Altchans

Why are altchans so shit in 2020's?
I miss /tech/ how can we bring it back?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Me on the right.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      A bag of almonds?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      YWNBAW

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hot if male

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      me on top of you

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i miss the old autistic energy we had. Some of that energy had flown into me, making me a programming god. But now I am a complete failure. A turd of a man. A turd boy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      time to establish the turd reich

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I can't be autistic on other forums because then I'll just get banned.
      Nobody wants to maintain an altchan for autists because autism.
      Anime/porn ads is the only thing that can fund an altchan but those altchans have piracy threads.
      It's like chan culture wants to die. It has no sense of self preservation.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You're completely right. This is why I've been thinking that oldgays (I use that term loosely) have either become decrepit, drug addicted, fetishistic losers or they evolved into IRL gamers, gaming the system, companies, and fricking and sucking their way to success.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >fund an altchan
        How much would one for some autists cost? Provided it prevents too large files, certain types of files, and has some spam protection.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          literally nothing but time and like 5bux a month, don't know what he's on about

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I was co-admin of several larger forums and it was like $10/month hosted at a third party.
            I'm aware that a board with anonymous users needs to fight spam, illegal stuff, and various kinds of abuse differently.

            when you introduce making an account on to an anonymous message board, you unfortunately start to lose the appeal entirely.

            i dont want to log onto some pseudo IQfy website just to get banned when someone yells for a janny after a dozen stupid rules are inevitably added and enforced.

            the entire idea starts to devolve into reddit 2 once you consider the logistics.

            We ran forums for years and had great communities. Once you start gamifying user behavior (e.g. #likes, giving titles based on #posts) and provide good-boy-points privileges then it can turn unpleasant. Whether the forum is toxic (with accounts or none) is largely due to the admin/mods and the user base they allow, not whether there are accounts.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Whether the forum is toxic (with accounts or none) is largely due to the admin/mods and the user base they allow, not whether there are accounts.
            well that just isn't true, see https://wakaba.c3.cx/shii/

            speaking from experience, IQfy is a much less bitter environment than someplace like reddit, even though the site userbase probably has significant overlap. The reason for this entirely comes down to forum architecture / forum design, not the users you allow.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >It's like chan culture wants to die. It has no sense of self preservation.
        supposedly there's a new archive being built planning to store altchan data
        https://ultra.gondola.pics/info

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Impressive but no pictures ruins it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        a good altchan is a "small" altchan. no exceptions.

        >Nobody wants to maintain an altchan for autists because autism.
        these "autistic" altchans do exist.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >a good altchan is a "small" altchan. no exceptions
          true
          my favorite one has rarely more than a dozen users on at once and you can see posts being typed as they're being made, it's really cool
          also has a feature that lets all mp4 and webm files on the site play in a looping shared video player a la cytube

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            link me up pham I promise I'll be nice 🙂

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are altchans so shit in 2020's?
    Because no one cares anymore, oldgays are moving on and there's no newbies anymore.
    >I miss /tech/ how can we bring it back?
    You can't, "culture" has moved on.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      frick you talking about moved on?

      moved on where?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Heaven, anon.
        This site is 20 years old.
        Think of how many obesity related heart attacks happened.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          But do not weep for them. They get to shitpost in the big Mongolian basket weaving forum in the sky.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        maybe lemmy, maybe fediverse wotsity maybe tor or gemini. there needs to be "too hard for normies" hurdle to keep them out. it'll happen. maybe it already is like 90s usenet..

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >moved on where?
        IRL
        I'm an oldgay too, but like you, one of those left behind.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Kys iToddler

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >apple
      >has gf
      every time

      >image is about git
      >thread is about altchan
      >b-b-but muh apple
      kys
      I don't even use appleshit

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >apple
    >has gf
    every time

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wanna know how I know that you fell for the Axe body spray meme?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Everything gets raided and/or spammed with CP. I've seen this firsthand, even when captchas are on.
    You are going to call me moronic or leddit, but we need new moderation technology and strategies, ML or purely heuristic, whatever runs okay. Because the burden of maintaining an imageboard even the slightest bit worth fricking with becomes great. This is why the good altchans are no longer around (jannies quit, admins get tired) and why a lot of the existing ones are even worse than IQfy (unmaintained to the point where insects make it their hive)
    Alternatively, micropayment/crypto refundable stamps with sliding prices according to some "pressure" value, but obviously it's a bit much.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think someone should make a half-chan half-reddit.
      You need to create an account to post and everyone can make a board.
      But your posts are always Anonymous. Mods can only see your posts in their board. Only admins can see your posts in the entire site. Users don't know who other users are.
      That would keep chan culture alive while allowing moderation to take place.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        not even that. just have an account feature but nothing else changes.
        >https://codeberg.org/cirefl/yutai-invites
        someone shilled this on this board a while back, haven't tried it but looks interesting

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That sounds like a terrible fricking idea.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          IQfy sounds like a terrible fricking idea.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            when you introduce making an account on to an anonymous message board, you unfortunately start to lose the appeal entirely.

            i dont want to log onto some pseudo IQfy website just to get banned when someone yells for a janny after a dozen stupid rules are inevitably added and enforced.

            the entire idea starts to devolve into reddit 2 once you consider the logistics.

          • 1 month ago
            Sent from Linux

            >when you introduce making an account on to an anonymous message board, you unfortunately start to lose the appeal entirely.
            Not to me. To me the appeal of image boards is that I can say whatever I want in one thread without anyone knowing about my posts in another thread.
            Do I post in /misc/? In /vg/? In /lgbt/? You wouldn't know unless I told you in this post. You can't look in my profile. You can't see what posts I liked or retweeted. You can't see which anons I follow or what communities I joined. Or how many years I have been in this website.
            Am I even a human being? I could be a dog. You would never know.
            >the entire idea starts to devolve into reddit 2 once you consider the logistics.
            It takes a lot to devolve into reddit.

            >fund an altchan
            How much would one for some autists cost? Provided it prevents too large files, certain types of files, and has some spam protection.

            The main cost isn't the hosting, it's the janny time.
            If someone posts CP like

            Everything gets raided and/or spammed with CP. I've seen this firsthand, even when captchas are on.
            You are going to call me moronic or leddit, but we need new moderation technology and strategies, ML or purely heuristic, whatever runs okay. Because the burden of maintaining an imageboard even the slightest bit worth fricking with becomes great. This is why the good altchans are no longer around (jannies quit, admins get tired) and why a lot of the existing ones are even worse than IQfy (unmaintained to the point where insects make it their hive)
            Alternatively, micropayment/crypto refundable stamps with sliding prices according to some "pressure" value, but obviously it's a bit much.

            said, you have to forward IPs to the FBI. If your board is spammed, you have to deal with that. Internet never sleeps so you need someone on watch 24/7.
            If trolls raid your board and fill it with gore threads, even if you clean that up it will scare off some users. The longer you take to act the more users you lose. And altchans barely have any users to begin with so users are the one thing you can't afford to lose.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >sleeps so you need someone on watch 24/7
            All posts go to a waiting room until moderation signs back online. The board will be a lot slower. But honestly that's a good thing most of the time.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            im surprised this doesnt seem to get attempted much or some way for reported posts to instantly get hidden from the public in a moderation queue in that way during off hours.

            Never seen gore threads, but I've seen an imageboard that had been online for 13 years die to CP spam. The problem isn't that users leave because of it, the problem is that your host will pull the plug, as it did in this case with zero warning beforehand and without even providing the admin access to the site data anymore. Most hosts are more reasonable and give you a week or so to GTFO, but you'll get fricked either way. The alternative is of course hosting it at home, in which case you'll get a nice party van at your home because all of society agrees that possessing something unwillingly should get you 20 years in prison.

            Of course, that's if you even manage to get your imageboard off the ground. Someone made an attempt to revive the site I mentioned, but it couldn't even get its old userbase back. Getting a userbase for a new site is almost impossible nowadays. A while back, IQfy was tinkering with Tor site hosting, and we got anonymous chatboxes. But nobody used them. Either your site dies to inactivity, or it dies to CP spam. The web is specifically set up to prevent people from forming communities outside of the centralized services nowadays.

            >null.png
            what a nightmare

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What about image restrictions? I know it sounds awful, but hear me out. you have a pool of approved image hashes, and anything not recognized gets sent to a buffer/waiting room like suggests. you'd have to have some kind of DDoS protection for that but it doesn't necessarily have to be sophisticated. because the main problem is CP, gore, and other nasty stuff. Text spam is annoying, sure, but it doesn't scare off users as much. the image buffer would have to be manually approved, I don't think you can scan for CP hashes without making deals with the devil

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i dont think users would mind if it was clear it was just for hours the admin thought the website wouldnt be actively moderated
            if you had it running all day regardless then they would be very pissed off very quickly.

            the admins goal would still be to get a moderation team built up and lessen the restrictions further or remove the restrictions entirely.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, this + restricting links heavily might work. Could use an AI detection for NSFW content or just force a white list as annoying as that would be. Unrestricted posting is unsustainable unfortunately.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Unrestricted posting is unsustainable unfortunately.
            And all because of moronic laws making certain combinations of 1s and 0s illegal based on a combination of unproven assumptions and complete lies. It's not about protecting children. It's about weaponizing data.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >If someone posts CP
            This and other illegal material, yes.
            >forward IPs to the FBI.
            I'm not in the US. And I wouldn't host it in the EU either.
            >scare off some users.
            We're talking about chan autists, not normies.
            >altchans barely have any users to begin with so users are the one thing you can't afford to lose.
            Yes and no. I've seen various altchans that were dead-ish. Others that were slow but had good content. A large community isn't necessarily good or even needed.

            If I were to build a chan, it would focus on a narrow range of topics. Not one that runs the whole range of boards like this one. That way it might build a small community and if it grows we'll see further.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            off some users.
            >We're talking about chan autists, not normies.
            I'm a chan autist and every time someone posts gore in this site I have second thoughts about why the frick am I in this shithole to begin wtih.
            I don't want to see this shit. I'm here for the anime. Nobody wants to see this shit. If people didn't care about gore trolls wouldn't post gore.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not here for gore either. I learned to ignore what doesn't interest me. But I understand your issue.
            I'm aware that I'm limited and likely won't be able to provide a perfect experience if I were building a chan. And I'm unsure whether a more tightly controlled community would attract the right kinds of anons -- it might be worth a try, of course.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            nta; if you do end up going through with it, you must absolutely be prepared.

            Visit a chan for frens. Migrate there. They still have IP counters (except for onion posters. Who are encouraged)

            frens is a shithole.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >prepared
            Yeah. Any good pointers to modern chan tech/management?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >A large community isn't necessarily good or even needed.
            It's not about having a large community, it's about having someone other than yourself to talk to.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Never seen gore threads, but I've seen an imageboard that had been online for 13 years die to CP spam. The problem isn't that users leave because of it, the problem is that your host will pull the plug, as it did in this case with zero warning beforehand and without even providing the admin access to the site data anymore. Most hosts are more reasonable and give you a week or so to GTFO, but you'll get fricked either way. The alternative is of course hosting it at home, in which case you'll get a nice party van at your home because all of society agrees that possessing something unwillingly should get you 20 years in prison.

            Of course, that's if you even manage to get your imageboard off the ground. Someone made an attempt to revive the site I mentioned, but it couldn't even get its old userbase back. Getting a userbase for a new site is almost impossible nowadays. A while back, IQfy was tinkering with Tor site hosting, and we got anonymous chatboxes. But nobody used them. Either your site dies to inactivity, or it dies to CP spam. The web is specifically set up to prevent people from forming communities outside of the centralized services nowadays.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I honestly believe hosting such a thing but inside I2P would save it.
            I2P requires that you give bandwitch to the network, unlike Tor that any butthole can leech off without helping out the network. It would require way more resources and time to attack a board in any way.
            The technical part of changing a single browser setting filters out 100% of all low IQ morons.
            Somebody host a board on I2P and I will post on it every day.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Somebody host a board on I2P and I will post on it every day.
            There are a few last time I checked. Why aren't you there?

