Anons I have 4 months of summer to do nothing. Should I learn C or c++

Anons I have 4 months of summer to do nothing

Should I learn C or c++

Im sort of new to programming so idk which to choose and IQfy keeps giving me differing opinions.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    C++ is the gateway drug to C.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    learn a trade, sales, and how to attract women/have sex instead
    programming is exclusively for pajeets now (yes even C++ and C, no exceptions). You're like 7 years too late

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This. Anon, don't become like us and be miserable forever.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        im not miserable doe
        and i was in relations (you incels are funne. femfems are a complete waste of time. sex is boring once it loses its initial lustre)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          though

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        if you have money you are not miserable, anon.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          there's no money to be made here anymore unless you're already 5-6 years in or you're an actual third worlder. If you're American you're fricked, jobs are being outsourced to Mexico, India, Poland and Ukraine. If you're European your jobs could be next, and sooner or later you'll need a master's degree just for a job that pays a teacher's salary.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            do entrpreneurship.
            then your job is safe.
            but you have to know design.
            and thats where it janitors get fricked.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            (cont.)
            programming is an extremely powerful tool to augment your business even if your business doesnt primarily revolve around IT.
            simple example:
            with a fren we have an idea to make a fast food.
            my knowledge will allow us to automate the majority of the process-
            instead of hiring multiple people, now we need only one- the cashier

            but yeah
            if youre an it janitor
            and all you can do is to set up a cloud instance on aws youre not gonna get far...

            Most businesses fail, full stop. Regardless of industry. This has been shown by a million stats and studies.
            This is like saying "if you become a musician you won't have to worry about being stuck in a minimum wage job" as if all musicians become pop stars.

            And if you don't have experience (i.e. you don't have 5-6 years in the industry) you better have connections or you might as well play the lotto, because you won't build a successful business with no practical real-world experience. System design and the craft of building good software are things you learn (IF you're smart, most are permanent codemonkeys) by spending years in the industry, you don't get that from books or college. College is just the tutorial that lets you check an HR box.

            on top of all that, if you fail (which is what's most likely to happen) and try to go back to the job market you'll be at a disadvantage.
            https://fortune.com/2024/05/12/entrepreneur-founder-startup-hiring-interview-bias-recruiter-jobs/

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >excuses to sit on your ass
            you aint gonna find a job in IT anyways
            and while youre launching your business you gotta eat too so either you have cash reserves already, or you work.

            >most businesses fail
            yeah bc most people dont do due diligence.

            >because you won't build a successful business with no practical real-world experience
            go tell indie devs

            >System design and the craft of building good software are things you learn by spending years in the industry
            you can also learn this from practice and reverse engineering

            >on top of all that, if you fail (which is what's most likely to happen) and try to go back to the job market you'll be at a disadvantage.
            yeah, but again, you have to eat in the meantime, so either you already have cash reserves or youre working and you work on your company after hours

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            to sit on your ass
            just because it's not some bullshit positive affirmation cope doesn't mean it's an excuse. It's just reality.
            >yeah bc most people dont do due diligence.
            every hustler moron I've ever met says the same thing. You might be onto something here though
            >go tell indie devs
            have you ever actually talked to a successful indie dev? I have, and they ALWAYS had prior experience, every single time. The ones who tried shit fresh out of college failed.
            >you can also learn this from practice and reverse engineering
            your practice will be low quality and your reverse engineering will amount to copypasting until you actually get to solve real problems. You could possibly become a god tier wizard by contributing to FOSS full time for a few years (in other words, the 5-6 years I mentioned but for free). But not everyone can afford a NEET lifestyle for so long.
            >yeah, but again, you have to eat in the meantime, so either you already have cash reserves or youre working and you work on your company after hours
            you're describing a side hustle, not a startup. Which is fine, but the point of this thread is that that first job is unattainable now unless you're a third worlder.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >It's just reality.
            disputable at best
            >every hustler moron I've ever met says the same thing. You might be onto something here though
            i should, given that i already had a company. 2 men operation, but it was mine and i was the boss.
            after a couple years i had some cash in the bank so i went to cs school.

            >get to solve real problems.
            yeah. but you dont need the industry to solve real problems.
            you need knowledge and motivation.

            >The ones who tried shit fresh out of college failed.
            you fail til you succeed. and as an indie dev you still have to pay the bills during dev time so im talking about entrepreneurship as an after hours activity.

            an example of a successful indie dev would be lo-fi games, producer of kenshi.
            toiled solo on the game during the night, his job was security guard, kek.
            the virgin galactic guy was homeless when he was 30.
            ->you miss 100% of shots you dont take.

            >first job is unattainable now unless you're a third worlder.
            yeah. and how do you solve that?
            by being the boss

            >side hussle, startup
            youre need to thnk outside of the box
            especially most startups crash and burn bc theyre not about tech but about siphoning investor money
            as for "side hussles", thats how normal people start their businesses.
            normal people dont have investors. so what you call a "side hustle" is just how you get shit done if you arent born with a golden spoon in your mouth or you arent connected.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the virgin galactic guy was homeless when he was 30.
            just checked that
            its not true
            i dont remember who, but there was a well known milionaire about whom i hear he was a hobo at 30

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i a way hearing this makes me valuate my experience in construction much more
            i can go to the work office and get one of several jobs pretty quickly despite not being part of the workforce for 5 years already (3 years in school, 2 years working on my current main project)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            do entrpreneurship.
            then your job is safe.
            but you have to know design.
            and thats where it janitors get fricked.

