Aliens aren't real, deal with it.

The Fermi "paradox" has been definitively solved for almost 50 years, there is no intelligent life beyond humanity in our galaxy, almost certianty not in the observable universe at all. Of course, it is still an open question wether this is true for the entire universe, but emperical methods can, by definition, not be applied here.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Explain this case:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Washington,_D.C.,_UFO_incident

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Soviet rocket and aircraft. Better to dismiss it as a UFO than have civil uprisings about not doing anything or all out war because real life General Rippers existed and would have used this to start a conflict or coup.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Evolutionists have to believe in aliens or the possibility because if life miraculously started here with no miracle maker, it must be able to happen somewhere else too. Never mind irreducible complexity or DNA or cellular biology or laws of the universe, we can just hand wave those away or refuse to deal with them. After all, we already have tax funding and access to indoctrinate kids into our blind faith beliefs.

      A silly-shaped balloon is an unidentified flying object if you don't know what it is.

      Also
      >wikipedia

      https://i.imgur.com/jj56iVj.jpg

      I choose to believe that aliens or (how smart people call them) extraterrestrials are benevolent and hiding amongst us

      >just like my favorite heckin movies like Men in Black

      https://i.imgur.com/mDIvyEq.jpg

      It cannot be answered for now. We need to why abiogenesis occurs to make a good, satisfactory guess. LUCA was just a self replicating molecule, but how was she made??

      >We need to why abiogenesis occurs to make a good, satisfactory guess.
      "Need to know why?" Because it has never happened and will never happened. It's scientifically impossible, violates laws of the universe. Which evolutionists also claim evolved, but magically stopped evolving once they were logically consistent and once life could be sustained within a rational universe.

      >LUCA was just a self replicating molecule, but how was she made??
      Is this the latest fairy tale the evolution schizos are passing as science now? Remember when they invented inflation theory because matter in the universe isn't evenly dispersed? They still have no answer for galaxies or planets or moons spinning "backwards", I could go on, but they don't want to hear any heretics to their blind faith that's falsely called science.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lol, soon you will be talking about UFOs of the Third Reich

        >ding ding

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Wikipedia is not a valid source, zoomzoom.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Thomas_Schulz
          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Nazi larper
            >Hispanic
            Lmao, its so predictable. The way Nazism resonates with the intrinsic Latin belligerence is peak comedy.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Barkon

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    • 4 weeks ago
      Thomas_Schulz

      Lol, soon you will be talking about UFOs of the Third Reich

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Space Nazis.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Thomas_Schulz

        Like what Serrano and Zündel wrote about and is written in "The Morning of the Magicians"?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >At 11:40 p.m. on Saturday, July 19, 1952, Edward Nugent, an air traffic controller at Washington National Airport spotted seven objects on his radar.[8] The objects were located 15 miles (24 km) south-southwest of the city; no known aircraft were in the area, and the objects were not following any established flight paths. Nugent's superior, Harry Barnes, a senior air-traffic controller at the airport, watched the objects on Nugent's radarscope. He later wrote: We knew immediately that a very strange situation existed . . . their movements were completely radical compared to those of ordinary aircraft.[9] Barnes had two controllers check Nugent's radar; they found that it was working normally. Barnes then called National Airport's radar-equipped control tower; the controllers there, Howard wienerlin and Joe Zacko, said that they also had unidentified blips on their radar screen, and saw a hovering "bright light" in the sky, which departed with incredible speed.[8] wienerlin asked Zacko, "Did you see that? What the hell was that?"[8] At this point, other objects appeared in all sectors of the radarscope; when they moved over the White House and the United States Capitol, Barnes called Andrews Air Force Base, located 10 miles from National Airport. Although Andrews reported that they had no unusual objects on their radar, an airman soon called the base's control tower to report the sighting of a strange object. Airman William Brady, who was in the tower, then saw an "object which appeared to be like an orange ball of fire, trailing a tail . . . [it was] unlike anything I had ever seen before."
      Holy shit!