            >getting off ads
            This idea was actually very popular when crypto first came out, but was eventually pushed away because it got bad reputation from all the scammers and crypto bros trying to act like crypto was the next sliced bread. I did hear about a couple of sites doing this, but I think it would depend on the size of the site. I also did hear about some slow downs associated with it, but those miners ran all the time in the background of the site.
            [...]
            >I2P
            The problem with this is it is a meme. People don't want to use tor because of all the horror stories, now you want people to setup I2P just to access your chan. You multiply the visibility issue by two by choosing to go that route. You will only have people that know about I2P also know about your specific chan, and are willing to go through the work to get to it. That is basically nobody or a really small group making that chan dead on arrival. Any chan has to be on the public internet for it to actually not just be a very small niche group of friends using a weird messaging format.
            [...]
            >spammers use cloud services
            Thanks for spending thousands of dollars to help fund a site that is running off my home lab.
            >demasking your entire audience and not even making a profit
            That just sounds like a way to force pump etherum or to demask anons without adding any benefit to the site. You would only need a small amount of etherum to circumvent that form of security. Making wallets cost nothing and sending between wallets doesn't cost that much.

            >You will only have people that know about I2P also know about your specific chan, and are willing to go through the work to get to it.
            Sounds like the old internet. The biggest problem with I2P imo is how slow it is. Yggdrasil and Lokinet don't have that problem.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >why aren't you on them
            I haven't bothered setting up an I2P and I have not heard of any chans on I2P. Also probably wouldn't went to because on something like the dark web people would be more likely to spam CP.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >There are a few last time I checked. Why aren't you there?
            (Not that anon) What are the names of these? After reading through this thread I'd like to get into i2p and find some new sites to check out

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I've used it before, but even I don't feel like setting up i2p again. You have to dig a little on your own. Go through directories. Start here I guess:

            http://digitalsr.i2p/chanboards.html
            https://i2psearch.com/

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            At least Tor relay node software doesn't have an incredibly low bandwidth limit by default like i2p does

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i'll knock you out, mofo.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What? It's a real issue and an annoying one.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The web is specifically set up to prevent people from forming communities outside of the centralized services nowadays.
            What changed? Centralized services always existed. AOL, Myspace, Reddit, etc. But even with those, and way less people online overall, there was enough to go around for tons of forums to sprout up. What happened? Was it search engines hiding things?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That, plus various forms of discouraging self-hosting (there were tons of Neocities-like sites allowing you to host your own stuff, CGNAT prevents people from hosting from home, laws regarding what stuff is hosted on your servers got stricter and more commonly enforced, etc etc), as well as an increase in malicious (totally not state-funded) actors (performing CP spam, DDoS attacks, etc). The general atmosphere on the internet also changed completely, making it harder to form communities. The traditional forums that still exist are now far more hostile than they used to be in the past.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >an increase in malicious (totally not state-funded) actors (performing CP spam, DDoS attacks, etc)
            Can't protect against DDoS without paying a CDN, but I feel like when it comes to spam, a turning point is approaching. As AI gets better, that problem will go away.

            >The general atmosphere on the internet also changed completely, making it harder to form communities.
            Distrust? Complacency? Addiction to mindless content?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The social internet is self destructing at maximum velocity, and you can see this with zoomers being tech illiterate/adding reddit to google searches/wikipedia becoming more irrelevant/mismanaged and discords replacing wikis and this obsession over mindless slop content.

            The next step isnt to create another shitty dimeless imageboard on the regular web, it is to evolve into the decentralized age. You don't want to stay here at this point.
            You want to create the next platform where we all go to following the ideals we've been after. That's what you do when everything is self destructing all at once and that's what you NEED to do. Everyone who could care about this shit is being a fat fricking lazy bum.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >As AI gets better, that problem will go away.
            Do you really think governments will let that happen? What will happen is that AI-generated "child pornography" will become as illegal as CP, and they'll spam that instead. good luck reliably detecting that, because they can trivially customize it to evade the filters.

            >Distrust? Complacency? Addiction to mindless content?
            A general culture where you're socially rewarded for voicing the approved opinions of your social group and personally attacking opposing cultural groups. The habits from that also bleed beyond that visible virtue signaling, leading people to even tell others things like "have a nice day" (abbreviated; it's too common to spell out every time) outside of contexts where they're socially required to do so.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >What will happen is that AI-generated "child pornography" will become as illegal as CP
            That's already the case in many countries, if it's so realistic that it can't be distinguished from CP.
            The reason is that the courts don't want to deal with every pedo claiming "actually it's AI and you can't prove me wrong". To combat that, if it can't be proven whether it's AI or not, it gets treated exactly the same as CP

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >as AI gets better, the problem will go away
            Fair enough. Let's say your chan is equiped with an AI robo-janny that instantly deletes and bans cp. By that time you won't be able to filter trough the millions of human-like astro-turfing AI bots that shill and derail without posting cp. AI creates more problems than it solves.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've thought about implementing something sort of in line with this. The real issue is, that it's hard to pull new members to the site unless you have social normalgay levels of connections.

        when you introduce making an account on to an anonymous message board, you unfortunately start to lose the appeal entirely.

        i dont want to log onto some pseudo IQfy website just to get banned when someone yells for a janny after a dozen stupid rules are inevitably added and enforced.

        the entire idea starts to devolve into reddit 2 once you consider the logistics.

        No it doesn't. The karma system is what drives reddit behavior. Forums were never as bad, zoomzoom.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Forums were never as bad
          They were always pretty fricking bad dude

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So is this shithole. What is your point?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >So is this shithole
            Better than forums

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And why were forums bad?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            this site is pretty fricking bad most of the time lol

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >unless you have social normalgay levels of connections.
          honestly you have to wonder, why would someone make a website to talk to people *unless* they were hyper-social? I'd argue many of us altchan users are antisocial lurkers who don't start or lead conversations, but merely quip here and there

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The karma system is what drives reddit behavior
          No, moron, there's a lot worst stuff going on with reddit than karma. There's the fact that you can't reply to more than one user, that you can't have a threaded dialogue go for more than like 5 replies without being navigated to another page, the lack of a bump system which, the rule regulating rude language (this is the kiss of death)! You are so fricking naive if you think reddit is bad because of karma. It's far worse than you know.

          I think someone should make a half-chan half-reddit.
          You need to create an account to post and everyone can make a board.
          But your posts are always Anonymous. Mods can only see your posts in their board. Only admins can see your posts in the entire site. Users don't know who other users are.
          That would keep chan culture alive while allowing moderation to take place.

          >need to create an account to post
          Not unless jim has lost his mind no. I think that's what masterchan was like.

          First of all, regarding accounts, see https://wakaba.c3.cx/shii/ you moron

          Second of all subredditizing IQfy boards is the design of 8 and it was terrible. Part of what makes IQfy work is the need for conflict, the threads which thrive are the ones with people arguing in them, threads where everyone agrees die quickly because nobody bumps them. This doesn't work if people aren't forced into a small number topical boards, because anyone can just make /newpol12/ instead of having to engage with the people in /newpol11/.

          I can't believe you morons actually think subredditizing IQfy boards improves the site. It's the worst idea ever.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You are disregarding user demand there though. People want more nuanced persistence than just boards, that's why we have generals. I agree that open-ended user boards are a bad idea for similar reasons though: posters being funneled into topical chokepoints leads to cross-fertilization while diffuse micro communities with rigid borders lead to stagnation. See the april fools boards like fitlit or mlpol for examples at the logical extreme. See early /b/. Don't see: diffuse AI generals everywhere that are completely insular and would be better served getting their own board - responding to demand as it EMERGES is important when deciding against user boards.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, sure, new boards should be created when the demand is there. But this is a really delicate situation, since doing this can easily shatter an existing board culture if you're not careful. Lots of people on IQfy wish there was an exclusively math board in addition to the science board, but I think this would leave IQfy a shell of its former self.

            I never browsed IQfy, but it seems to be a very different place than it used to be before the creation of /vg/. I recently got into gamedev and it really makes me wish there was a dedicated board for that, I don't think this would hurt any existing board cultures. I guess what I'm saying is that a board needs its own culture more than anything else, and this culture is fragile.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The solution to this is that boards should be able to overlap. Many /math/ threads belong in IQfy, but some users don't care about the rest of IQfy. Fine. Only browse /math/. Each thread can be posted in whatever boards are appropriate, and board users should be able to tag relevant threads in from other boards. Is this too radical for you autists? This also solves a bunch of the problems other anons are talking about with reddit being too segregated into little hugboxes, splitting boards, "you shouldn't post that here" and such.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Second of all subredditizing IQfy boards is the design of 8 and it was terrible.
            There was nothing wrong with having usermade boards and I'm sick of you miserable sour grapes sufferers claiming it was "reddit" just because someone could make a board for a topic they wanted instead of hoping and pleading for hiroshimoot to make /ai/ and /eceleb/, which never come to fruition.
            >IQfy thrives on needless arguing
            Now I know you're a newbie.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >There was nothing wrong with having usermade boards
            It resulted in THREE separate politics boards in the top 10, continuously raiding and radicalizing each other, as if a single /misc/ wasn't enough cancer.
            >s-sour grapes!
            I was there from the first days (and got to laugh at Bui and the /furry/ spam wars), I was on a good chunk of bunkers and revivals afterwards (RIP julay dot world, you were the comfiest one), and I still haven't completely given up on altchans.
            Refusing to learn from mistakes doesn't magically make things better.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >there's a lot worst stuff going on with reddit than karma... It's far worse than you know.
            You're an expert, huh?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anyone who differentiates between user boards and admin is a powertrip waiting to happen. Being an admin or a mod isn't special. The only good reason to not allow user created boards is keep certain topics off your imageboard. Doing it to protect your core boards is self-defeating defeat. If they are vulnerable to major splits, they're not being run properly in the first place.

            >There was nothing wrong with having usermade boards
            It resulted in THREE separate politics boards in the top 10, continuously raiding and radicalizing each other, as if a single /misc/ wasn't enough cancer.
            >s-sour grapes!
            I was there from the first days (and got to laugh at Bui and the /furry/ spam wars), I was on a good chunk of bunkers and revivals afterwards (RIP julay dot world, you were the comfiest one), and I still haven't completely given up on altchans.
            Refusing to learn from mistakes doesn't magically make things better.

            >It resulted in THREE separate politics boards in the top 10
            That's a disingenuous way to portray what happened. I'm not sure whether you're referring to the gamergate or news boards or as the third politics board, but they, /leftypol/ and /misc/ were barely involved with each other. Raids between boards were almost entirely organized by /intl/ at the behest of hotwheels, before he turned on them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you can't reply to more than one user, that you can't have a threaded dialogue go for more than like 5 replies without being navigated to another page, the lack of a bump system which, the rule regulating rude language
            None of these are "features" of traditional boards either. They're not intrinsic to an account system, which is what that anon was defending.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >None of these are "features" of traditional boards either.
            It was in response to the other guy's claim that the issues with reddit stem from the karma system.

            >They're not intrinsic to an account system
            The account system is addressed in that link. It's a classic essay about chans and anonymity, and covers why registration is a bad idea.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The account system is addressed in that link.
            I've read it before and I think it's outdated. While it's true there's a limit to how much people with something to contribute will go just to post, account creation isn't that limit. Account creation is ubiquitous on the internet now, and forums about technical subjects do(did) in fact have competent users.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't that just 8-kunt?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >need to create an account to post
          Not unless jim has lost his mind no. I think that's what masterchan was like.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think you could have "accounts" that are just limited tokens that can only be generated every so often. So only one account can be claimed per ip per period or something.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Spammed with CP
      I have thought that maybe you could create an AI that could determine the probability of an image containing a minor and create another one that detects if an image is sexual content and then use both of them on incoming images. If both were detected then the image wouldn't be saved to the site. In the cases that something was missing you could take the image and get a hash of it that you could check when getting new images. You could also use the image in a third AI as training material to better detect holes. The spammers would then eventually train the AI to be good enough to prevent then from spamming.
      >spammers
      I would force users to create a token using proof of work. Then they would be allowed to use that token to post as much as they liked. If they got reported a bunch or had spam like material the token would get banned and they would be forced to generate another one. I would then use the work they were putting in to mine crypto currency defeating the point of spamming as each time they did it they would be helping fund the site. I would also include a small proof of work function on post this would put a higher load on mass posters vs most poster who would only be posting a few times. I think I would also have a list of popular copypastas and assign post a likeness score compared to the copy pasta. If this score exceeded a threshold it would be marked as an offense and enough of those could warrant a ban.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This actually isn't a bad idea.

        When using blockchain tech like this, how does the processing happen on the client end exactly? Is this built into browsers or what?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You would do this by creating two test loads with known expected results. The test load have to both be of random lengths. You then send one load at the beginning a real load and then the second test load. If the beginning or end are bad you just reject the user. If they are good then you validate the the users. You can usually do this in a JS library. Here is nonblockchain example of this https://mcaptcha.org/

          Instead of doing proof of work, just require a deposit (like a fancier IQfy pass that's refundable) of actual money. Using proof of work as a stand-in for $ is pointless, as spammers can access the same compute as regular users for cheap.

