Americans are not individualistic

Americans sacrifice themselves and worship the rich.
People nowadays, even in the US where it is supposedly individualistic, are considered according to their possession and not according who they really are. Cancel culture probably adds to it by inhibiting the true self and masking the individual.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, fortunately, not everyone buys into that horseshit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Elaborate

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm Catholic, a worldview that is fundamentally opposed to everything essentially American. My friends are of the same mind.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I’m Catholic
          What do you think of saint Benedictus?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know much about him outside of his Rule. Is there anything in particular about him that relates to the thread that you find interesting?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Tbqh I was interested in anons’ opinion on his Rules , and how it is or is not related to communism , and how different it is , if it is in fact different , from Hegel’s or Marx’s authoritarianism.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It is absolutely different since one comes from within one's heart, the other at the point of a rifle.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Your religion stopped existing after Vatican II. The Church as it stands now is probably the most American religion that exists.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You don't understand Catholicism if you think you can simply insert any old idea into a book and think that settles it. We are a dogmatic faith, meaning it is a completely objective matter to determine who is indside the Church and who stands outside Her. It is a nearly 2000 year old institution, there isn't anything new She hasn't already seen.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >We are a dogmatic faith
            Were*. Yes, that was your strength; even Evola acknowledged this in his essay against the neopagans.

            >nearly 2000 year old institution
            Don't you know what happened to the old Egyptian religion? There were around for several millennia - quite a bit longer than catholicism in fact - and despite all their priestcraft they went extinct, and very quickly at that. I'm not rubbing it in. As far as I'm concerned this is the second most tragic thing to happen in 2,400 years; second to the Industrial Revolution.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm Catholic, remember? I put my ultimate trust in God, not in leaders, or in any mere man.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I put my ultimate trust in God

            Don't you mean in Pachamama?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >2000 year old institution
            No it isn't. The medieval church would deem you as heretics.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Mexicanus es.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Could you elaborate? How is Catholicism incompatible with American culture?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's a very boring topic, but you could say the entire modern world is a giant middle finger to the Church, the USA making the fist and base of that gesture, a total inversion of every one of Her ideals. Take just one: separation of church and state. That is a flagrant contraction of Her basic idea of statecraft. To Her, that is no less than Satanism, a rejection of the revealed truth about God which every man is beholden to acknowledge in the same way he respects the upward motion of the sun at dawn. Rather, the Church has an obligation to guide the culture toward the good, already knowing it, God being man's highest good, Who stands infintely above in importance such comparative trifles such as GDP numbers

            How many Americans do you personally know? Mind your business

            or the rate of unemployment.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What does the catechism say regarding economic initiative ?

            >It's a very boring topic
            Because you haven't thought about it past your feelings.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >What does the catechism say regarding economicinitiative
            Economic initiative with respect to what? What do you mean?
            >Because you haven't thought about it past your feelings.
            Well, the American experiment seems to be coming to an end, which would vidicate the Church and her teaching.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Economic Initiative 2429 catechism
            Read it.
            American GDP measures economic activity
            the biproduct of economic initiative. Measuring
            GDP is not wrong.

            Mark 12:17 read it. Sounds like Jesus, low key didn't have a problem with separation of church and state so why would the Catholic Church?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >separation of church and state
            It is actually a European idea and not American. Mihail Bakunin is a good read regarding this (Marx too).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Proudhon could be argued as well

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe ascetic religious tenets were never meant to be the most optimally suitable choice of governing model for secular societies, with such having been better served by the more ritually oriented belief systems such as the old polytheistic cults; but many societies failed to give an adequately reasoned consideration to such possibilities only ever ending up instead impulsively choosing an attitude of going all in or not at all.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I would recommend checking out the works of Archbishop Fulton Sheen and reading Pope Pius XI's Syllabus of Errors for a better understanding.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Cool it with the anti-semitism, bro.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    How many Americans do you personally know? Mind your business

