Anthropological Evolution

Where did the historical belief of an ever increasing trend towards neoteny come from?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People in the first cities washed shit down the river, the land around it got slowly depleted of nutrients, they and everything around started getting deformed from the deficiencies, and people though, muh superior race.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Selective breeding. Baby-faced, dumb-looking women were more likely to be preys for sexual approaches by lustful men looking, while smart, mature-looking women were increasingly left out of the gene pool, since they left few children who attracted less people.
    That, and dumb men don't like women who are too clever.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This but I think its moreso that "softer" women were selected for because of their neoteny and this was passed on repeatedly and eventually neotenized entire populations.
      If you marry babface stacey and not gigamogger becky your bloodline will die.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Explains modern neckbeards going for 4'10 yellow bugwomen and humanity going to shit coincidentally

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >smart, mature-looking women
      If they were ignored for procreation purposes, it means they were clearly seen as ugly by the average maleoid.
      Don't give me that "smart women intimidate men" BS

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It occurs in the wild-domestic comparisons a lot, several neotenic features are opportunities for increased brain to body ratio, and it includes higher sociability which is rather essential for increasing coherent group size.

    Rather ironically, civilization seems to have REQUIRED apes to become more childish.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why are you so stuck with sociability? It seems to go the exact opposite way that you propose - more neotenous people tend to be less social, more individualist.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >more neotenous people tend to be less social, more individualist.

        The most neotenic populations on Earth are the Khoisan, East/Southeast Asians/Negritos (except Austronesians with ample Papuan ancestry), and most Black Africans (excluding certain Pygmies despite their small stature and the robust jawed Nilotic African herders). All of these groups tend to be far more social than the individualist West.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          East Asians are far less neotenous on average than whites.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            By whose metric? White people have more robust facial features like moderate to large brow ridges, wider jaws, deep-set eyes, hairier bodies, larger bodies in general even if they're short, etc.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >wider jaws
            This is false. But other points are correct. Most neotenous are east Asians. Least neotenous are abos.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Where does the idea that East Asians have weak jaws come from?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I can see some value in the caucasoid, mongoloid idea, like different races have different bone structures. But people take it too damn seriously. A Northeast Asian from Manchuria looks much different facially from a Southeast Asian from Java. A Northern European from Finland looks much different facially from a Middle Eastern guy from Khorasan.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >A Northeast Asian from Manchuria looks much different facially from a Southeast Asian from Java
            Not morphologically, no.
            >A Northern European from Finland looks much different facially from a Middle Eastern guy from Khorasan
            The Finnish guy also looks different facially from other Europeans because of East Asian ancestry.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He is wrong about the jaws but correct about the other stuff.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Kpop beauty standards most likely.

            Good point anyway, they have a relatively robust facial skeleton and a broad mandible.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The stronger aspect of East Asian mandible is the width but that could just be due to the skull being broader in general thus pulling the jaw with it. The chin doesn't project as much and the chin height is smaller while the jaw height in the rear is probably larger or the same (similar average facial height but dbatably longer upper facial length reduces chin height but not the rear jaw).

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            East Asians have bigger jaws and bodies than whites.

            He is wrong about the jaws but correct about the other stuff.

            No he was wrong about some other stuff too.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Which other stuff is he wrong about? East Asians have smaller brow ridges, shallow set rounder eye sockets, less body hair, smaller bodies than whites. The only thing he is wrong about is jaw width (and only the width, not other jaw dimensions).

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >large brow ridges,
            That brow ridges are from neoteny, you won't see them in pre-modern people.
            >wider jaws,
            they got them shaved off in Asia.
            >deep-set eyes,
            are from neoteny.

            Hapas look western or asian depending on neoteny, non neotenous whites look weird.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, he's right. The flat faces, hairlessness, tiny brows, and bulging eyes are neotenous features of East Asians. I suggest you learn what it means.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            moronic post, also this girl has had plastic surgery, at least a nose job her schnoz was massive before. But other stuff changed as well.