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    One possibility is that this reality is a simulation and the reason we don't see aliens is because the alien civilizations that get too advanced keep getting deleted.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/katechon/

    >Abstract: A corollary of the Simulation Argument is that the universe’s computational capacity may be limited. Consequently, advanced alien civilizations may have incentives to avoid space colonization to avoid taking up too much “calculating space” and forcing a simulation shutdown. A possible solution to the Fermi Paradox is that analogous considerations may drive them to avoid broadcasting their presence to the cosmos, and to attempt to destroy or permanently cripple emerging civilizations on sight. This game-theoretical equilibrium could be interpreted as the “katechon” – that which withholds eschaton – doom, oblivion, the end of the world. The resulting state of mutually assured xenocide would result in a dark, seemingly empty universe intermittently populated by small, isolationist “hermit” civilizations.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is ULTRA moronation. Are you telling me intelligent life takes up more calculations than stars 1000 times the size of the sun, and the explosions that result from them?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically yes. Human brains are the most complex thing we are aware of. Stimulating billions of them would require way more computational power.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >atoms in brain: 10^26
          >atoms in sun: 10^53
          Yeah not even close

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A more mindfricky version of this would be if there isn't necessarily a simulation, but consciousness is a special force of the universe and too much of it spreading out too far has strange effects.
      It would be the ultimate "frick you" to life that stubbornly pushes on with space colonization despite the harsh limits of travel.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That would at least explain why intelligence similar to humans isn't more prevalent in other species despite Hundreds of millions of years cycling through life on earth.

        But there's one loop hole to that which

        Or maybe FTL is impossible like everybody smarter has been saying all along and sentients reach for the stars briefly and then, once they exhaust their fossil fuels, slide back to a long, post-technological decline and eventually fade away.

        There is no reason for life not to be relatively common given the amount of stars out there, they just aren't going anywhere because the laws of physics do not allow it.

        also ignores for FTL. Which is A.I. and machines ignoring biological pressures on intelligence and aging. So technically it can be bypass.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Or maybe FTL is impossible like everybody smarter has been saying all along and sentients reach for the stars briefly and then, once they exhaust their fossil fuels, slide back to a long, post-technological decline and eventually fade away.

      There is no reason for life not to be relatively common given the amount of stars out there, they just aren't going anywhere because the laws of physics do not allow it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You don't need FTL or anything close to it to colonize the entire galaxy in a few million years.
        >There is no reason for life not to be relatively common
        But... we don't see any sign of it!

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you don't need FTL
          You do need the species to overcome time-limited individualist thinking and egomania problems, and I do not believe it's possible due to the nature of life.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're assuming human level lifespans here, why would intelligent life on alien planets only live for ~100 years tops? Even humans might not be limited by short lifespans with future technology.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You do need the species to overcome time-limited individualist thinking and egomania problems
            Why? What's stopping an alien species with egomania and time-limited individualist thinking from colonizing their galaxy?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Thomas_Schulz

            In fiction, films, etc., aliens are almost always colonizers by the way.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >You don't need FTL or anything close to it to colonize the entire galaxy

          Yeah just build an extremely complex spacefaring machine that won't break for hundreds/thousands of years lmfao dude bro. Talking to non-stemgays is fricking futile.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Even the sociological aspect is bonkers. People love projects that will benefit them. People can be convinced to fund projects that will mostly benefit their children. People are hard pressed to make any sort of concession to the distant future. Imagine how hard it would be to get people to pour enormous amounts of resources into a project that absolutely WILL not EVER benefit anyone on earth?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You would need high speeds to reach other solar systems, but not FTL. Even humans have sent out probes that have been in-tact for decades.

            Even the sociological aspect is bonkers. People love projects that will benefit them. People can be convinced to fund projects that will mostly benefit their children. People are hard pressed to make any sort of concession to the distant future. Imagine how hard it would be to get people to pour enormous amounts of resources into a project that absolutely WILL not EVER benefit anyone on earth?

            What makes you think all aliens would have human like life-span?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There is no reason for life not to be relatively common given the amount of stars out there,
        Congrats, you're a midwit.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Yudkowsky

          • 4 weeks ago
            Thomas_Schulz

            israelitekowsky?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's a fun idea, but it's also exceedingly obvious, monstrously feeble cope.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That is based on the assumption that alien technology must progress to certain levels or than certain technology must exist.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm glad this well tempered and sober take is gaining steam.