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do Americans simp for the rich?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Source? Example?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Celebrity worship. Not worship by some form of deed or virtue, but literally worshipping someone for just being famous, Paris Hilton, Kardashians, all American youth dreaming of becoming influencers/tiktok stars which by definition is popular because popular.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Oh, you mean women?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Men do the same by looking up to men who fake their wealth and rich lifestyle. Every cryptobro/tatewatcher is doing the exact same thing and again is a symptom of worshipping the rich to the point they are literally getting personally scammed by middlemen with fake Rolexes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Every cryptobro/tatewatcher
            Oh so you are actually just talking about a subset of people that you see on the internet? Have you ever thought that your perception might be a bit distorted? Do you not think that there is a signifacnt difference between a cryptocurrency, andrew Tate and someone like Paris Hilton? What even is "celebrity worship" anyway

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            A subset sure, but there are different degrees of believing/worshipping someone for their perceived wealth. You will probably believe a well-dressed man over a bum, but that's just smart by inhibition. While Tate is political in his nature and Hilton is the opposite, no one would listen to Tate if he did not fake his wealth and lifestyle.

            Also, since these men fake their wealth and therefore wealth is not the cause of their worship, what actually is the cause of their "worship"? Are you like some moronic materialist who thinks money makes you automatically more powerful?

            Worship is in a sense striving to copy their lifestyle and believing and uncritically believing what they are saying and the life they are portraying.
            The moronic materialists would be Americans in general, which is why they fall for celebrities with perceived or actual wealth like they're role models

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How do you know that it is their perceived wealth and not some other perceived trait like conviction in their actions or the fact that they, unlike some random bum, have their life together? Remember Dostoe: poverty is not a vice, but in destitution you are the first to humiliate yourself.
            in what sense is Tate even "faking" his lifestyle? And how do you know it's that lifestyle which is the reason why young frustrated men listen to him and not due to some other reason like spite or disgust with their current environment?
            >Worship is in a sense striving to copy their lifestyle and believing and uncritically believing what they are saying and the life they are portraying.
            ok, so just regular worship except the content is different.
            >The moronic materialists would be Americans in general, which is why they fall for celebrities with perceived or actual wealth like they're role models
            You keep clinging on to the notion that it's just their wealth that they care about but it is evident that some rich people are held in higher regard than others. Some aren't even that rich compared to, say, buffet. You seem to think that in all cases, it is money that comes first and then the fame. Which to me is completely backwards. That's why you are a materialist.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Some aren't even that rich compared to, say, buffet.
            Warren Buffett has exact 0 personal media presence outside the old-style grandpa financial newspapers.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Oh so you are actually just talking about a subset of people that you see on the internet?
            And you meant a subset of women that you see on the internet? Have you everpffffrrrt I ccan't fricking post it with a straight face you already are too much of a caricature.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Oh btw, what do you think about the idea of apostatizing to save let's say a schoolbus of children from being shot to death?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Also, since these men fake their wealth and therefore wealth is not the cause of their worship, what actually is the cause of their "worship"? Are you like some moronic materialist who thinks money makes you automatically more powerful?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You say this as if fame and popularity and wealth exist in and of themselves.
          A person becomes popular or famous or wealthy under specific and various circumstances that precede and act as a prerequisite for these things. Sure these circumstances are not always glamorous or just but they are the only thing that can logically be the object of your hatred.

          Worship is a universal human experience. You can worship a god or nature or a leader or a fictional character or a celebrity or something more intangible and abstract but worship did not suddenly appear yesterday and it will not suddenly disappear tomorrow. And I don't think it's reasonable to find so much disgust in the worship of something that if nothing else is "real" and material. You may as well find your disgust in the pure nature and root of all reality and consciousness.