          >Just have them send money
          The problem with this, is this makes you subject to know your customer laws which will force you to defeat your own anonymity. The only way to run an anonymous service is to basically not have logs or very short lived logs.

          >running proof of work for 6 hours to post
          Neither is this

          >running proof of work for 6 hours to post
          >Neither is this
          You don't wait for them to get a hit you just send them a load that can be calculated in a reasonable amount of time. The first proof of work applications were specifically designed to reduce email spam because spamming cost the spammer more per payload sent while not really effecting the average user.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You don't wait for them to get a hit you just send them a load that can be calculated in a reasonable amount of time.
            The problem is that "reasonable" usually means "cheap", and spammers can rent computer just the same. It would raise the cost slightly, but you need something that can scale dynamically to price out the spammers and this solution would quickly reach the level of computation time where normal users won't bother.

            >this makes you subject to know your customer laws which will force you to defeat your own anonymity
            That's why you use cryptocurrency. You can implement all the logic in an ethereum smart contract, which gives the added benefit of letting users get refunds even if the admin dies.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >usually means cheap
            How long did you wait to post that. About 30 seconds with the captcha wait time and then another 5 solving the actual captcha. The users are willing to wait a bit to post and if it was a serious issue you could implement post limits that were tied to a short duration like a minute. I have a token they need to post. If the system detects that just drop the token. Also the goal isn't to stop all spam just reduce it to a level that isn't annoying. Obviously this would take some tweaking.
            >using smart contracts
            My problem with that is the unneeded work that come with that and how effective it would actually be. Your solution forces anons to acquire crypto currency, send it to a known address just to have it sent back to them. This sounds easy for the spammer to circumvent while basically unmasking any anon that actually wanted to use the service as you could track them buying the crypto from the exchange and sending it to the site. Then getting it back in a predictable manner.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >How long did you wait to post that. About 30 seconds with the captcha wait time and then another 5 solving the actual captcha.
            I'm not some pleb who would subject myself to the captcha bullshit. Buy a pass. PoW just raises the cost to spam by burning CPU cycles as a substitute for money, but the problem is that CPU cycles are extremely cheap these days. Spammers outsourcing to cloud services have a huge advantage over users running on laptops or phones.

            >you could track them buying the crypto from the exchange and sending it to the site
            Anons can be as anon as they want to be. It's easy to cut the trail of crypto, for those who are paranoid enough to want that. Anons already buy IQfy pass, which requires crypto.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >mogs your operation by shadow banning your token and just collecting the free mining work

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            https://archive.is/caFO6
            That's been done successfully.

            >running proof of work for 6 hours to post
            Neither is this

            >People sending money...
            This isn't going to fly.

            Instead of doing proof of work, just require a deposit (like a fancier IQfy pass that's refundable) of actual money. Using proof of work as a stand-in for $ is pointless, as spammers can access the same compute as regular users for cheap.

            This actually isn't a bad idea.

            When using blockchain tech like this, how does the processing happen on the client end exactly? Is this built into browsers or what?

            Antispam is the single most important part of setting up a successful altchan community. If anyone is considering doing so, figure this out first.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >That's why you use cryptocurrency. You can implement all the logic in an ethereum smart contract, which gives the added benefit of letting users get refunds even if the admin dies.
            I considered doing something like this using BCH at one point.
            Tx fees are cheap enough and forfeiting any deposit upon infringing material back to the miners (to kill incentive for fabricating infringements).
            I still think it's a decent idea.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Instead of doing proof of work, just require a deposit (like a fancier IQfy pass that's refundable) of actual money. Using proof of work as a stand-in for $ is pointless, as spammers can access the same compute as regular users for cheap.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >People sending money...
          This isn't going to fly.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >running proof of work for 6 hours to post
            Neither is this

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This actually isn't a bad idea.

        When using blockchain tech like this, how does the processing happen on the client end exactly? Is this built into browsers or what?

        https://archive.is/caFO6
        That's been done successfully.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This actually isn't a bad idea.

        When using blockchain tech like this, how does the processing happen on the client end exactly? Is this built into browsers or what?

        You would do this by creating two test loads with known expected results. The test load have to both be of random lengths. You then send one load at the beginning a real load and then the second test load. If the beginning or end are bad you just reject the user. If they are good then you validate the the users. You can usually do this in a JS library. Here is nonblockchain example of this https://mcaptcha.org/
        [...]
        >Just have them send money
        The problem with this, is this makes you subject to know your customer laws which will force you to defeat your own anonymity. The only way to run an anonymous service is to basically not have logs or very short lived logs.
        [...]
        >running proof of work for 6 hours to post
        >Neither is this
        You don't wait for them to get a hit you just send them a load that can be calculated in a reasonable amount of time. The first proof of work applications were specifically designed to reduce email spam because spamming cost the spammer more per payload sent while not really effecting the average user.

        [...]
        https://archive.is/caFO6
        That's been done successfully.

        This makes me wonder: currently websites primarily use ad-based revenue models, and those are dominant because they don't cost the end-user money in a perceivable way and can be used without hindering the user's experience too much (though they've been pushing it too far in recent years and adblocking has become common). Could forcing users to do a tiny bit of crypto mining per visit be a feasible alternative revenue model? You could force proof of work challenges just to discourage bot posting, but you could also make money off of it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >but you could also make money off of it.
          You wouldn't make any money off the small computations users would provide. It takes an average CPU a whole day to mine ~5 cents of monero.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So if every pageview results in an average of 60 seconds of background mining, you get a cent per 288 pageviews?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >getting off ads
          This idea was actually very popular when crypto first came out, but was eventually pushed away because it got bad reputation from all the scammers and crypto bros trying to act like crypto was the next sliced bread. I did hear about a couple of sites doing this, but I think it would depend on the size of the site. I also did hear about some slow downs associated with it, but those miners ran all the time in the background of the site.

          I honestly believe hosting such a thing but inside I2P would save it.
          I2P requires that you give bandwitch to the network, unlike Tor that any butthole can leech off without helping out the network. It would require way more resources and time to attack a board in any way.
          The technical part of changing a single browser setting filters out 100% of all low IQ morons.
          Somebody host a board on I2P and I will post on it every day.

          >I2P
          The problem with this is it is a meme. People don't want to use tor because of all the horror stories, now you want people to setup I2P just to access your chan. You multiply the visibility issue by two by choosing to go that route. You will only have people that know about I2P also know about your specific chan, and are willing to go through the work to get to it. That is basically nobody or a really small group making that chan dead on arrival. Any chan has to be on the public internet for it to actually not just be a very small niche group of friends using a weird messaging format.

          >How long did you wait to post that. About 30 seconds with the captcha wait time and then another 5 solving the actual captcha.
          I'm not some pleb who would subject myself to the captcha bullshit. Buy a pass. PoW just raises the cost to spam by burning CPU cycles as a substitute for money, but the problem is that CPU cycles are extremely cheap these days. Spammers outsourcing to cloud services have a huge advantage over users running on laptops or phones.

          >you could track them buying the crypto from the exchange and sending it to the site
          Anons can be as anon as they want to be. It's easy to cut the trail of crypto, for those who are paranoid enough to want that. Anons already buy IQfy pass, which requires crypto.

          >spammers use cloud services
          Thanks for spending thousands of dollars to help fund a site that is running off my home lab.
          >demasking your entire audience and not even making a profit
          That just sounds like a way to force pump etherum or to demask anons without adding any benefit to the site. You would only need a small amount of etherum to circumvent that form of security. Making wallets cost nothing and sending between wallets doesn't cost that much.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you get it down to 95% or better and keep questionable content on hold for a human to check, you're probably already there to run your site somewhat continuously.

        [...]
        [...]
        [...]
        This makes me wonder: currently websites primarily use ad-based revenue models, and those are dominant because they don't cost the end-user money in a perceivable way and can be used without hindering the user's experience too much (though they've been pushing it too far in recent years and adblocking has become common). Could forcing users to do a tiny bit of crypto mining per visit be a feasible alternative revenue model? You could force proof of work challenges just to discourage bot posting, but you could also make money off of it.

        Just stick to passes. Enough people need their blingbling "since number", no captcha and secretx club.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Block ALL American, Indian and Farican IPs. Watch the CP spam drop to 0.1%

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        according to some imageboard owners I know, most of the pizza spam comes from russian IPs

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          why though

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            because, despite what the conspiracy theorists will tell you, they're not organized raids from the FBI or whatever to shut down wrongthink imageboards, they're from people who're actually trying to sell that garbage, and russia's cp laws are lax and poorly enforced

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I can see that, but it's not the point.
            So many sites dying or becoming unusable in a matter of a year or two is a clear indicator that the ecosystem is fricked.

            [...]
            Some are selling CP (legal in Russia by the way) so they advertise it.
            Some are putting pressure on the admin to sell, a la Kuz.
            Some just want to ruin things for everyone else.

            It's not our governments which happen to be continuously weakening legal protections and increasing legal responsibility for what others post on your site (alongside various other efforts to push everyone onto centralized five eyes-controlled and Cloudflare-MITMed sites), it's THE RUSSIANS (you know, our mortal enemy that is attacking Ukraine right now!) that keep posting spam advertising obvious CP honeypots, it's part of the totally real multi-billion dollar CP industry!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why would they spam then? Why would they give away their product for free? I think the problem with most people is they think conspiracy is impossible. If the motivation exists and the likelihood of getting caught is low people will do things that are illegal to further their ends. If your political rivals are organizing on a forum and you can get rid of that forum or disrupt it so that they can no longer effectively organize and you'll have plausible deniability why wouldn't you do that, especially if you thought the ends justified the means? I think you forgot about the JFK assignation, bay of pigs, watergate, snowden revelations, Obama spying on Trumps political campaign, the weaponization of the IRS, or Biden quid pro quo. The government never stopped pulling off conspiracies and it is baffling to me how some people can still act like being conspiratorial is unreasonable with all the actual conspiracies happening.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >JFK assassination
            Plausibly deed of a single guy, no conspiracy involved by all we know
            >Bay of Pigs
            ? It was a military operation by unorthodox means, not exactly conspiritorial
            >Watergate
            Absolutely granted and the only good example
            >Snowden
            Too easily rationalized by ""legitimate"" state interests that are easily communicable
            >the rest
            No idea

            You will be more believable if you don't buzzwordmaxx with little rhyme or apparent reason. Military or law enforcement operations being clandestine =/= conspiracy. The fact that the US government actually publishes most docs after a few decades is a strong counter argument.
            Watergate is the only good illustration out of this lineup that illustrates that power that can is power that will.