      >but muh vn probes, muh thermal signatures
      Absolutely running a three minute mile before we can crawl. It is strange to have to continually remind people that what appears as engineering hurdles may for currently unknown reasons be physical impossibilities. We should humble ourselves before we declare the universe dead because we see no evidence of nonexistent technology. Not-even-1s should never expect to know the machinations of a 3.

      20th century science may not be the ruling authority on the technological potential of the entire universe.
      This should be obvious enough.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Very interesting thread, gotta love it when people don't post only schizo shit on this board.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      As opposed to when they don't?

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They are in area51, if only people were brave enough to infiltrate it everyone would know the truth

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All sufficiently advanced species will recognise the flaws in material reality and prefer the virtual world to the real one. We will never see aliens because they live inside hyperreal computer simulations.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I choose to believe that aliens or (how smart people call them) extraterrestrials are benevolent and hiding amongst us

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      All it would take would be one outlier and this idea falls flat.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/VvV2y0E.png

      One possibility is that this reality is a simulation and the reason we don't see aliens is because the alien civilizations that get too advanced keep getting deleted.

      https://www.unz.com/akarlin/katechon/

      >Abstract: A corollary of the Simulation Argument is that the universe’s computational capacity may be limited. Consequently, advanced alien civilizations may have incentives to avoid space colonization to avoid taking up too much “calculating space” and forcing a simulation shutdown. A possible solution to the Fermi Paradox is that analogous considerations may drive them to avoid broadcasting their presence to the cosmos, and to attempt to destroy or permanently cripple emerging civilizations on sight. This game-theoretical equilibrium could be interpreted as the “katechon” – that which withholds eschaton – doom, oblivion, the end of the world. The resulting state of mutually assured xenocide would result in a dark, seemingly empty universe intermittently populated by small, isolationist “hermit” civilizations.

      Based simulation Chads, they get it. Also thanks for the paper, I'll read it later and see what I can grok.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It cannot be answered for now. We need to why abiogenesis occurs to make a good, satisfactory guess. LUCA was just a self replicating molecule, but how was she made??

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Thomas_Schulz

    Btw if a person falls from a height the size of our two universes at the speed of light squared, then he will turn into a singularity, and then into a black hole.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Thomas_Schulz

      I think that the ancient aliens, if they existed at all, destroyed themselves by becoming part of a black hole, but there is no way to verify this without time travel.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like this 'paradox' doesn't take into account the scale of space or time well enough

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not really, read Hart's original paper.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He doesn't take the observable universe into account whatsoever

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. Abiogenesis is so unlikely that it shouldn't have even happened once anywhere in the universe
    2. FTL travel is impossible meaning that aliens would have no method for getting closer to us, even assuming they for whatever reason decided to fly directly in our direction (it can't be detection unless the aliens already happened to be within 100 light years of earth)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Galactic conquest would be possible within a few million years assuming a travel speed of 0.1c, and even with current rocket technology in 300 million years or so.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >assuming a travel speed of 0.1c
        A big assumption if that's even possible. And even if you're were, you're talking about centuries or millennia of travel time in deep space from one potentially habitable planet to the next, over and over again, for completely unclear gain. It's a feat very few civilizations would be inclined to commit to.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Thomas_Schulz

          After these words, I remember Warhammer 40K and the books by Robert Heinlein and Howard Lovecraft.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well that's kind of the thing, it's a lot easier to write books and geek out about the idea of idea of interstellar conquest than it is to say, establish a permanent base on even our own moon. More importantly though, without FTL travel, you don't actually get anything out of colonizing anything outside of your own solar system. You can't do mining or trade, you're just shitting colony ships into the void. Even the people on board will probably not live to reach their destination, instead the colony would be made by the descendants of those who left their home world, and your own descendants might be able to listen to space transmissions about the ship arriving at the world to be colonized, centuries after it actually did. It's just a lot of fricking work and struggle and effort for literally no tangible gain at all.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's just a lot of fricking work and struggle and effort for literally no tangible gain at all.
            >having your species expand on enough planets that it guarantees survival against random meteor strikes or eventual death of Earth via the Sun expansion/super nova.
            >no tangible gain at all

            Well frick you too anon.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You don't even have girlfriend, you don't actually care about the continuity of your lineage, you just like the idea of galactic colonization because it's "cool". Not that your vote in particular even matters, since the project you're proposing would be, at minimum, a major national project, and our civilization has decided that babysitting moron third worlders is more important that maintaining existing industrial capability.

