Amazon's e-Commerce is Failing

>Amazon's e-commerce was synonymous with online shopping
>then a few years ago, major retailers have started doing online shopping as well
>but they've only made up a fraction of the US's market share
>Temu debuted in the US a couple of years ago
>now they're looking at $40B in revenue in 2023
>this is compared to Amazon's $350B

Won't be too long until Amazon's slips from their long held #1 spot as the US's largest e-commerce website.

What happened?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They let the site get flooded with chinese scam products and fake reviews. There's zero quality control. You can't even be sure if a GPU you buy is real.
    You get the exact same shit off aliexpress but usually its cheaper there, you just have to wait longer for it to get to your door.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Amazon is an exact 1:1 with Ali at this point except you have to pay a yearly membership. There are almost no name brand products left and 90% of the Chinese shit has no quality control.

      Amazon isn't even a good deal anymore. You will get cheaper prices for household products at Walmart or any grocery store. It's usually 25%-50% of what Amazon is charging. Most dollar stores sell all the little trinkets, but those would be $9.99 on Amazon from the AliExpress reseller. Almost every other retailer does free two day shipping on large orders too

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Amazon is an exact 1:1 with Ali
        not even close. it's a ~6 month lag on plenty of new products the bugs get first.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The one advantage amazon has is pretty much no-questions-asked returns.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Downside because you end up buying someone else 's obviously used and stained/marred items

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I've had that happen maybe once or twice and I just return them and get a new one for free. Couple days delay is the only downside. Only concern is if they were to actually re-package and re-seal the item such that it looks indistinguishable from new, nothing out of place, but I haven't heard of that being widespread practice (and it'd need to be a large-scale policy for them to bother, since they'd need to have the means to replace/fix packaging and labels for thousands of different products).

            Meanwhile the upside actually matters for trying before committing. Especially when you can't actually see the item in a physical store. For example, one time I wanted a new mouse, so I bought like five of different shapes and sizes to compare, spent a couple days with each, and returned four of them. Cost me nothing (or maybe they charged a couple bucks for shipping?) but I got to choose the exact mouse I wanted.
            And that's not to mention cases where the item was somehow defective or unsuitable or I ended up not needing it.

            When you're buying from aliexpress, you're gambling on the seller's goodwill to make sure it'll fit and be suitable. If it's broken, best case you might eke out a partial return, if you change your mind you have almost no recourse. On amazon, you can buy and then it's on the manufacturer to make sure you're happy with your item.

            As long as you buy "fulfilled by amazon", mind you, I should add. Marketplace items are nothing more than just aliexpress with a markup, that much is true, and they usually have their own return policies and stuff. You have to buy from amazon themselves with amazon shipping and amazon policies, then it's amazon's problem when you wanna return.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >They let the site get flooded with chinese scam products and fake reviews.
      This. I loved amazon before this happned, now everything on their feels like some bootleg product and I cant even find the original most the time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Amazon shafted their US sellers as well by introducing competing chink products copying the original designs. Getting them out would do wonders for US business.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > fake reviews
      That's hilarious. Actually reputable and good budget brands like MPOW got kicked off amazon for "fake reviews", while amazon is more than happy to allow thousands of gibberish-name fake brands to flood all product searches

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        MPOW is a Chinese brand as well, funnily enough.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Exactly. It's a reputable one. I own three of their headsets for various work related purposes and they're great. The ones sourced on walmart after amazon kicked them off are a bit lower quality but still generally great. Remove a good one for alleged review fakes, keep all the literal scams and the sellers who make price sorting useless because every cheap item is faking its price with $9-19 shipping surcharge

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      its honestly easier to buy real shit on ebay than amazon nowadays

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Market share by Downloads
    >by Downloads
    what the frick does that mean

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's probably tracking mobile app downloads, the laziest way to check market share for online stores

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dumb as frick in that case because obviously everyone already has amazon on their phone, it comes pre-installed, and a new app that people are installing for the first time will look huge in comparison. frick.... frick

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          There are no charts about revenue market share, but there are yearly revenue reports. It's just that nobody has made charts for those.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why would I download an app to browse a website? Wouldnt I just go to the website? Nobody buys things using phones, right?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            people dont have standalone pcs anymore, they use phones as mini pcs
            mobile websites tend to be shit outside apps
            app can integrate features such as notifications etc directly into your phone instead of dealing with browser api bullshit

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Shouldn't it be - "An ad thread!" ?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What is the difference between Temu and AliExpress?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What's the difference between Walmart and Target? Both Temu and Aliexpress are the same. Both are made in China, cheap, and sells a variety of things. The difference is that Temu is more popular than Aliexpress in the west due to their aggressive marketing. If you ask the average woman or housewife if they've heard of either, they're almost definitely going to say Temu, and they most certainly have bought there.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I didn't realize how big Temu was until I was at a family get together and basically every single one of my aunts and shit had a talk about how they just pretty much order all the chinese crap they used to get off amazon on there. One said basically everything in her kitchen was from Temu. If this is happening across the country then yeah Amazon's ecommerce will take a hit. I even stopped getting anything off amazon if it isn't a trusted brand because I'm tired of faulty fake and now with temu overpriced chinese crap on there. I'd rather buy used and reliable than new and amazon chinese.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, if you're going to buy cheap shit anyways, might as well buy them directly from the source rather than through the middleman (Amazon). If you don't buy anything that requires moving parts (blenders, etc), you're fine. Wall decorations, towels, slippers, those are cheap. If your slippers "break" after a year, that's no big issue. They're $2.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >If you don't buy anything that requires moving parts
            This is what I always tell people and they look at me like I'm insane

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What is the difference between Temu and AliExpress?

        believe it or not, temu is like a junk version of AliExpress. hard to believe, but it manages to be even worse. basically just wish 2.0

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Wish was shameless. IIRC they had a partnership with Tinder, basically trying to cash in by fencing hooker payments. Lmao.