            The argument against CP spam being conducted by glowies is that it's not worth it on altchans, especially when this dump is allowed to exist. Occams fricking razor.
            >Why would they spam
            Because they are fishing for moronic new customers. They are likely not even in the business of actual cp and just try to scam morons with the 5 images they have, because why bother providing a service already paid for by people who REALLY can't go tot he police and report you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Bay of pigs
            Unsanctioned action on foreign soil that almost caused a war and lead to the Cuban missile crisis. The president himself didn't know about it.
            >Snowden
            The government illegally violating the 4th amendment for all citizens. The patriot act only dictates that you could listen in on US citizens talking to foreign nationals. People would say the government was listening in all the time before that happened and everyone called the conspiracy theorist. The retroactive rewriting of history to pretend like this wasn't a conspiracy is laughable.
            >Weaponization of the IRS
            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy
            During the Obama tenure the IRS targeted GOP political groups and put them under biased scrutiny in an attempt to limit the funding to the opposition party. That is a conspiracy.
            >Biden Quid pro Quo
            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132
            During the Obama years Joe Bidens son got on the board of a Ukrainian oil company and was going to be investigated for corruption. Biden allegedly threatened to deny Ukraine aide if the prosecutor was not replaced. This was further backed up when his son left a laptop at a repair shop and on that laptop was evidence that Biden was selling American influence in exchange for money and position. This information was then suppressed during the 2020 elections. Right now the FBI is planning to move forward on an investigation of Hunter Biden. What is interesting about this is that hunter never had a history of running an oil company before he was selected to be on its board and paid generously for it.
            >Why do it for altchans and not here
            They don't do it here because this is easier to monitor than an altchan. Dumping on an altchan cost them nothing and prevents the community from getting fragmented. They don't want fragmentation because when they weren't monitoring IQfy a bunch of crazy shit came out of this place including government leaks.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Bay of Pigs
            >The president himself didn't know about it.
            Untrue. Was planned and set in motion by Eisenhower but ultimately approved by Kennedy.
            >Snowden
            Not as much a conspiracy as your IC running wild on bull-eyed patriotism. Read Snowdens autobiography for an insight into the culture. It's not a conspiracy if an agency simply runs amok doing its "job" with a silo mindset.
            >The others
            Thank you, I will look into it

            >this is easier to monitor than an altchan
            Definitely. I would also assume this place is very very cooperative.
            >Dumping on an altchan cost them nothing
            Untrue. You disregard that ordering someone to dump CP on hobbyist websites (which, at the end of the day, all of us weebgays are) has many ways to blow up in their face. Imagine a Snowden leak but its "the government weaponized CP. I would not want to order that lmfao
            >They don't want fragmentation
            With their resources, they can get a hold of new chans before the users can. Even disregarding initiatives like https://vc.gg/blog/goodshitposter.html (dont know if anything ever came of that). The surveillance machine is so large they can aggregate their data regardless of where it is hosted.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >not a conspiracy
            It is if they gather the information on people. They basically null and voided the 4th amendment. The gathering of peoples private communications without a warrant is illegal. Even under the actual patriot act what they are doing is illegal. Sure they have the FISA courts, but getting a warrant after the fact is not how our justice system works. You have to have a warrant before tapping someone's line.
            >would not want to order that
            Snowden was low level. I am sure they have the more senior level people doing the dumping and I am sure it is probably just a script that points to an IP. I mean the CIA has a department of memes specifically so they can control narratives on sites like these. You think they would be above nuking a site with that crap to get it taken down. I mean they have done far worse without getting caught.
            >They can
            Sure, but that makes more work and decentralization efforts means more problems for stuff on their side. Its easier to just try to keep everyone in the same place and just monitor that place.
            >one thing I forgot
            Here is a source on Obama spying on trumps campaign. https://archive.is/goOTP
            This is from the WSJ, but the story is pay walled so this is the non pay walled version.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You disregard that ordering someone to dump CP on hobbyist websites (which, at the end of the day, all of us weebgays are) has many ways to blow up in their face. Imagine a Snowden leak but its "the government weaponized CP. I would not want to order that lmfao
            Even Snowden leaks barely did anything, and that involved literally everyone. People are more open to government surveillance than ever before. The risk of this blowing up in their faces is a lot smaller, and the consequences a lot milder. In addition, they've become much better at controlling the narrative since then (see e.g. the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop controversy, which ended up barely making a splash).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Why altchans continued
            Why would they do it on altchans with no community. It would take more effort than it was worth. How many people are on a new altchan? Like 4 then you spam it with that crap and it goes down to zero. That doesn't sound like a good marketing plan, but does sound like an excellent way a new chan doesn't get popular.

            yeah sure but I don't think people are using public imageboards to organize, specially not in any way that would threaten the government. a guy just selling cp sounds more plausible
            read about operation gladio, these internet groups can at most intimidate the political establishment, but they are not a threat to the real power (property owners). remember the gretchen whitmer kidnapping plot? that's the type of things these people do

            >People won't use a public image board to organize
            >forgets about the Arab spring that occurred because their government weren't monitoring social media

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm saying this precisely because of shit like the arab spring. it was a creation of the cia and big tech

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >especially when this dump is allowed to exist. Occams fricking razor.
            IQfy is allowed to exist because it's under glowie control. That's precisely why they want to kill other imageboards, so the cattle goes back to their pen where they can be monitored and influenced properly.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >They are likely not even in the business of actual cp and just try to scam morons with the 5 images they have
            Oh? This is completely different from the argument you previously gave, which was that they had plenty of CP because it was legal in Russia (refuted in

            He's bullshitting. Even storing it isn't legal since the 2nd half of 2010s. Making of the usual porn isn't legal there de-jure as well. Moreover, there are cases of blocking websites out-of-court on the grounds of them hosting CP with the materials in question being hentai and MLP porn (horses are under 18yo and we know you see it as humans - literal excuse).
            I know CP and gore wipes were real in, say, 2010, that time is long gone.

            ) so they were legitimately selling it. Why spam CP specifically and not things more people would fall for?

            >its not a conspiracy because we knew
            We actually did not know and it went beyond the powers they were granted by law(patriot act) that makes it a conspiracy. I mean why do you think snowden is considered a criminal? He leaked information about how they were illegally spying on citizens.
            >wasting top agents time
            I am sure their dossing shit is all modular. They have some intern write the code to post to the altchan and then they plug that into their spam shit and some upper level guy starts the job to spam the board. He doesn't monitor it, it just runs on a server until he gets and order to turn it off. Which really wouldn't require that much of his time.
            >image boards no longer top of the food chain
            Doesn't mean they'll stop monitoring them. I am pretty sure most of this stuff is just monitored using AI that is searching for keywords. Those keywords probably send an alert for someone to view the page if a threshold is crossed. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a glowie monitoring this entire conversation.

            >I wouldn't be surprised if there was a glowie monitoring this entire conversation.
            I think there's a lot more going on here than just monitoring.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >This is completely different from the argument you previously gave
            I decided against responding for another round because I added my perspective and you are free to argue against it.
            However I want to point out that's not the same poster and I never mentioned Russia, though I believe the spammers to be economically motivated.
            >Why spam CP specifically and not things more people would fall for?
            Supply and demand.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah sure but I don't think people are using public imageboards to organize, specially not in any way that would threaten the government. a guy just selling cp sounds more plausible
            read about operation gladio, these internet groups can at most intimidate the political establishment, but they are not a threat to the real power (property owners). remember the gretchen whitmer kidnapping plot? that's the type of things these people do

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >operation gladio
            Please explain how a cold war stay-behind network relates to any of this.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it wasn't a mere network, it was a political network in which the intelligence agencies of various countries created, financed and controlled different right-wing groups, and not just in case of a soviet invasion - it had peace-time political objectives
            and it wasn't limited to the cold war: we know it existed, but there is no reason to believe it ever stopped

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >it was a political network
            No, it was recruited from people who were
            A: able to fight and experienced
            B: natives of the recently occupied countries
            Who fits those criteria at the time those networks were created? Right wing militants, former soldiers (same thing in that place and time). Them diffusing back out and picking up old connections as oversight diminishes was to be expected, but likely not by design.
            You have a point that they armed and perhaps created right wing groups, but that was not why they did it, it was a "necessary evil" against the prospect of soviet invasion.
            >peace-time political objectives
            Allegedly. We do not know that. And it isn't a leap to assume those groups, armed by the US, ran amok on their own in Italy, especially with the climate being what it was from both sides of the spectrum in the years of lead.

            >we know it existed, but there is no reason to believe it ever stopped
            Yes there is. Their total absence in the way right wing militants organize in europe nowadays. Even if they were all perfectly apathetic like Evola concluded there would be an impact of their caches, outside support, etc.
            Right wing (and left wing) terror in Europe doesn't leave much to the imagination if you actually familiarize yourself with it.
            You are taking, in my opinion, historical fact and extrapolating it to fit a more exciting world view that is contrary to established fact. That structural observation is reinforced by you then extrapolating that into a discussion about alternative anime websites somehow. Love my schizobros but you are leaping too far.

            If I am wrong and you can substantiate this I am more than willing to listen though.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not that anon, but I think the point is not that gladio is still going, but that IC interventions in underground politics are ongoing. I can't substantiate this but it seems obvious in the anglosphere at least that the scenes are heavily influenced by various IC ops trying to destroy uncontrolled groups, astroturf or build up controlled or harmless alternatives, etc.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They are, but not to the degree of state sponsored terrorism. Quite the opposite, it's about prevention mostly. Though I am not intimately acquainted with either side of that shadow conflict I know how many terror attacks happen in Europe and where they come from ideologically.

            brother europe is full of these militias, what do you think azov was, before the war? every 5 years there is some minor scandal in germany because something like half of their soldier are in some sort of underground militia. and that's only because they can't technically do that, the french and italians do it openly

            Militias existing =/= state sponsoring. I know groups exist and network with one another, I was disputing that they are all state sponsored.
            >Germany
            No. I happen to follow that quite closely and it is almost always one of the following:
            >someone did the nazi salute out of idiotic exuberance or sent a spicy meme in a group chat
            >some lone wolf smuggled out ammunition and go caught
            It's not a main stream thing among soldiers, though I perceive them to be somewhat more prone to the sort of ideological influence than the mean that isn't exactly hard in germany. Equating any form of chauvinist esprit de corp with terrorist militias isn't realistic or fair.

            >not a conspiracy
            It is if they gather the information on people. They basically null and voided the 4th amendment. The gathering of peoples private communications without a warrant is illegal. Even under the actual patriot act what they are doing is illegal. Sure they have the FISA courts, but getting a warrant after the fact is not how our justice system works. You have to have a warrant before tapping someone's line.
            >would not want to order that
            Snowden was low level. I am sure they have the more senior level people doing the dumping and I am sure it is probably just a script that points to an IP. I mean the CIA has a department of memes specifically so they can control narratives on sites like these. You think they would be above nuking a site with that crap to get it taken down. I mean they have done far worse without getting caught.
            >They can
            Sure, but that makes more work and decentralization efforts means more problems for stuff on their side. Its easier to just try to keep everyone in the same place and just monitor that place.
            >one thing I forgot
            Here is a source on Obama spying on trumps campaign. https://archive.is/goOTP
            This is from the WSJ, but the story is pay walled so this is the non pay walled version.

            >It is if they gather the information on people.
            No. I agree that it is insufferable and a violation of ethics and law but you can't call every clandestine operation a conspiracy. Some degree of secrecy is necessary to get anything done as a state.
            Imagine if the SWAT teams had to live broadcast their location because otherwise they would be keeping information from the people.
            Fun fact: in sweden everyone (even children) is doxxed by default because all government documents are open. So some level of government intransparency is desirable if you try to maximize for privacy.
            >I am sure they have the more senior level people doing the dumping
            Those would be some very qualified, high paid people doing some very low-impact work.
            Imageboards aren't even at the top of the foodchain for extremist online content anymore, it's telegram (morons cant into opsec)

            >more info
            Thanks, I'll reed

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >its not a conspiracy because we knew
            We actually did not know and it went beyond the powers they were granted by law(patriot act) that makes it a conspiracy. I mean why do you think snowden is considered a criminal? He leaked information about how they were illegally spying on citizens.
            >wasting top agents time
            I am sure their dossing shit is all modular. They have some intern write the code to post to the altchan and then they plug that into their spam shit and some upper level guy starts the job to spam the board. He doesn't monitor it, it just runs on a server until he gets and order to turn it off. Which really wouldn't require that much of his time.
            >image boards no longer top of the food chain
            Doesn't mean they'll stop monitoring them. I am pretty sure most of this stuff is just monitored using AI that is searching for keywords. Those keywords probably send an alert for someone to view the page if a threshold is crossed. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a glowie monitoring this entire conversation.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I wouldn't be surprised if there was a glowie monitoring this entire conversation.
            I want a fcking job offer already, it isn't fair that all the American 2000s skiddies got hired instead of going to prison
            >I am sure their dossing shit is all modular
            Yeah for sure, that argument of mine is refuted, we know that's how it works.
            >foodchain
            I meant in regards to content generated, people networked and low budget public relations done. It's all on telegram now, from what I've seen. There are some outposts like a certain thread on /wsg/ but even those refer to telegram all the time.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            brother europe is full of these militias, what do you think azov was, before the war? every 5 years there is some minor scandal in germany because something like half of their soldier are in some sort of underground militia. and that's only because they can't technically do that, the french and italians do it openly

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/03/a-look-at-the-cias-internal-dank-meme-division/

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          because, despite what the conspiracy theorists will tell you, they're not organized raids from the FBI or whatever to shut down wrongthink imageboards, they're from people who're actually trying to sell that garbage, and russia's cp laws are lax and poorly enforced

          Assuming an adversary with malicious intent, which CP spam categorically falls under, IP country of origin means nothing. It just means that their proxies are sending requests from there.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i'm still surprised there hasn't been a text-only chan.

      it would solve this issue instantly.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There have text boards for over 25 years.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          anonymous ones with post ID's.
          show me.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://ayashii.net/
            https://asahi.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/newsplus/1710229914

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            step in the right direction, now make it a full blown english IQfy clone with different boards, catalog, filter support, etc. etc.

            make it good enough so people are willing to switch. id's for every board would already be a big boon + 1hour timeouts for thread creation would go a long way.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >1hour timeouts for thread creation
            have a nice day

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            shill confirmed

            no normal user needs to spam threads.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i'm not waiting an entire hour to post a thread. throw yourself into oncoming traffic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            semantics...
            you post your first thread instantly, then have to wait one hour to post your second.
            if that is a problem for you, you're part of the problem.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How is it a problem if I create a thread on one board and then create one twenty minutes later as long as it is on-topic, or god forbid I use another board?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            there might be lenience in crossplatform posting. but why attack this policy so much?

            the problem with todays IQfy is the incessant shilling, fake threads, bots. making it nearly unusable.

            if a little bit of patience can resolve this, any sane person would agree to said policy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            because it's a policy that strikes down good quality posters to take down shills/shitposters. The thread ip 5 minute cooldown buffer didnt do jackshit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            so for a handful of so called 'quality posters' who need to spam their threads, which is extremely doubtful to begin with, we should remove a policy that prohibits everyone spamming whatever and whenever they want.

            lol no.

            we should embellish on the policy. make it harder, make repeating threads, generals excluded, a ban-able offense. the amount of repeated/duplicated threads with exactly the same wording and/or image alone are so unnecessary. i can only hope they are made by a bot, if it were a person it would be beyond sad.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            semantics...
            you post your first thread instantly, then have to wait one hour to post your second.
            if that is a problem for you, you're part of the problem.