            But also, no, there's nothing tangible about the idea that humanity might still exist even if the earth gets fricked. It's spending quadrillions of dollars just to feel better about ourselves and pretend that we can overcome entropy by running from one rock to another. If you need some way to cope with the inevitability of death, religion is a lot cheaper.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So you're saying because of the potential inevitability of events such as heat death humanity should just off themselves trillions of years if not quadrillion of years ahead of time? Especially when it's only being theorized to occur based off our limited observations?

            If there is life out there besides us I'm sure they've delved into this possible outcome. They may have even done what you've said we should do too. Which could be an answer to the Fermi Paradox, but hopefully humanity can produce something more concrete to justify such an action as intentionally committing species suicide.

            For now I think there is tangible gain in surviving a bit longer in the universe.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's just it though, it's not "us". It's not even your distant descendants. You're talking about the single largest public works project ever conceived, for the theoretical existence of people so far removed from you that they might as well be strangers, so far in the future that every last bit of evidence you ever existed will be gone. It's a hard sell to make to, well pretty much anyone. Especially given the project would take so long, even AFTER launch, that nobody who contributed to it would ever have any idea if it was even going to work.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Robot bodies will live hundreds of years.
            Next questionne~

          • 4 weeks ago
            Thomas_Schulz

            "The Pentagon warns: the US is not ready for an alien invasion.

            A newly declassified document shows that the Department of Defense lacks a comprehensive or coordinated effort to track and analyze UFOs, which in recent years have been renamed Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP)."

            If you are told that an alien invasion has begun on Earth, don't panic, it's just our friends from the dark side of the moon...

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If there genuinely was a spacefairing species out there that wished us harm and knows we're here, we're already fricking dead. There IS no defense against enemies with such capacity.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Thomas_Schulz

            Well, by the way, there are a lot of films, TV series, anime, etc. in the culture about aliens with absolutely different plots.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Agree with the Dark Forest theory on aliens. We do not want to be found.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Disproven by every intelligent social animal wanting to associate with humans, like the escaped Russian spy beluga. Intelligent civlisation is built on intersubjectivity.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cool, good thing people have never killed whales before and aren't a threat to them at all.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The telos towards whale protection shows your paranoia dubious:
            https://iwc.int/management-and-conservation/whaling/commercial

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The declining whale population due to human ocean activity and their status as an endangered species definitely proves you wrong.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And yet they all still want to socialise with us, and we now want to socialise with them. Much like Brits in Germany now, or Americans in Japan today. The identity of intelligent social creature is constructed through a process of intersubjective recognition. What both we and the aliens need in the universe are subjects, other minds, to be recognised in. That's the greatest resource we would provide eachother.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And yet they all still want to socialise with us
            Sure, all those killer whales actively hunting and capsizing boats just want to socialize.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i think advanced alien civilizations will have a different decision making process to Hvladimir
            our idea of the dark forest comes from game theory, something Hvladimir does not have access to

          • 4 weeks ago
            Thomas_Schulz

            Yeah, we don't, but maybe they do.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No it wouldn't you fricking moronic child. What are economics, logistics?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not suggesting a centralized government that's in control of the entire galaxy. When I say "conquest" I mean that most habitable planets in the galaxy could be colonized and inhabited in such a time-span if a civilization developed space travel.

          >assuming a travel speed of 0.1c
          A big assumption if that's even possible. And even if you're were, you're talking about centuries or millennia of travel time in deep space from one potentially habitable planet to the next, over and over again, for completely unclear gain. It's a feat very few civilizations would be inclined to commit to.

          Nonsense, life natrually seeks to expand.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Abiogenesis is so unlikely
      Then why did it happen on Earth almost the moment we cooled down enough to make it possible?

      >assuming a travel speed of 0.1c
      A big assumption if that's even possible. And even if you're were, you're talking about centuries or millennia of travel time in deep space from one potentially habitable planet to the next, over and over again, for completely unclear gain. It's a feat very few civilizations would be inclined to commit to.

