They can't answer, it's all just feelings and bullshit.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The beginning
    >package maintainers were tired of editing .sh scripts that had no strong standard
    >Redhat sent recruiters to Germany to scower every underground teaboy bar they could find, until they found the twinkiest and smoothest boi
    >RH asked twink to use init as a vector to make Linux as unnecessarily complicated as SELinux, so that Redhat could sell more service contracts and the NSA could add more backdoors
    >smooth underaged teaboy twink swallowed, then agreed
    >package maintainers got wet over having to edit fewer files, so they forced votes on which init system to choose
    The great vote
    >in one corner was systemd. Its proponents' strongest argument, "it's just an init system, bro"
    >in the other corners were init systems that actually really were just init systems, didn't use binary formats, and weren't helmed by an autsitic harem twink homosexual
    >in the audience were a few users that were worried about the twink teaboy's previous clusterfrick of a project (pulseaudio) and systemd's bloat and tendril-like structure
    >the argument "it's just an init system, bro" won
    >a bunch of distro owners left in disgust
    A stop job is running
    >Over the years the German twink teaboy has ballooned the init system like an inflatable buttplug until it throbs against nearly every aspect of Linux, each time claiming that some obscure edgecase won't work perfectly in his mind if an entire POSIX-style subsystem isn't replaced with his personal sex toy
    >systemd has replaced the system DNS resolver, time daemon, syslog, udev, mount, cron, and now home
    >all criticism is dismissed as trolling or angry script-kiddies butthurt about "muh init system shouldn't be contacting Google's servers"
    >people who complain are told "lol why u mad? it was never just an init system, bro"
    >ctrl-c to stop a job is still marked as "WONTFIX, working as designed"
    >up until 7/2/2022 it was a joke that the twink secretly works for MSFT. Now he literally does.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      100% truth

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bro, it's just an init system

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The great vote
      >>in one corner was systemd. Its proponents' strongest argument, "it's just an init system, bro"
      If you're referring to the debate in Debian, their main argument boiled down to "GNOME is gonna depend on it and it's going to be too hard for package maintainer to make it work without it".

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The usual suspects are to blame once again.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't really get why it's a problem. I'm not a fan of it or anything but I don't really hate it either. It just werks and I wouldn't care what init system I'm using as long as it just werks

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's how normalgays think. It's also why they use spyware like Windows.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Give me a compelling argument on why I should use anything other than systemd

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He won't. I've never seen a systemd hater that wasn't a brainlet.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Large monolithic system means that it's easier for something to get smuggled in that can engage in rampant privilege escalation.
          You know, that thing that happened a few months ago because of systemd.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You know, that thing that happened a few months ago because of systemd.
            What are you talking about?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            CVE-2024-3094

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh that XZ exploit? That has nothing to do with systemd. It could've affected Devuan just as bad as Debian

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            are you moronic? The vector of attack required systemd

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And the backdoor is targeting dpkg and rpm. Should we just avoid Debian, Ubuntu Fedora. and OpenSUSE because attacks like these target these systems more than other platforms?
            The problem is that systemd is the most commonly used init system and the attacker would've targeted something else if the alternative was more popular

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And the backdoor is targeting dpkg and rpm
            No it doesn't. Did you even read up on it for two seconds? It targeted ssh systems that were patched against systemd for systemd notification support. It has literally nothing to do with the package manager.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is the average systems user, Black person can't read a fricking CVE report.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if you need to ask then you probably don't

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        lol, this idiot thinks he is "different" for not using systemD...HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >black box

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nobody reads that shit, let alone professionally audit the code. systemd is so large it could very well be a black box for all common intents and purposes.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've read much of it. You're just a luser.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/quasi

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the leftist meme of source code, nobody's reading that unless you at least pay them to.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >use Debian 11/systemd
    >works well for about eight months
    >simply open a single NsCDE menu
    >out of nowhere, systemd spergs out and recursively writes to log over *30GB* of kB log files
    >Debian freaks out in response and does the same over multiple logs, filling the drive to absolute capacity to the point that literally not one more write operation can occur, inducing kernel panic
    >legitimate catastrophic failure
    >apparently interrupts some important process, ultimately fricking up both WM and DE basic functioning, permanently corrupting them
    >no hope fixing the problem after months of troubleshooting and RTFM because fvwm is a caustic rats nest and NsCDE is written convoluted python scripts by borderline illiterates

    Never again.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like a GAYBIAN problem.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So can you really not disable journald? Why do you need constant logging?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Installed gentoo (openrc) on my laptop last night, what horrors am I in for? Only ever used systemd

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Not too many reasons to use a systemd distro nowadays.

    Want something archlike? Void.
    Debianlike? Devuan.
    Fedoralike? Stop being a homosexual.
    Nixlike? Guix.
    Minimalist? Alpine.

    Of course the real answer has always been gentoo but I'm trying to impress on people how many diverse options they already have to say no to the Red Hat cancer.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget slackware
      Everyone forgets slackware

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Want something archlike? Void.
      >what is Artix

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        DONT MENTION ARTIX HERE

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the triangle is a penis and the circle is your anus. Hope that helps.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >OpenRC
    I have it on postmarketOS it seems fine although Im trying to figure out does init system controll device while it sleeps?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >does init system controll device while it sleeps?
      If by sleep you mean S3 power state the no, not even the kernal. The entire CPU cache is flushed and the BIOS takes over.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        How are wake-up events then determined? On Windows, my laptop decides to hibernate after sleeping for too long, but Linux just sleeps until it fricking dies.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Various firmware signals such as ACPI low battery or an RTC alarm set by the OS. Linux supports this too and systemd can make use of it. https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/latest/systemd-sleep.conf.html#suspend-then-hibernate

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I like when my system works
    I'm sorry Mr. Haitian Black folkhit

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Mac-gay spirit

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Thinking of switching to devuan, should I use the default sysvinit or use openrc?
    Can I run wayland guhnome on either of them just fine?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sysvinit Devuan is smooth as butter for years me. I want to try openrc at some point but nothing has happened yet to give me that final push to justify spending the time on that. But I also use just XFCE with a small change so that it doesn't start X neither automatically nor as root.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >quasi-black box
    >one of the most extensively documented FOSS projects
    >can literally browse the code on github
    que? sounds like you got filtered.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    same but dinit for me

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fixed your image troony

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Artix
        >troony
        tell me you're a newbie without telling me you're a newbie

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dinit is probably the best alternative init system.

      dinit

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    is there a distro that satisfies all of this: no systemd, widely used packaging format .deb, .rpm, latest or semi-latest (1 version behind mainline) linux kernel, easy to get non free software like hevc codecs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      devuan?

      package format doesn't really matter - some RPM for one distro isn't guaranteed to work for some other RPM-based with different software and versions

      it's better to just keep an Ubuntu or similar chroot around, then you can easily run any Ubuntu software with schroot from any distro

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >devuan
        has an old kernel by default and I don't feel like manually updating it

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    what's the consensus on s6 vs runit vs openrc

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've used runit and openrc. I prefer openrc. Its syntax is a bit nicer in my opinion, rc-config is great and is easier for me to read than systemctl.

      Runit is easier to rice, if you want your pre-TTY init messages to look any kind of way, its super easy because its all POSIX shell.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dinit is probably the best alternative init system.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    dinit

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll try switching from fedora to artix with dinit and kde

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why? Both of them are good distros.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        guess not. this is me trying the graphical artix installer inside of kvm

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Every time I use a machine with contrarian init (other peoples' machines, not mine) I am shocked by how slow it is, and it's guaranteed to be full of badly written scripts and questionable gamer-weeb content.

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