            There's no point having a thread cooldown if it doesn't apply for the first thread. People will just switch IPs to post new threads.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Everything gets raided and/or spammed with CP. I've seen this firsthand, even when captchas are on.
      This... rip nano.
      There are a few good altchans left that I know of (one on the clearweb even), but after they are gone I probably won't search for new ones again.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        damn, didn't know nano fell. I missed the boat because I was exclusively a phone poster during that period

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If not for the risk of viruses the only way I can see around the issue is that you host the images separately that you allow your users to use. At that point setting it up sounds like a pain but you can generally control the flow of images outright even if its limited in usage. Conversely you can also point to other image hosting providers to fill in that gap also. Or if there was a AI to ASCII generator i bet that would be decent way to convert images in a safer manner even if its bullshit spam.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      honestly SA might have had the right model all along. Force people to pay $5-$10 to make an account and you'll severely cut down the amount of spammers and underageb&

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, this is the only way. The only way to defeat spam is to turn spam into money, then pay jannies (I know, I know) to deal with what gets through. You turn spam into money by doing this

        >You don't wait for them to get a hit you just send them a load that can be calculated in a reasonable amount of time.
        The problem is that "reasonable" usually means "cheap", and spammers can rent computer just the same. It would raise the cost slightly, but you need something that can scale dynamically to price out the spammers and this solution would quickly reach the level of computation time where normal users won't bother.

        >this makes you subject to know your customer laws which will force you to defeat your own anonymity
        That's why you use cryptocurrency. You can implement all the logic in an ethereum smart contract, which gives the added benefit of letting users get refunds even if the admin dies.

        , then the more spammers try to attack the more money you make the more moderation you can afford. Classic judo.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        First you need people. No one will pay to use an empty site. SA was already "the place to be". The alternative to paying was going to less active, less desirable places.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        SA was so perfect that moot felt the need to create a different site where fun was actually allowed.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You're saying this despite the actual fricking state of SA today? Drooling moron.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Frick off lowtax.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Lowtax killed himself, homosexual.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No I didn't.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thankfully.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Why are altchans so shit
        Horrendous userbases.

        >10bux apoligetics
        The right model is the one that dies early and spawns zero successors?
        b***h please, follow your leader.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Spammed with CP
      I have thought that maybe you could create an AI that could determine the probability of an image containing a minor and create another one that detects if an image is sexual content and then use both of them on incoming images. If both were detected then the image wouldn't be saved to the site. In the cases that something was missing you could take the image and get a hash of it that you could check when getting new images. You could also use the image in a third AI as training material to better detect holes. The spammers would then eventually train the AI to be good enough to prevent then from spamming.
      >spammers
      I would force users to create a token using proof of work. Then they would be allowed to use that token to post as much as they liked. If they got reported a bunch or had spam like material the token would get banned and they would be forced to generate another one. I would then use the work they were putting in to mine crypto currency defeating the point of spamming as each time they did it they would be helping fund the site. I would also include a small proof of work function on post this would put a higher load on mass posters vs most poster who would only be posting a few times. I think I would also have a list of popular copypastas and assign post a likeness score compared to the copy pasta. If this score exceeded a threshold it would be marked as an offense and enough of those could warrant a ban.

      This actually isn't a bad idea.

      When using blockchain tech like this, how does the processing happen on the client end exactly? Is this built into browsers or what?

      You would do this by creating two test loads with known expected results. The test load have to both be of random lengths. You then send one load at the beginning a real load and then the second test load. If the beginning or end are bad you just reject the user. If they are good then you validate the the users. You can usually do this in a JS library. Here is nonblockchain example of this https://mcaptcha.org/
      [...]
      >Just have them send money
      The problem with this, is this makes you subject to know your customer laws which will force you to defeat your own anonymity. The only way to run an anonymous service is to basically not have logs or very short lived logs.
      [...]
      >running proof of work for 6 hours to post
      >Neither is this
      You don't wait for them to get a hit you just send them a load that can be calculated in a reasonable amount of time. The first proof of work applications were specifically designed to reduce email spam because spamming cost the spammer more per payload sent while not really effecting the average user.

      already kind of exists but microsoft will see the images you post
      https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/photodna
      it's why troonycord users got banned for sending a vid of just a guy eating popcorn lul

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Wants to stop CP
        >charges for service instead of just giving it away
        >be company worth billions of dollars who owns plenty of unused computers
        This would bloat the price of the site you would probably have to build your own or have ads to pay for it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Everything gets raided and/or spammed with CP
      Textboards with imgur embeds. Incredibly simple solution, albeit annoying.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Visit a chan for frens. Migrate there. They still have IP counters (except for onion posters. Who are encouraged)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Last time I went there they had animeposting banned.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    moot btfo altcucks years ago
    >lets make IQfy but with...le freeze peach!
    turns out you need moderation to prevent your website from degenerating into a shithole full of morons and trolls

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I can't name any altchans that developed large, influential cultures other than the party, and I used to post on 4chon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It is good they are all insular, is it not? If the stuff that did get out there never bled out from IQfy into the larger internet I don't think the internet would be any worse or better off for it, so altchans having no influence isn't a great indictment. It just means they had less normalgays around to bring anything out and back to mainstream websites.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      no, but I can think of several that developed small, far-reaching cultures that trickled into a number of other spaces. even little ones like uboa, I still meet people from there

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      is 8ch*n an altchan in your sight?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, but I know very little about it. I always thought the 8[redacted] UI was horrible, crowded and I could never really read it.
        I think a lot of altchans have really bad UI and that really hurts them. Like allowing more than one image per post or letting people dump walls of red text, hurts my fricking eyes

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I didn't mean to say "No" here, it was obviously an altchan, I just mean that I was never familiar.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          From what I can recall, it was pretty comparable to IQfy (minus /misc/) in size at its peak (mostly from its own /misc/ boards). I always saw it as the second biggest western imageboard before it got axed, but that was just my perception. The (reddit) ability to add boards to it was nice since it let smaller niches not die in obscurity as easily.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the /misc/, IQfy and /tech/ boards were better than their IQfy equivalents, overall size was smaller though.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            /bane/ was so fricking good. Rip in peace.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Just found Banechan

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Oh frick, link?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >or letting people dump walls of red text, hurts my fricking eyes
          the only thing to drive me away quicker was a graphic background and transparent posting elements so scrolling felt like racking your brain with a cheese grater. its like a throwback to bad livejournal or angelfire websites

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          All the good people already made their exoduses a decade ago, and ended up disappearing to the void or coming back to this shithole because the site was killed by a dozen large cuts and now exists as a zombie catering to Qboomers.
          Despite what happened to him later, cripple was the best you could get for a site owner of an altchan until he sold out and went mental. Every other altchan's owner is some delusional moron and every altchan I've seen just shares this place's flaws with slightly fewer mexicans and south americans.

          Good. If you're so autistic and mentally decrepit to be filtered by the presence of objectively good features, you aren't wanted. You can stay here being called a troony israelite shill for liking linux penguin with a blue bowtie over linux penguin with a teal bowtie.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          what's wrong with multiple images per post? I'm thinking about what kind of features I want on a new altchan.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            nta, but multiple images per post have two problems. First, they're more resource intensive. If you're hosting on the cheap, you don't want longer page loads, and there's no point to multiple images if the total upload limit per post is small. Second, it emphasizes image dumping over discussion. This is subjective, but it's also kind of ugly to have a bunch of tumor-like images hanging onto a single post.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I agree. That shit is super ugly and turns me off almost immediately. Even for image dump threads it is ugly.

            If it were used for like 3 similar images by the same artist maybe... but it's more often misused than used right.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hmmm. Resource intensity doesn't seem like a big deal. Limit image size and number especially for untrusted posters. It's hard but not *that* hard to build a system that learns which posters are any good, and gives them free run, while limiting privileges for users who can't provide some kind of proof of sincerity (like a couple good posts). The hard part will be getting all you autists to accept being tracked like that (as if you aren't already).

            To pay for image space, I agree with the anons who say the silver bullet is having a pass system where people actually pay money. But of course that has to be for features over and above the public basics, like secret boards, no more suspect-by-default captchas and shit, etc. I should put my money where my mouth is and get a IQfy pass, but I think quality people would be willing to pay for a great chan.

            As for the other issues sometimes you do want to have image dumping and don't want to waste all that visual space with a bunch of posts that are just individual images. The real reason to have them though is so an anon can write an autistic effortpost referring to multiple attached figures.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I agree. That shit is super ugly and turns me off almost immediately. Even for image dump threads it is ugly.

            If it were used for like 3 similar images by the same artist maybe... but it's more often misused than used right.

            Having only a single image per post also creates a strong link between the post and the image, reaction images being an obvious example. It also allows for subtle comments through filenames which isn't viable when there are multiple filenames.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            Having only a single image per post also creates a strong link between the post and the image, reaction images being an obvious example. It also allows for subtle comments through filenames which isn't viable when there are multiple filenames.

            Leave it to the so-called "tech experts" on IQfy to be filtered and confused by basic quality of life features. It's truly revealing that you never used 8ch in its prime or any other imageboard.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >muh CP muh gore
    literally barely a thing if at all on clearnet chans especially nowadays even on TOR it's really rare

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's because the active ones have constant moderation as well as Cloudflare image scanning. It definitely gets posted, despite the many automatic measures in place.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you think that you really live in a bubble, check ban logs or deleted posts on an archive and you'll see it isn't the case, and that's stuff the various filters didn't automatically detect. Sharty around a year ago was absolutely flooded until they finally made massive changes and imagedna, but the most common ban is still posting and advocating for posting cp. IQfy still has to manually delete that and cartel, animal or ukraine gore dozens of times a day.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >animal or ukraine gore
        Same thing

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Give me 30k so I can quit my job and write the tech oriented text board I want to make

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i blame boomers, how the frick are boomers still in all the political positions?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        they made their whole personality about supporting the system because they thought they were in control of everything and leading people to a utopia. the end result is: today.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Steal my idea.
    >imageboard
    >anonymous to all other users
    >private tracker invite system
    >inviters accountable for invitees' behavior
    >small private community avoids deluge of illegal shit
    Voila. Won't have the fastest boards, but will have high quality posts and obviates the inevitable drama that comes with public-facing identities. Perfection.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >so private, it has 0 active users
      Fantastic idea.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >have high quality posts
        You would have gay ERP 24/7

        That's not an imageboard. That's a circlejerk.