      They had billions of years to do millennia of travel, that's the point of Fermi. They've had enough time, they should be everywhere, including here on Earth or the Solar System, already.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Then why did it happen on Earth almost the moment we cooled down enough to make it possible?
        Proof that happened instead of panspermia allowing to life to flourish on earth as soon as the conditions were right?

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    people will believe in aliens if it helps keep drumpfler out of the white house

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there 99% exist life outside of earth SOMEWHERE in the universe.

    if our current theories about evolutions are even remotely correct as in
    >it takes a little of luck for few random proteins in warm water to kick start "life"
    then in the "infinite" universe with trillions of planets A LOT of them are at the very minimum colonized by amobeas and other simple germs and or algae swimming in liquid water and using nearest sun and or minerals for energy.

    >inb4 so where are the aliens???
    very very very far away. if our current understanding of physics is correct, there is practically unreachable distance between us and "them". and by the time their star ship would reach our planet we might as well be all dead cause our sun ran out of fuel and burned earth to crisp.

    the 1% probability is for us being completely wrong about evolution and there being sky daddy who created us in his image. in that case it is clear why there are no aliens: there is only 1 god and he is okay with just 1 life planet.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >if our current theories about evolutions are even remotely correct as in
      >>it takes a little of luck for few random proteins in warm water to kick start "life"
      That's not the current theory. The current theory is that the simplest possible life form that could exist is a self-catalyzing RNA enzyme. This is still so unlikely to have spontaneously formed as to be near impossible even over the scale of the whole universe over billions of years, but still a lot less impossible than the random polymerization of amino acids into a functional nucleotide polymerase that then randomly assembled a nucleotide sequence that encoded for the amino acids making up the polymerase.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Thomas_Schulz

        By the way, Charles Darwin had a good relationship with the church.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >there is no intelligent life beyond humanity in our galaxy
    There could be, but we'll never meet them.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There almost certianly isn't, it MIGHT be the the case that there is intelligent life somewhere in the universe, but that we will indeed never know.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Say there's intelligent life in every galaxy, roughly one advanced and space-faring civilization. Could we really detect them? If there was a species 20 generations more advanced than humans in the Andromeda galaxy, how would we find them?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If they were Type 3 we could by excess infrared. We could also detect Type 2's in nearby galaxies like Andromeda. They have done WISE sky surveys for Type 3 civs amongst galaxies, none found in 2015:
      http://arxiv.org/abs/1504.03418

      Although the Chinese think they've found two Type 3 galaxies in 2021:
      https://academic.oup.com/mnras/article/507/3/3761/6339283

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ILT J134649.72+542621.7 and ILT J145757.90+565323.8 are the two Type 3 civilisation hosting galaxies.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Are you stupid? Or do you struggle with imagining a really big space?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Read Hart's paper.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I know exactly how to visualize large spaces. A lot of them arent even that large. For example, put an orange dot on your screen, call that mars. You can fit earth on the other edge of a 5k iMac monitor and represent the distance pretty well. Other contrasts are more difficult to represent, such as the number of rolls it will take before you create an RNA bootloader for life.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Are you stupid? Or do you struggle with imagining all the possible unintelligent life that could more easily fill that space?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Are you stupid? Or do you struggle with imagining any other scenario than either the space is fully colonized (or even half of it), or only one planet is colonized.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You are the one struggling to imagine any other scenario than the one you have predetermined where other planets are just like yours, so you don't feel so alone.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Copernican principle + naturalism. The universe is full of life or you believe Earth is a miracle subject to a different chain of causation than everyother event in the universe.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Reread the reply chain.

            Are you stupid? Or do you struggle with imagining all the possible unintelligent life that could more easily fill that space?

            Its not the life part I was objecting to, its the human intelligence part.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Again, copernican principle + naturalism. The universe is full of intelligent civilisations or you believe Earth is a miracle subject to a different chain of causation than everyother event in the universe.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >+ naturalism
            You really shouldn't use the exact name of a logical fallacy as your logical basis if you expect to be taken seriously.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Don't be a dumb ESL c**t, get a fricking dictionary if words confuse you. Either you believe in naturalism, that all events in the universe are subject to the same causes and the same branching chain of causation, or you believe in miracles, events that can be caused by something from outside the chain of causation of other events, gods sticking their fingers into the natural chain to create a new "uncaused" event, like a miracle of life or intelligence on Earth that occurs nowhere else.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >all events in the universe are subject to the same causes and the same branching chain of causation
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalism_(philosophy)
            That isn't what naturalism is, naturalism ranges from saying that the human spirit and higher intelligence is specifically not necessary when nature can provide everything it needs for itself to saying that nature itself is divine intelligence and capable of anything even things we assume would be miraculous. It is also a specific type of logical fallacy.