          A human does not become less so due to fame, popularity, or wealth. That is to say they do not become any more or less complex. No human is merely "famous". That cannot be the singular point where their self begins and ends. If by your own metric any person or thing is equally worth of consideration than the same must be true of the rich and famous.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >A person becomes popular or famous or wealthy under specific and various circumstances that precede and act as a prerequisite for these things.
            You should have read the book, he refer to this as well. People enslave themselves to achieve these things, which dont make any sense. Mass production and decreasing quality of commodities corelare, and if the quality of a commodity decreases then it doesnt make any sense to purchase that commodity, meaning money is useless and this enslavement of oneself to acquire this medium of exchange is worthless.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          when was the last time you were a fan of someone because they are virtuous?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i think remember a guy, his name was joshua or something? and he had a lot of fans

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Republican voters who are poor.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You’ve never met one and live on the coasts

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    On the surface it might appear this way. But "worship" is a strong word, admiring economic success and those who achieve it is not worship.
    It sound like your statement was influenced by your consumption of a tabloid/social media, representation of America?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Read Understanding Media.
    He explains individualistic America--> "communist" America--> Collectivist America very well.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone who’s actually been in America understands just how heavily collectivized the American society is. The individual worship is just propaganda and in fact few societies are as collectivized; literally everything is for the sake of the community and caring about yourself as the primary focus is being greedy. When soldiers walk through an airport everyone claps. News media constantly reinforces "for American values", "rules", etc. In work life being a team player is absolutely tantamount and everywhere the system is worshipped. The idea of America as some Randian super individual utopia is just propaganda. "Rugged individualism" was maybe a feature of rural America generations ago but even insofar as that existed at all the nation was always collectivized as a whole.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Rent free, homosexual. Keep sucking our dicks forever.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Xth=#

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the true self
    No such thing.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I never understood why the common idea of "America" never reflected reality.
    It's almost like a made up thing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That apple pie and white picket fence idea is the only thing that is keeping people mentally sane. If they did not have that romantic ideal in their head, they would see the grim reality of America, which is that this place is a totalitarian prison, and its strength comes from people not even knowing that in every way that freedom actually matters, they have zero.
      You are free to engage in hedonism, degeneracy, cheap masturbatory self gratification, and gluttony.
      If you want a family, a nice liveable house, nice neighbours of your own race, a job that gives you self respect and meaning, or to send your kids to school without them coming home as dopamine destroyed gender bending weirdos, you will recieve absolutely ZERO.

      Basically, you are free to do all the things that dont matter, and banned from pursuing anything that is natural to want as a free human.

      Its Soviet-like totalitarianism, except they realized how to perfect it by hiding the prison from you with the illusion of everything being liberal happy equality world. That is what globo-homosexual is about.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The only thing that unites Americans is their fear of losing their money, and the pursuit of self gratifying hedonism.
    Any "proud American" is dealing with what we would call in psychology Stockholm Syndrome. Their life is so painful and devoid of any meaning that they latch on to their abuser as it saves them from psychological pain of the reality that beneath all the flashy bright colors and happy facade. America is a totalitarian mind virus, and this place will consume your soul if you cant find a way out of here.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Welp, too poor to travel.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Oh no Trump’s account was suspended. What a tragedy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Making women a subservient class again would solve 95% of this

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    America has always been about the in-group majority trying to limit the rights of minorities for as long as possible. Individualism is just a lie to keep the opressed alone and fearful of any kind of unification.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I know you are but what am I

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >t. lifeless non-concrete Procrustean abstraction characterizing a phantom uniform America not distinguished and constituted by regional and state characters conceived of by a mid gay

    Wilde's the English Baudelaire bearing out Napoleon's "nation of shopkeeps" remark.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You're applying a 20th century American ethos to a situation that's changed drastically. Modern America doesn't really believe in anything and is kind of just a nihilistic imperial center. No one in America believes in individualism or any other ideology in a serious way. There's no Americanism in the 21st century its just a place where people live and consume goods

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >No one in America believes in individualism or any other ideology in a serious way.
      They just fanatically follow capitalism, speak in favor of the super-rich and verbally protect them. Unless if Ameriturds on IQfy are a small minority out of the general population in the US, whilst the average Joe doesnt really have an opinion about capitalism vs socialism vs communism.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hardly anyone in America speaks in favor of the super rich.

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