            (cont.)
            programming is an extremely powerful tool to augment your business even if your business doesnt primarily revolve around IT.
            simple example:
            with a fren we have an idea to make a fast food.
            my knowledge will allow us to automate the majority of the process-
            instead of hiring multiple people, now we need only one- the cashier

            but yeah
            if youre an it janitor
            and all you can do is to set up a cloud instance on aws youre not gonna get far...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This.
      In the end pussy matters.
      It would have preferred being a chad with good social skills slaying pussies rather than writing boilerplate code.
      Too bad I realized it late. So go out play some sport and get jacked , interact with people especially women.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        None of those prostitutes are going to help in the actual end, you when you're old with cancer or dementia. Get a good job, one that pays well and is very comfy so you don't waste your health making some homosexual rich. After that try to build a good family (absolute lel in the west, but anyway..) and build a good network of friends and people you know. That's it, easier said than done, but it's what will actually matter in the end. prostitutes try to siphon your resources and become old and disgusting, your muscles fade, your fame fades, your life style only really works from 20 to 40 years old and that's pushing it

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just do both

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    C, then C++.
    C is a very simple language you should be able to get a handle on it very quickly.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    neither enjoy your summer outside. watch the sunset. go to a park.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Learn C first. C is a lingua franka between every language and the OS, so it's important to know. C++ is only good for C++ programs, and knowing C will already explain a large chunk of how C++ works under the hood.
    Just treat C++ like a different language when you learn it.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    c then c++
    c is a subset of c++. divide to conquer.

    learning C will take you days up to a month anyways (mastering it is a whole other pair of boots, dont waste too much time on it)

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I came up learning C and then C++ in college.
    My advice? Just learn Python. You can do more fun things with Python a lot faster, you'll be more motivated because your projects and ideas will actually work

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i started with python before going C.
      i had to relearn everything.

      python as a first language is a waste of time
      c->c++ and then learning python, or c# or java or js (i played around with each one of these) is a matter of opening the manual on a second screen
      c->c++->everything else is a classical approach, and not without reason

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don’t listen to them learn modern c++.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    there's no reason to start with C, just go straight to C++. if you start with C you will be wasting your time because you will have to unlearn a bunch of Cisms

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why aren't you a CS major?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      who?
      me?
      op?
      sepplestroony?

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    c since it's simple and nearly universal
    c++ should be treated as a completely different language

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just learn python and C# for APIs and then AWS cloud services and thats all you need to know well for a good software engineering job now

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yeah but youre perfectly worthless as a programmer then
      you become a literal codemonkey
      an IT janitor

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yeah but youre perfectly worthless as a programmer then
      you become a literal codemonkey
      an IT janitor

      cont.
      you can learn c then c++, like actual swe do
      and then c# is a breeze to learn.

      if you learn only c# you have learned nothing.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Learn to write fiction and sell cheap episodic novels in Royal Road.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >but yeah
    >if youre an it janitor
    >and all you can do is to set up a cloud instance on aws youre not gonna get far...
    and this is why you gotta eat your veggies
    aka learn programming the correct way.
    c->c++ then all the rest
    so that you have access to all the spectrum of programming languages
    not just some niche shitfrickery it jannydom.
    yes it pays.
    but who the frick cares if the trend is to fire people instead of hiring them?
    abd if you get fired, then you gomc wage or you rope bc aws is all you know

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No one ITT has told him to learn low-level languages first..... IQfy is dumber than I thought.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's a waste of time. ML researchers using Python are more productive than any low-level user.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >data charlatans: just square root it (tm)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        btw i dont think any place thats serious would accept you wo at least a bachelor in maths or finance

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    start with the simplest possible language available to you that you can find good material on.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    As others have hinted at. Figure out what you want to build first then choose language.

    Learning a language is worthless if you don't build stuff.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    man wtf do 2 ducks have to do with c++ who chose this cover

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    go outside and play with your neighbors

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why did this devolve into jobs? I guess OP question has been done to death, but still, jobs are not (or shouldn't be) the end-all-be-all for programming and tech as a whole.
    Why do we spend our free time on a board about technology? Why do we learn/play/build these things in the first place? Because it's a hobby.

    I like my job and all, but at the end of the day it's just that. I enjoy my own projects and interests in tech much more over my job's project and surrounding areas of tech it is within.
    So, why bore ourselves talking about hardly related career aspect of technology in a thread about programming languages?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >jobs are not (or shouldn't be) the end-all-be-all for programming and tech as a whole
      Tech, programming, computers... these only exist in the first place to serve commercial interests. Yes, there are academic, hobby, or otherwise non comercial interests as well, but that doesn't discount the fact that programming and automation in its essence is a commercial activity and computer technology is something born out of commerce to serve commerce and has since gone on to completely dominate commerce.

      After all, COBOL, one of the earliest high level programming languages is short for Common Business-Oriented Language.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Tech, programming, computers... these only exist in the first place to serve commercial interests.
        You've let your mind become infected by memes that are guaranteeing your misery.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Do you guys know any good C++ resources besides learncpp?

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