            Babies have smaller brow ridges and shallower puffy eyes than adults.

            brow ridge and deep set eyes are from the bone on your forehead growing large its a male trait u stupid homosexual

            you can see it as human horns. If you hve a flat forehead without a brow ridge ur basicly a moose with tiny horns

            The brow ridge and small eyes result from the face not growing (that is, neoteny) as the rest of the head grows. Claiming otherwise would make the neanderthals much more neotenous than modern humans, and I don't think you mean that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Also note that the planet of the apes just made that up, that bone is basically tge eye socket and looks like this.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Claiming otherwise would make the neanderthals much more neotenous than modern humans, and I don't think you mean that.
            It wouldn't at all. They had higher set eyes much more like our archaic ancestors as well. There were significant changes among UP humans but that doesn't warrant obviously robust features like brow ridges as other features associated with higher aggression to be associated with neoteny in some roundabout headcanon like this.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong. Neanderthals had massive brow ridges just like all pre anatomically modern humans. Even among anatomically modern humans the paleithic and mesolithic ones had bigger brow ridges than contemporary ones. Learn something about the subject before spilling your ignorance here.

            https://i.imgur.com/81notGr.jpeg

            Also note that the planet of the apes just made that up, that bone is basically tge eye socket and looks like this.

            If you have a triple digit IQ you'd immediately notice how much smaller a baby chimp's eye brows are proportionately when compared to an adult chimp. Mongoloids are neotenized Australoids. Modern Abos look more adult like than modern Chinese.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            moronic post, also this girl has had plastic surgery, at least a nose job her schnoz was massive before. But other stuff changed as well.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Babies have smaller brow ridges and shallower puffy eyes than adults.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            brow ridge and deep set eyes are from the bone on your forehead growing large its a male trait u stupid homosexual

            you can see it as human horns. If you hve a flat forehead without a brow ridge ur basicly a moose with tiny horns

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/PkOo6WH.jpeg

            Where does the idea that East Asians have weak jaws come from?

            >large brow ridges,
            That brow ridges are from neoteny, you won't see them in pre-modern people.
            >wider jaws,
            they got them shaved off in Asia.
            >deep-set eyes,
            are from neoteny.

            Hapas look western or asian depending on neoteny, non neotenous whites look weird.

            The issue is that neotenous doesn't always overlap with more feminine / less masculine, having long limbs like Africans (the opposite of Asians) is considered desirable on women for example, but it's as anti-neotenous as it gets. Some neotenous traits are more noticeable in Asians, others in Whites, other in Blacks, but humans are neotenous in general.

            Blacks have a lot of neotenous traits, yet they are perceived as some of the most masculine, it's probably why relatively few Blacks are considered twinks. Whites on the other hand are a twink factory.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The issue is that neotenous doesn't always overlap with more feminine / less masculine
            Correct. Neoteny correlates with youthfulness. Which is extremely desirable in women, but also is desired in men (think smoother skin or smaller nose for an example).

            >Blacks have a lot of neotenous traits, yet they are perceived as some of the most masculine
            Cause a lot of ethnic groups in Africa usually had huge physiques, not all of them of course, but a good amount. I think what we should be saying is that a lot of Africans have strong neotenous features, yet traditionally they were considered more "apelike" despite having extremely youthful features.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >smaller nose for an example
            Women don't give a shit about nose size lmao

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pic related doesn't have a large physique. Typically bantus have a large physique, the guy in the picture looks tall slender and gracile.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No, Blacks lack neotenous traits which is why they're perceived as more masculine than changs, even the feminine Black features like long limbs and big asses are as anti-neotenous as it gets. You were close but your animal-tier chink verbal IQ prevented you from understanding.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    evolution isn't real

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >AYE! AYE! WE WUZ LIKE INANIMATE OBJECTS DAT BECAME ANIMATE OBJECTS!
    >DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODE WE ARE LITERALLY! I MEAN L I T E R A L L Y! STAR DUST! DOOOOOODE TRUUUUUUUUUUST THE SCIENCE!!!
    >Uh, of course you can become a boy or a girl, it's subjective. Science is LITERALLY a Spectrum!
    Ok.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Some christcuck is mad it seems. This isn't even "macro-evolution(lol)". Neoteny is accepted by even christian cuckolds.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pure cringe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There's something wrong with your brain

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your skull on the right is from another angle.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where indeed

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Where did the historical belief of an ever increasing trend towards neoteny come from?

    It didn't, there are still people with the same kind of skulls as hunter gatherers. As you can see in your OP that is a viking skull from 1000 years ago on the right vs a hunter gatherer 10'000 BC skull.

    I highly doubt tyson furys skull is any less robust than this yamnaya skull.

    When the hunter gatherer derived lineages conquered neolithic farmers in europe its only logical how there would become a split variety of skull structures too among corded wares

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