        Just let users create loads of invites per day, so they're given out like candy. The number of users that can post would quickly balloon, but unlike regular imageboards, administration would continue to have a grip over where malicious users are coming from, and could ban the root of any source of malicious posting

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          A invites B because B and A share X in common.
          B invites C because B and C also share X in common.
          It just devolves into a bigger and bigger circlejerk. The only way this works is if you have a large initial public registration, then close it, so you can at least ensure that there's varying opinions and personalities. It will probably still devolve into a circlejerk anyway (see: literally every imageboard, forum, discord server, etc.)
          >so they're given out like candy
          If you lower the barrier to entry too much it negates the entire purpose of a gated community. You're just creating a less convenient Discord server.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >it negates the entire purpose of a gated community.
            I'm imagining something beyond the binary of gated or entirely public community. The point is be able to ban an entity from giving invites if the invited all posted CP. It's a boon for moderation, but otherwise it's run like a public imageboard.
            >A invites B because B and A share X in common.
            >B invites C because B and C also share X in common.
            >It just devolves into a bigger and bigger circlejerk.
            Not necessarily. Just because a new user has something in common with who invited them, doesn't mean all users have something in common.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >six degrees of separation
            In life people are related to each other whether or not they actually want to be. It's also bullshit, nothing more than a myth backed by a completely inaccurate study.
            You're necessarily limiting the degrees of separation between people through the process. A might know E but if E doesn't share a common scope of interest with the community E is never going to get invited.
            >doesn't mean all users have something in common
            It does, any kind of invite-only or gates community winds up as a circlejerk. There isn't an example I can think of where this hasn't become the case.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            sekrit clubs work gay

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you want a gated circlejerk sure. Saying they'll wind up like IQfy did in the past is moronic.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Six degrees of separation is bullshit, nothing more than a myth backed by a completely inaccurate study.
            Do you have a source on that? Source? A source. I need a source.

            >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation
            >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/more_or_less/5176698.stm
            > It turned out, she told us, that 95% of the letters sent out had failed to reach the target.
            >Not only did they fail to get there in six steps, they failed to get there at all.

            The lack of practicality of locating a specific individual by name does not prove or disprove the actual mathematical facts regarding the distances of the average person's social graphs

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The lack of practicality of locating a specific individual by name does not prove or disprove the actual mathematical facts regarding the distances of the average person's social graphs
            But it does disprove the claimed practical applicability of these connections.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, because an invite-based board isn't applying it, it's just letting it run its course. While you can't be sure how to get an invite to Christpher Poole, the fact that people are connected would not make the userbase a monoculture

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Instead of autistically repeating that your imaginary site totally won't become a monoculture, why don't you create the site to prove us wrong?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How do you know I'm not working on it right now? This thread will be dead long before I could show any results, so how can you have a problem with me trying to get the idea across when you keep replying to it?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the fact that people are connected would not make the userbase a monoculture
            Yet the overwhelming majority do, almost like just being connected to x or y doesn't actually have a significant statistical impact on the demographic and outlooks of a website.

            >Six degrees of separation is bullshit, nothing more than a myth backed by a completely inaccurate study.
            Do you have a source on that? Source? A source. I need a source.
            [...]
            The lack of practicality of locating a specific individual by name does not prove or disprove the actual mathematical facts regarding the distances of the average person's social graphs

            >I need a source.
            You can just look over the study yourself and come to the quick conclusion that it's bullshit and completely inaccurate.

            >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation
            >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/more_or_less/5176698.stm
            > It turned out, she told us, that 95% of the letters sent out had failed to reach the target.
            >Not only did they fail to get there in six steps, they failed to get there at all.

            >mathematical facts
            These are not mathematical facts nor are they objective. Any study done on whether not this myth, which literally came from a story, have been provably inaccurate or false. The only probable evidence of this is done using modern algorithms to find degrees of separations in massive social networks, and those are still horribly poor representations of whether or not those people are actually acquainted, as people will have hundreds or thousands of people on their friends/follower list that they do not interact with at all.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The only probable evidence of this is done using modern algorithms to find degrees of separations in massive social networks
            Great, because that's exactly what we're building.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >those are still horribly poor representations of whether or not those people are actually acquainted, as people will have hundreds or thousands of people on their friends/follower list that they do not interact with at all.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's what we're building. We both know imageboards are for schizoids, so I'm becoming confused why you agonize over it being maybe limited to non-acquaintancies

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's the other way around. If you never talk to them, how would you give them the invite? You'll only invite people you actually talk to, so you never reach the full potential of the six degrees of separation. But even within the sphere of those you interact with, it will be very limited; you have a direct connection to your boss, but you're not going to invite him to some shady imageboard. Only the people who wouldn't judge you for being into weird shit would get invited, and thus you get a circlejerk.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >A source.
            There is no source, study or otherwise which accurately proves six degrees of separation. The onus isn't on us to prove some wild claim.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon...

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There isn't. Even Milgram's experiment was localized entirely to the United States, and at a time where political perspectives were much more homogeneous.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation
            >http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/more_or_less/5176698.stm
            > It turned out, she told us, that 95% of the letters sent out had failed to reach the target.
            >Not only did they fail to get there in six steps, they failed to get there at all.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >>so private, it has 0 active users
        yeah that's why private trackers have 0 active users and they're all so dead a fricking reddit talks about them, right?
        you fricking moron

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If I knew people then I'm not sure I'd be here

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >have high quality posts
      You would have gay ERP 24/7

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's not an imageboard. That's a circlejerk.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >it negates the entire purpose of a gated community.
      I'm imagining something beyond the binary of gated or entirely public community. The point is be able to ban an entity from giving invites if the invited all posted CP. It's a boon for moderation, but otherwise it's run like a public imageboard.
      >A invites B because B and A share X in common.
      >B invites C because B and C also share X in common.
      >It just devolves into a bigger and bigger circlejerk.
      Not necessarily. Just because a new user has something in common with who invited them, doesn't mean all users have something in common.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_degrees_of_separation

      Private trackers have objective rules on what constitutes bannable behavior, like posting their torrent files publicly. Imageboard moderation is a lot more subjective, so banning multiple people over one person's transgression seems totally unreasonable. Private trackers also offer something valuable enough to make their exclusivity worth it to a lot of people.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You wrongly project your familiarity of private trackers. If invites are made cheap enough, no, it won't be or feel exclusive. Also the biggest burden for moderation of altchans is the illegal material, other rules besides Rule Nº1 would not be enforced through the invite hierarchy

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Imageboard crossed with a private tracker
      >Steal my idea
      No thanks

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      glorified discord server

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i wish there was a way to make discord anonymous

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          discord with a buffer that only lasts 48 hours would be a lot better.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Discord forbids custom clients and bans you for using them if caught, so at the very least you'll aways be identifiable to Discord itself. I've seen anonymous IRC before though, and IQfy recently experimented with anonymous chatrooms on Tor ( 4opleow6la4cuulbrxcp2lmpl6x2lw
          2nxsujdybrknqu3tlfxpfsrwqd dot onion is still up) but it always leads to low-quality discussion and/or lack of activity.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Discord forbids custom clients and bans you for using them if caught, so at the very least you'll aways be identifiable to Discord itself. I've seen anonymous IRC before though, and IQfy recently experimented with anonymous chatrooms on Tor ( 4opleow6la4cuulbrxcp2lmpl6x2lw
          2nxsujdybrknqu3tlfxpfsrwqd dot onion is still up) but it always leads to low-quality discussion and/or lack of activity.

          irc.sageru.org #qa,#jp

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is probably the best possible solution because it's innovative, novel, and fulfills the need for decentralization.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    one of the problems I've noticed over the years for niche forums is after 2016 they got stuck into political purity spirals where whatever the main topic was got totally forgotten for more and more political infighting (usually among different sects of leftists). rpg/game/tech. I think trump is a zog puppet but TDS is very real and destroyed countless communities. and somehow BDS (B for Biden!) also seemed to have been a factor in 2020 as the more extreme leftists truly hated anyone supporting him.
    for DDoS I think kiwifarm's solution is pretty neat and at this point incredibly battle tested. only problem is the state funded CP spam that is a constant problem and requires very active moderation staff. Sadly the only agency that could train a CP image recognition model is the FBI and they're uh the ones spamming CP everywhere lmfao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      what's kiwifarm's DDoS protection system?

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw no anime codemommy to fix my code and collaborate with me on projects

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So many posts about how to prevent bad ones, but basically none about how to facilitate good ones.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >posting text is always free & accessible with a minimal captcha (ideally relevant to the board like m**u*a does it) and 1 minute cooldown
    >user can generate an "account" pair of trip + password (invisible by default)
    >image posting requires a pow, but no account
    >image posting privilege can be "unlocked" with a bigger pow, this is tied to the "trip" token which can be revoked at any time, removes the need for a PoW every time you post an image
    >thread posting is always allowed with a large (hour) cooldown
    >thread posting privilege is earned the same way as above and reduces the cooldown
    >captcha privilege can be unlocked only after the other two are unlocked and removes captchas when posting with the invisible trip/pass

    What this does:
    >discourage phoneposters
    >diy pass
    >no payment (not anonymous)
    >adds "value" to the mined out token, which makes a ban a psychological loss without actually being one
    >rewards high quality posters, who wont be dragged down by the measures required to dissuade low quality posters

    Maybe add more "pass addons" like access to a theatre like the one k***u hosts (peak comfy) to add further value to the stealth account. The more privileges can be granted to good faith users the better obviously, and the more problematic privileges like images can be gated from abuse the better.
    Could even add TOR access as a high tier, because once someone starts abusing their trip/token they get the boot and can get mining again (while still being able to participate if some abuse or injustice happened)
    Even if the mining aspect of it isn't all that profitable or something the cpu cycles invested wouldn't go to waste because they also add a perceived value. None of this gamification should ever be communicated outwards. These should ideally make baking generals a breeze too but that's obviously not altchan territory any more and the endgame of scaling.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >hoge
    what does it mean? i see it all over japanese repos

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://jisho.org/search/hoge
      >1. hoge (placeholder name for a variable, similar to foobar)

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    hikari3.ch

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    IQfy steals all the users. The moment this website dies all the anons will spread on the altchans. It will be the Renaissance of anonymous bulletin boards

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >yup
      >The moment this website dies all the anons will spread on the altchans
      please don't

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dude please tell me what website this is

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          the frog pond com

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That didn't work!?!!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            *org
            "Sorry"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      which is why it will never die. Glowgays are terrified of the #1 threat to u.s. national security suddenly scattering into the winds. Maybe AI makes that point moot now but idfk

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >#1 threat
        Yeah, the site so terrified of cartoon horses they needed to make a containment board. So scary.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    /cyb/ was the best board.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    We will one day be led to the Promised Chan where mods aren't gays and CP spammers lose.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    hot take: make cp legal so chans can't get shut down for it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That's not that hot of a take, CP has been described as digital crack because it's mostly used by feds to shut people down. It's the internet war on drugs. What ever happened to safe harbor?

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what if you had to place a bond in escrow in order to upload an image. if its later found to be illegal the bond is collected(or burned which might be better against corruption), otherwise returned automatically after some time. (this is in a future where you can easily place such a bond using crypto & browser wallet)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      kuz would gladly pay a little money to enable a hostile takeover of your site

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    by design

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I used to love Lain, I thought at least a few of you fa/g/gots would too. but after the incident the entire chan also died a death and is slow as shit.
    still the odd autist effortposting there though, and the webradio is always neat.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >after the incident the entire chan also died a death
      can I get a qrd?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        https://legacy.arisuchan.jp/q/res/2221.html

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the split is old news. it died again 4 months ago because of the israel/palestine conflict
        for one reason or the other most users were pro-palestine, but something like half of the mods live in tel aviv (unironically)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What incident?

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    give me a list of altchans

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://ccd0.github.io/imageboards.json/imageboards.json

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        man thats a lot of russian altchans

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's alphabetically sorted, you didn't even look beyond the first page

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >click a random one
        >its actually active and doesnt seem astroturfed with garbage
        perhaps there is light at the end of this shithole

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >9001 dead links
        >9001 domains for sale
        >9001 gigacloudflared sites with less than 100 posts per year
        Not sure what else I expected.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yeah the owner of the list has gone AWOL and hasn't accepted pull requests in months. There are some forks of the list like chan.city

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I can see that, but it's not the point.
            So many sites dying or becoming unusable in a matter of a year or two is a clear indicator that the ecosystem is fricked.

            why though

            Some are selling CP (legal in Russia by the way) so they advertise it.
            Some are putting pressure on the admin to sell, a la Kuz.
            Some just want to ruin things for everyone else.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >legal in Russia by the way
            Explain
            There is no way for it to be literally legal

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            He's bullshitting. Even storing it isn't legal since the 2nd half of 2010s. Making of the usual porn isn't legal there de-jure as well. Moreover, there are cases of blocking websites out-of-court on the grounds of them hosting CP with the materials in question being hentai and MLP porn (horses are under 18yo and we know you see it as humans - literal excuse).
            I know CP and gore wipes were real in, say, 2010, that time is long gone.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    everyone trooned out and their minds r mush from all the hrt, sissy hypno, and robotussin

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I miss hispachan. I used to go there to learn some spanish on the side to pick up latinas.