            If what you were saying was true, there would be life with human intelligence on all the planets in the solar system, but there is no other human intelligence in the solar system outside of earth, so no reason to necessitate human intelligence anywhere else in the universe when lesser intelligence is far more capable of spreading itself far and wide which is why ants out number humans by orders of magnitude in numbers and mass, then viruses outnumber ants by similar orders of magnitude.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Its not the life part I was objecting to, its the human intelligence part.
            Makes no difference. There's enough space for billions of different planets with life. Enough space for them to be distributed in a way that they'll never meet each other, even if they have been colonizing everything they see in the sky for a very long time. And that only if we assume they want to colonize other planets which already is a huge assumption.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Enough space for them to be distributed in a way that they'll never meet each other
            The only reason human are intelligent is due to the abundance of other life they met and analyzed, you can't have human type intelligence without an abundance of different types of life.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What does that have to do with anything? I'm talking about species from different planets meeting each other.

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone's talking about how far away shit is and FTL, but you're all forgetting that solar systems move around and that we had a whole binary system within the Oort cloud only 70K years ago.

    If there happened to be an advanced civ there, they could have sent self repairing/replicating probes our way with conventional propulsion.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The thread that made /x/ butthurt.

    It's easier for them to accept that it's special magical israelites kidnapping, mutilating and fricking around in the sky then accept reality that it's most likely US government.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >there is no intelligent life beyond humanity in our galaxy
    And how have you determined that?
    Making shit up is not a solution to anything.

    And this isn't even a solution. The solution to the paradox is why we have encountered no alien life. Saying there is no intelligent life in the galaxy doesn't solve the why part. The solution is determining what factor drives the number of civilizations to be so low, what term in the Drake equation drives the probability to be very small.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe
    >life doesn't exist in a single one besides ours
    Filtered

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I just don't think 10^25 is enough rolls

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2 trillion+ integers in the countable set of natural number
      >fractions don't exist in a single one besides .000...

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can't explain this one without admitting there is a technological presence from elsewhere on this planet:

    >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_Cargo_Flight_1628_incident

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Mother fricker making this claim only cuz he knows his ass won’t live long enough to be disproven

    Here’s your You

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NOOO I DON'T WANNA BE IN BORING WORLD TO WAGEKEK TILL IM 70 WITHOUT ALIEN PUSSY. I FRICKING HATE YOU PEOPLE, ALL YOU DO IS MAKE EVERY MISERABLE!!!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I’m not OP but I’d rather die a virgin than get alien pussy.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Thomas_Schulz

        +

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Von Neumann was baptized a Catholic in 1930.[...] He confided to his mother, "There probably has to be a God. Many things are easier to explain if there is than if there isn't."

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I know this is a schizo post but that image perfectly represent how religion is bad nowadays, all it does is make people insane and cause wars which god is realer and better? while science literally is the reason why we can post on IQfy and have computers in the first place

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Science is the reason we can post on IQfy
        Anon, that's not an argument in favor of science.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Thomas_Schulz

          And if science, suppose, had not appeared without the participation of God? 😉

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's not necessarily true as there are life forms undetectable by us on this very planet. In fact every day the news is like "we found a new bug or some sea sponge don't take our grant money please". It's a little arrogant to think we could even detect technology that has been created after figuring out the mass effect of faster than light travel and harnessed dark matter.
    They wouldn't NEED to use radio telemetry or conventional propellants. In fact they could shield themselves from detection quite easily and even give false negatives. Our present day militaries are already capable of this.
    A civilization capable of harnessing gravity and light would be so completely beyond our capabilities that any theory we have about them might as well be a shit post on /x/.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Interstellar travel isn’t possible

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how would you know gay?

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