          >Want to buy a product
          >Search for it on Amazon
          >Only see cheap Chinese shit with alphabet soup names
          >No reputable brands anywhere
          That's why I stopped using Amazon. I got burned with a few purchases where the products just broke or didn't perform properly.

          Amazon is a total gamble when it comes to computer parts. eBay is better, it's that bad.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >aws is generating like 400% profit, and compared to how expensive amazon e commerce is its a drop in the bucket for like a 5th of profits.
    They are getting wienery because AWS is literally making money from the ether.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Every time someone mentions TEMU I have to remember it's not an emulator or streaming service.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Not surprising Amazon is kinda shit.
    >never know who your're actually buying from on Amazon
    >unless you pay for prime P&P is expensive
    >they never ship multiple orders together

    I use amazon sparingly I go out of my way to buy things from other places if I can.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I live in an apartment building full of black people who waste all their money on stupid shit, and I see way more Amazon/Walmart packages in the lobby than Temu. I've seen maybe 3 Temu packages in the last few months but tons of Amazon still.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i have about as much luck finding what i need on amazon as i do on ali. their search is cluttered shit and tons of products are split into 10 different packaging options and unavailable

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Stages of slop:
    >Walmart
    >Amazon
    >Temu
    I'm surprised it took this long tbhdesu, two decades or longer. I actually like the average Chinese factory worker. I don't like homosexuals like Jeff Bezo or the Walton's. I'm fine if some Chinese oligarch gets the money

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Want to buy a product
    >Search for it on Amazon
    >Only see cheap Chinese shit with alphabet soup names
    >No reputable brands anywhere
    That's why I stopped using Amazon. I got burned with a few purchases where the products just broke or didn't perform properly.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I got burned with a few purchases where the products just broke or didn't perform properly.

      Everyone using amazon has had this happened to them multiple times and if they want to find a reason why people are leaving this is it. Even if prices were cheaper elsewhere people would still stay if the quality was better but it isn't, it's still the same shit so there's no point paying a premium for it at amazon.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The difference is that when you get burned by this on Amazon you get your money refunded.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >go to Amazon
    >filled with chink shit products 20%-50% more expensive than on Chink shit ecommerce websites
    >people just go to Chink shit ecommerce websites instead to buy exact same chink shit
    >Western ecommerce websites: Oh no why is this happening????
    HOLY SHIT

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    SHIEN, Temu and Wish are the same Chinslop sites with a different paintjob.
    You can't change my mind, I don't buy cheap plastic shit anymore

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >temu
    Cheapest Chinese shit that even Chinese themselves won't use.

    It is frankly irrelevant if amazon dies or not, or temu dies or not.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >market share by downloads
    But... you don't download products?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You wouldn't download a screwdriver.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You wouldn't steal a screwdrivers hat, and then shit in that hat, and then send the shit in hat to the screwdrivers wife.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Amazon makes more money from their cloud bullshit same story as MS. They will eat the losses and keep their share until the others run out of steam.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >market share by downloads
      This has to be the single most moronic metric I have ever seen holy fricking shit.

      /thread
      Amazon and MS can keep burning money for much longer than Temu or their billion other competitors.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >market share by downloads
      This has to be the single most moronic metric I have ever seen holy fricking shit.

      /thread
      Amazon and MS can keep burning money for much longer than Temu or their billion other competitors.

      Yes, Amazon can keep eating losses because AWS is the one generating them billions of dollars every year. But the thing you're misunderstanding here is that you're assuming Amazon can drive the ones they're buying from out of business.

      >Amazon is getting less revenue from Amazon webstore every year
      >Amazon is losing more market share from their webstore every year
      >Amazon buys from their competitors to resell

      If Amazon was put up against Walmart and Target, sure, they can win. But they're against THEIR wholesaler. If Amazon is buying from Temu and selling at 150-200% of the price, who do you think is winning?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >If Amazon is buying from Temu and selling at 150-200% of the price, who do you think is winning?
        are they really? As far as I understood Temu is just another webstore so they have to take some cut they are not the producers and in due time they will run out of steam. Unless someone powerful is providing them with funds I don't see how they can scale up.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Similar to how Amazon operates, with AWS being their money earner, Temu has a parent company in China, where they earn money from having their own shipping fleet and not having the costs of shipping overseas. Basically, it'll be tougher for Amazon to fight against Temu than against their local competitors.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Americans are quite possibly the most easily influenced, most moronic apes in the world

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What happened?
    Amazon became loaded with Chinese drop shippers. Temu has always been loaded with Chinese drop shippers. But products on Temu are cheaper. so Amazon basically offers the same products but with a higher cost.

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