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is she not wearing any panties?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why would she be?

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ya'll look like this!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >2003
      I miss it.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    TOTAL RDRAMA VICTORY, COME TO THE BEST ALT WEBSITE

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      too malicious of a site. swear to god you guys just want to watch the world burn.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    First find a way to prevent bots from posting.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The only way to prevent bot posting is competent mods.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That still doesn't prevent it, moderation is a retroactive measure.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      host a /misc/ board, then after some time delete it and ban everyone that ever used it. Bam, no more bots.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anything involving invites is dead on arrival because one of the major draws of imageboards has always been the high concentration of intrinsically motivated people who go out and find new things instead of squatting in their walled garden. Incidentally, that's also why most of you are /here/.
    If you lock out the people who actually read through dead threads and follow links and find boards based on a name dropped somewhere while spreading userhood over a few discord servers you are getting the clientele that hangs out on discord servers. It's always been about chaotic connections and an explorative spirit, not some homosexual recruiting in a circlejerk.
    Garbage in garbage out - imageboard edition.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >high concentration
      higher*. Definitely not high.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Good point

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      really good point. I wonder if there's some way to do the opposite and really filter for the kind of people who get curious and track down something novel that they heard a rumor of.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        This article written by shii is really dated, but I think there's some truth to it.
        https://archive.textboard.org/shiichan.html
        >Registration keeps out good posters. Imagine someone with an involving job related to your forum comes across it. This person is an expert in her field, and therefore would be a great source of knowledge for your forum; but if a registration, complete with e-mail and password, is necessary before posting, she might just give up on posting and do something more important. People with lives will tend to ignore forums with a registration process.>
        >On the other hand, people with no lives will thrive on your forum. Children and Internet addicts tend to have free time to go register an account and check their e-mail for the confirmation message. They will generally make your forum a waste of bandwidth.

        People who have valuable knowledge wont invest THAT much effort into finding a dead site. There need to be a carrot on the stick.

        More info on shii
        https://wiki.bibanon.org/Shii
        https://shii.bibanon.org/shii.org/knows/Futaba_Channel.html

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >- Present
            most of these still "present" are gone lmao

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What a blast from the past. Those days are long gone.
            I wonder when hotwheels is going to get 420chan up and running again. It's been over a year. Lazy cripple frick.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Definitely no registration to get into it. So you don't just lurk and frick off again. Absolutely no invites because "getting to know" people just for that is a hurdle to anyone who isn't a disingenuous social parasite, also a hotbed for powertripping like private trackers. Some more thoughts in the same vein here:

        >posting text is always free & accessible with a minimal captcha (ideally relevant to the board like m**u*a does it) and 1 minute cooldown
        >user can generate an "account" pair of trip + password (invisible by default)
        >image posting requires a pow, but no account
        >image posting privilege can be "unlocked" with a bigger pow, this is tied to the "trip" token which can be revoked at any time, removes the need for a PoW every time you post an image
        >thread posting is always allowed with a large (hour) cooldown
        >thread posting privilege is earned the same way as above and reduces the cooldown
        >captcha privilege can be unlocked only after the other two are unlocked and removes captchas when posting with the invisible trip/pass

        What this does:
        >discourage phoneposters
        >diy pass
        >no payment (not anonymous)
        >adds "value" to the mined out token, which makes a ban a psychological loss without actually being one
        >rewards high quality posters, who wont be dragged down by the measures required to dissuade low quality posters

        Maybe add more "pass addons" like access to a theatre like the one k***u hosts (peak comfy) to add further value to the stealth account. The more privileges can be granted to good faith users the better obviously, and the more problematic privileges like images can be gated from abuse the better.
        Could even add TOR access as a high tier, because once someone starts abusing their trip/token they get the boot and can get mining again (while still being able to participate if some abuse or injustice happened)
        Even if the mining aspect of it isn't all that profitable or something the cpu cycles invested wouldn't go to waste because they also add a perceived value. None of this gamification should ever be communicated outwards. These should ideally make baking generals a breeze too but that's obviously not altchan territory any more and the endgame of scaling.

        Catering towards people who stumble into thee site ex nihilo and those who are there for ages, while making life hard for those inbetweeners who shit everything up by living a rapid shitpost-banned-shitpost-banned lifecycle (but not too much to be stifling) and especially profiting off of spam/mitigating it. Gotta make the ones in the middle pay the toll both asa filter while not scaring people off immediately.

        Just host it on Tor and I2P, make lurking completely free, without an account, but make posting available only if you have an account. Making an account should require you to send 0.5 XMR to host's wallet. Problem solved.

        >SA but its 50$
        This time you are selecting for people who want to flex some kind of belonging to an existing entity. Cant build a site like that.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the only git commands you need are add, commit, and push.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How do you create a repo then?

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I love my imageboard, it's the best. Sometimes people post maids and anime breasts.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're on thin ice bub.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hey buddy, up yours.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm building one right now. It's a little different though. One if my ideas is to replace jannies with an automated/crowdsourced curation system. Wish me luck I'll post it when its more live.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Nobody mentioned the 'arty

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just host it on Tor and I2P, make lurking completely free, without an account, but make posting available only if you have an account. Making an account should require you to send 0.5 XMR to host's wallet. Problem solved.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Definitely no registration to get into it. So you don't just lurk and frick off again. Absolutely no invites because "getting to know" people just for that is a hurdle to anyone who isn't a disingenuous social parasite, also a hotbed for powertripping like private trackers. Some more thoughts in the same vein here: [...]
      Catering towards people who stumble into thee site ex nihilo and those who are there for ages, while making life hard for those inbetweeners who shit everything up by living a rapid shitpost-banned-shitpost-banned lifecycle (but not too much to be stifling) and especially profiting off of spam/mitigating it. Gotta make the ones in the middle pay the toll both asa filter while not scaring people off immediately.

      [...]
      >SA but its 50$
      This time you are selecting for people who want to flex some kind of belonging to an existing entity. Cant build a site like that.

      How do you even ban users from a TOR/i2p website? It's literally not possible because you don't know their IP address. If you ban their profile instead, nothing stops them from registering another one (requesting money is not a real solution)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you want to be a real control freak, stylometry.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Can't you just change your writing style ? Should work for at least 2 ban evasions, more if you're good at it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You disallow posting from TOR/i2p nodes by default and only allow it with an authorized token. Exactly how IQfy pass works.
        Nodes are public

        If you want to be a real control freak, stylometry.

        Can't you just change your writing style ? Should work for at least 2 ban evasions, more if you're good at it.

        There are even tools for that and AI trivialized obfuscating it. Complete waste of resources. Also the exact kind of thing that will turn anyone with a brain off using your site.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Authorized token you get how? Other than paying for it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Just clicking "give me one".
            My idea would be to let users stack up privileges over time on a token and ban by-token for infringements like spam/seepee. If you tie privileges that facilitate spam to these tokens you can efficiently frick over spammers while rewarding quality users. Kind of account lite.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How many privileges does someone need to use an imageboard? You'd have to introduce arbitrary restrictions that no other one has, meaning you end up with something less appealing to new users than the alternatives.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Image posting without pows
            posting without captchas
            using VPNs
            using TOR
            lower cooldowns (as spammers get their token revoked)

            Obviously shouldn't be too many or a detriment to new users, the way I see it it's an "earning back" of privileges we already lost due to abuse on 4/alts

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I like this idea. On my altchan prototype right now I'm doing this with verified emails but a secret token system would work just as well and users can be more anon.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm glad it reached the right address then!

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's simply hostile to present a user with a captcha or PoW before they've begun writing the post or even before hitting the submit button. Every site could appear open, appear is if we are in an internet where we don't have to pay the toll of freedom.
    Let the post be submitted but appear grayed out, and then demand a captcha to finally let it go through. Because of a feeling of sunk cost, at this point users are unlikely to abandon the attempt to post, while if a captcha loomed at the first sight of the post box this attempt to post might've not occurred in the first place.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is akin to asking for credit card info after the user clicks on "start free trial", and will select for the same exact kind of idiot.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Some hostility is desired because the userbase is supposed to be somewhat eclectic ("why altchans suck?!" and the natural precursor "man IQfy really went down the drain with X event".
        I agree that that simple text posts, the most likely first interaction with the site, should be without any user-facing barriers if at all possible. 4 seems to have it working alright, disregarding the recent changes. A captcha may be necessary to close off some avenues of abuse though, and I'd rather have that be communicated clearly than be tricked into sunk cost

        Then you wonder why your board has 0 PPH. Not even the effortful posters you want, want to post on a ghost town.

        [...]

        This just proves my point. IQfy and Kiwifarms (a circlejerk) only get away with it because they had already captured a large userbase. You put up with captchas, biased moderation, and a website that is falling part because you want to be where other people are.

        Engagement come before anything else. You will employ dark patterns if necessary to ensure a baseline of it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You do have a point but isn't the ideal userbase for a chan people who are autistically averse to dark patterns and being manipulated in the first place? Users aren't all equal, and the uncritical acceptance of dark patterns isn't exactly a quality to select for when tryig to ake altchan utopia.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You would never get an altchan population either if users have to sent POST requests from terminal. It would in theory select for the most motivated users, of couse.
            There's point at which there is so much visible, upfront cost to post that the ball never gets rolling. See mathchan.org for an example.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            On the other hand TOR only forums and boards are just fine with more barriers than not using dark patterns. Of course there's a proper balance somewhere.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, that's it. So, how selective you choose to make your filter is at the cost of activity, and both properties will crash if you neglect the other. The experiment of using dark patterns was to nudge the balance somewhere new, born of the observation that the one thing alt chans more consistently struggle with is activity, in my opinion.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            On reflection the experiment would definitely be worth it. Ideologues who are allergic to user manipulation (like me) can be placated by other project choices like open-sourcing, which is a stable of altchan culture anyway from what I've seen.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            SOON

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What would darkpattens even look like on an imageboard and how would they help bring in activity? Darkpatterns seem like just a way to extract money and information from users.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's simply hostile to present a user with a captcha or PoW before they've begun writing the post or even before hitting the submit button. Every site could appear open, appear is if we are in an internet where we don't have to pay the toll of freedom.
            Let the post be submitted but appear grayed out, and then demand a captcha to finally let it go through. Because of a feeling of sunk cost, at this point users are unlikely to abandon the attempt to post, while if a captcha loomed at the first sight of the post box this attempt to post might've not occurred in the first place.

            IQfy dark pattern.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Some hostility is desired because the userbase is supposed to be somewhat eclectic ("why altchans suck?!" and the natural precursor "man IQfy really went down the drain with X event".
      I agree that that simple text posts, the most likely first interaction with the site, should be without any user-facing barriers if at all possible. 4 seems to have it working alright, disregarding the recent changes. A captcha may be necessary to close off some avenues of abuse though, and I'd rather have that be communicated clearly than be tricked into sunk cost

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I dont run an alt-chan, but run a forum.
      I do require an email field to be filled in but you dont have to verify it. This was fine and let people who are more less willing to give any info out join, however we started getting lots of spam accounts being made and spam posts. Adding a captcha to the signup page eliminated 99.9999999% of issues we have had with spam. I'd like to eventually have a captcha that I can self host but recaptcha will do for now.
      I dont think your idea is too bad for an implementation, but I dont really see having some captcha before pressing submit being much different in function.
      Captcha on each post I can imagine having a detrimental effect for phoneposters if it doesnt go through the firsrt time

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I dont really see having some captcha before pressing submit being much different in function.
        True, but in the case of PoW or timers, there is a benefit in letting the user press the final submit button before PoW or the timer is completed. Waiting for a process to end is worst feeling as it demands your constant attention. Manual actions, like clicking submit, can be performed instantly and queued. PoW can be completed in the background if the tab is left open.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    OK, explain your proof-of-work anti-DDOS solution to me.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Check out how wienerli does it. Seems to work well enough for it to remain open for a solid while after being invite only for years.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://gitgud.io/fatchan/haproxy-protection

      [...]
      Leave it to the so-called "tech experts" on IQfy to be filtered and confused by basic quality of life features. It's truly revealing that you never used 8ch in its prime or any other imageboard.

      More than 3 images at a time scales badly without a wide browser window. It's very ugly to have 2 rows of thumbnails.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >using 4:3 or 5:4 in 2002+22
        Not my problem. I never had an issue even when using a pidldy little 1366x768 monitor.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Where can I go to talk about and ask questions about software and other tech-related projects without discussions devolving into either

    >Dude! Why would you ever need to do that??? Are you some kind of terrorist???
    (reddit)
    or
    >That's israelited Black personbabble goyslop this is a zogbot glowBlack person honeypot thread SAGE
    (/g/)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Generals on IQfy are fine. For everything else, start by reading this thread and lurk the frick more you spoonneeding israelited Black personbabble goyslop this is a zogbot glowBlack person honeypot thread SAGE

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        generals on IQfy are NOT fine

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's why you go to where tech isn't discussed but employed. I will not elaborate further

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What about topics which do not have a relevant general on IQfy?
        >inb4 make one
        Making a general requires a sustained level of community interest, expertise, and engagement and that just isn't going to be present for every single niche topic.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          From my experience, there is always some place on this site people with expertise in the domain you are looking for lurk. It's never under the umbrella of "here we talk about broad topic X" - you can see how badly that goes in /cyb/etc/, you get a bunch of poseurs married to a label. On the other hand there are dedicated places elsewhere on this site that attract the people meant to be in the tard thread.
          One example: the forbidden IQfy general that starts with c had a bunch of people who can put the datahoarder thread (which isn't that bad anyway) to shame, and they had better knowledge of piracy tools than all of /t/ combined. Figure out where people who know about tools use them, go there instead

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >But this is really delicate situation
    Which is precisely why it should not be left to users, I hard agree on that part of your original post too.
    IQfy is being the Debian of imageboards in that regard. I also think splitting IQfy into specific /vX/ off-springs is moronic because it creates this distinct "hey! you shouldn't post here!" culture that should be combated at every turn

    >Second of all subredditizing IQfy boards is the design of 8 and it was terrible.
    There was nothing wrong with having usermade boards and I'm sick of you miserable sour grapes sufferers claiming it was "reddit" just because someone could make a board for a topic they wanted instead of hoping and pleading for hiroshimoot to make /ai/ and /eceleb/, which never come to fruition.
    >IQfy thrives on needless arguing
    Now I know you're a newbie.

    >IQfy thrives on needless arguing
    >Now I know you're a newbie.
    Soften it to "IQfy thrives on clashing and mingling" and he got a good point. Packaging everything into tiny cushioned boxes is one of the major things that goes wrong with reddit and so many other sites. I agree with your position in that there should be a place for all forms of discussion: the way towards that is LESS segregation into subsubsub communities because the problem arises from the "shall not post here" rather than the "shall post here".

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >There was nothing wrong with having usermade boards
      It resulted in THREE separate politics boards in the top 10, continuously raiding and radicalizing each other, as if a single /misc/ wasn't enough cancer.
      >s-sour grapes!
      I was there from the first days (and got to laugh at Bui and the /furry/ spam wars), I was on a good chunk of bunkers and revivals afterwards (RIP julay dot world, you were the comfiest one), and I still haven't completely given up on altchans.
      Refusing to learn from mistakes doesn't magically make things better.

      >it resulted in
      It resulted in two smaller splits caused by the indisputable fact the moderation on the first board was so inexcusably shit people stopped wanting to use it. You don't get that option here. IQfy alternatives would have worked were it not for Mark being allowed to direct raids against them and claim they were full of cp.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Talking about 4 here in case you are referring to 8, also I am not intimately acquainted with any /v(X)/ and all I know is that multiple of them are dead and every popular game gets told to frick off to /vg/ already. The less boxes that kind of "righteous" autist have to be user jannies and antagonize other people the better, and that's the moderate position I take due to the impossibility of surgical euthanasia.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >admin doesn't remove bad mod
        >split into new board
        >bad mod raids it
        >admin doesn't remove bad mod
        Surely you can see the problem.
        Trying to spread the risk over many board owners instead of letting the admin deal with it alone allows for all kinds of social games that don't belong on anonymous imageboards.
        Also, the intentions being justifiable doesn't stop the results from being horrendous.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's probably not so simple as finding the right formula to build a better chan. At this point as the web has evolved so much since the late 90s/early 2000s era that chans and old internet culture was built on. The demographics, the ethos, the ease of access, the relevancy to daily life...the list goes on. I think now only something truly novel and revolutionary in concept can be a proper successor. As the chans and big social media were to classic forums and blogs. Or perhaps we will all end up in a singularity of bullshit, AI spam, propaganda and foaming at the mouth drones...one unimaginably worse than what we see today.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Innovation never happens out of nowhere, it's always an iteration or remix of something existing. IQfy was a revolution in the long run yet only an import.
      The ideas discussed in this thread go way beyond simply making another chan as well.
      Concessions will have to be made and the demographics, ethos and QoL standards factored in, but praying for something "truly novel" instead of smashing together the methods that do exist isn't going to create anything.
      The hellscape you describe IS going to happen, and the escape velocity that will give to the people growing tired of it will propel them somewhere else, The purpose of this thread is to discuss what that somewhere else may, or hopefully will, look like and how to get there.

      Someone stated they are workshopping a project and are evidently reading this thread. If you can ideasguy something "truly novel and revolutionary" up, nows the time. If not, there's no shame talking about which parts of past iterations did and did not work.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        As (one of?) the guy building a new altchan, this anon is totally correct. It's not going to be the perfect weapons-grade-anonymous no rules high quality paradise we all dream of, but the right compromise like a little bit of persistent account-lite tokens, a little bit of anti-spam tech, a little bit of having to earn privileges, and a great karma-lite system to make moderation efficient can go a really long way. There's a lot of great ideas that have been tried but didn't take over for basically unrelated reasons. We don't have to do anything totally novel, though we can do some of that too.

        I dream of a chan like infinity was where boards can be created by users and grow and die just like threads, and the whole thing can be as high quality as we've seen anonymous discussion can be when there aren't any shills and morons around. And I have a lot of money and infinite free time so frick 'em I'm building it. Keep posting your ideas anons I'm taking notes and already have half of this stuff planned out or even implemented.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's great to hear. What do you think of the general idea of "mining out" advanced privileges like not being hindered by spam protection for your token?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If I understand you correctly, the system I'm building basically tracks post quality (and thus poster quality) statistically using stuff like hides, replies, and archive nominations. If you're fresh off the open internet with no vouches and no good posts or moderation decisions under your belt, you have to deal with more hurdles and restrictions (like for example you may not be allowed to post images, maybe not post as fast, maybe not have access to some threads, etc). Once you prove you're basically good faith by whatever means, the system trusts you to participate without restriction. If you do something really bad or consistently post garbage you can lose your privileges, so spam, shilling, raids, malicious trolling are much more expensive to pull off. The whole system ultimately rests on good moderation of course but my bet is that a good karma-lite statistical system tracking poster quality will take most of the moderation burden off.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            at this point just use upvotes. I only get (you)s when I post the most dogshit, troll bait I can come up with + a lust provoking image
            like, at some point the users are going to figure out the algorithm and start using the hide button as a downvote and quotes as upvotes so it will be the same but with more noise/clutter

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes people will and should use hides as downvotes. We can give them up votes too. The key is not just allowing random voters to have authority to decide what's good or you get a hugbox of mediocrities like reddit. You have to look at it as a statistical inference problem, not a democracy. You have the system figure out who has good taste and who's just flailing or trying to mess with the system.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I will do upvotes and downvotes
            >but I will do it right!
            the algorithm will always have to base it's output on previous inputs, so you will essentially trade the circlejerk of the majority for the circlejerk of the minority that learns how to cheat the algorithm first

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That strikes the same vein, I didn't think about tracking user behavior because it is spooky and glows but some of the metrics you propose sound meaningful and reasonable. Making moderation actually accomplish anything (by making a ban hurt spammers more than spam mitigation hurts users) is the vital aspect though, and as long as that is addressed the method doesn't matter.
            Replies seem like a bad metric because inflammatory stuff/trolling gets more replies though.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ok we can adjust the parameters though I do enjoy trolling for (You)s and I think it actually is a decent metric.

            Yeah tracking users glows but look we're all being tracked all the time at no advantage to ourselves anyways. Might as well have a minimally invasive tracking system that we use to actually defend the board from hostiles and morons.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How about combining real-time with board creation? Never seen that before.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >real-time
          You mean like m*g**a/sh***k*?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. Seeing users write their post in real-time.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I always hated that because it adds to a chatroom atmosphere, but *h**i**/*e*u** seems to live on just fine and fun to hang out with sometimes so what do I know.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Meguca. Shamiko.

            How about combining real-time with board creation? Never seen that before.

            Power tripping admins tend to disable board creation.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What's the argument for realtime? Do you mean just like "someone is typing" or like you actually see the keystrokes?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            On the websites that have it implemented you can literally see people make their typos and correct them. Most of them type so slow it's hilarious.

            Meguca. Shamiko.
            [...]
            Power tripping admins tend to disable board creation.

            Spoilsport

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It sounds like a gimmick, but it's very good at sustaining small communities. It's not an exaggeration to say that meguca/shamichan is probably the most common imageboard backend. It's not as popular (as it should be) in english speaking communities though.

            On the websites that have it implemented you can literally see people make their typos and correct them. Most of them type so slow it's hilarious.

            [...]
            Spoilsport

            >spoilsport
            Come on, it's not a secret.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Come on, it's not a secret.
            Yes that's why I made it a simple game with the shifted letters baka. I know finding that would gratify me if someone else did it.

            >like you actually see the keystrokes
            Yes. Arguments for it are that it's unique. Not even discord or whatever has that feature. The dynamic is different from anything else, so it has a novelty to it. Almost like an irl conversation, but people can also respond to things after the fact like what's normal for imageboards.

            Personally I always prewrite my posts and copy them in. Or type stuff and then delete the post without confirming it, for those glued to the box like me

            Ok we can adjust the parameters though I do enjoy trolling for (You)s and I think it actually is a decent metric.

            Yeah tracking users glows but look we're all being tracked all the time at no advantage to ourselves anyways. Might as well have a minimally invasive tracking system that we use to actually defend the board from hostiles and morons.

            >I do enjoy trolling for (You)s and I think it actually is a decent metric
            It's also obviously good for the site because outrage drives engagement.. and either way replies measure engagement engagement, not outrage engagement. Not as bad as I initially thought.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >like you actually see the keystrokes
            Yes. Arguments for it are that it's unique. Not even discord or whatever has that feature. The dynamic is different from anything else, so it has a novelty to it. Almost like an irl conversation, but people can also respond to things after the fact like what's normal for imageboards.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Huh. I kind of like the way Twitter approximates this when you're posting a long thread. I'll think about that. Making it possible to compose your post with an audience in realtime is an interesting idea

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the right formula is anonymous but invite-only
      I mean facebook didn't kill imageboards; discord did
      and discord sucks for "communities" (>10 active users), for various reasons. it is easy to miss things, it is hard to find things, it is even harder to keep any type of structure, and so on. communities turn into worse versions of themselves even faster than they do on imageboards
      it's only two advantages are that it is easy to use and that it is "closed" (invite-only) by default

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What about
    >lain is good (if youre overly political or vulgar or in any other way basedkaf, dont even bother looking it up, we dont want your kind)
    >l+js (best nanosphere board) has I2P and Yggdrasil, no JS, no cookies, barely CSS
    >hikari3 (comfy but slow)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      lain is dead, you are ~7 years late
      I have used i2p boards and I'm going to be honest with you, I just don't see the point of posting in a board with only 3 users (besides me). I don't think I can get anything from that
      stop mentioning hik-ri

      >None of these are "features" of traditional boards either.
      It was in response to the other guy's claim that the issues with reddit stem from the karma system.

      >They're not intrinsic to an account system
      The account system is addressed in that link. It's a classic essay about chans and anonymity, and covers why registration is a bad idea.

      that link aged like milk. everyone is an internet addict now, I'm an expert at what I do (professionally) and guess what
      hackernews and the gentoo forums are full of experts - and they both require registration and let you use a pseudonym
      nevermind, it didn't age bad, it is wrong now just as it was wrong back then

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I swear I know some of the posters ITT from 5 imageboards each, and some of you recently read the *can thread

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >>all posts implying glowies don't bother with altchans
    Glowies have been confirmed to post on altchans.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >We know all three can meme because we're shilled all day long by them
        lol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      don't interrupt my cointelpro larp

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      8 definitely outgrew the status as just another alt. It also had some high profile shootings and shit happen. They definitely do *bother* with them too. But assuming they are behind the CP spam is still conspiracy theorizing and not in the good way because there are very simple alternative explanations.
      Making "it's the glowies" the boogeyman is only distracting when the focus should be on mitigating what's likely driven by economic interest (which means that adding expenses means they frick off).

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