Any readers of Simone Weil?

Particularly anons who believe in God. I've been reading her book Waiting for God (it's actually a collection of her essays and letters), and its giving me a totally new perspective on the reality of God. Her writing has a lot of similarities with Sufis like Rumi and Sahrawardi, especially around the ideas of "attention towards God" which sounds a lot like the idea of Zikr in Sufism and the idea of "being controlled by God" which is similar to Fanaa in Sufism. What do you think IQfy?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am a reader of Simone Weil. I am actually reading "La Pesanteur et la Grâce" (frenchpilled).
    I come from a Sunni background so I don't have no idea about Zikr in Sufism but I know Sunni Zikr which is consisting of repeating some words ; I don't feel it's the same as her concept of Attention, Zikr is practically just a way to relax or pretend to get Hasanat (good points) to soothe yourself, but yeah I am a biased ex-muslim so take what I say with a grain of salt.
    I think Weil's perspective comes from her life of suffering and a contact with the real world. Sufism seems to me to be a practice where you isolate yourself, while Weil talks more about finding symbols of Beauty and God everywhere, in alienating work (see La Condition Ouvrière), this is what makes her spiritual outlook very rich, it is practical.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I know Sunni Zikr which is consisting of repeating some words
      The word Zikr literally means "remembrance". Even though it's usually accompanied by words of praise of God, its main element is directing your mind and soul towards God.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Zikr means "remembrance"
        I know I'm from a Sunni majority country and I do speak arabic, I'm talking about how it is practically used in Sunni muslim countries from my personal experience
        Religion is used as consolation for shitty life conditions, which Weil is explicitly against

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Anonymous 05/26/24(Sun)21:36:20 No.2342
          Also to add on, the accompanying by the words of praise seems to me that it nullifies the effect of those words on the soul, they become merely sounds you make when you pray/do Zikr, hence losing its meaning.
          It may be that some people practice attention towards God using Zikr, but I do not think it's systematically practiced this way in Sunni Islam. I lack information about Sufism, but I comment on Zikr as a Sunni practice (to which I am most familiar with.

          I understand. That's why I mentioned Sufism and not Islam. There's a reason why Sufism is called "the science of the internal (Ilm Al-batin)" in contrast to "the science of the external (Ilm Al-zahir)" that is the mainstream Sunni teaching.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Anonymous 05/26/24(Sun)21:36:20 No.2342
          Also to add on, the accompanying by the words of praise seems to me that it nullifies the effect of those words on the soul, they become merely sounds you make when you pray/do Zikr, hence losing its meaning.
          It may be that some people practice attention towards God using Zikr, but I do not think it's systematically practiced this way in Sunni Islam. I lack information about Sufism, but I comment on Zikr as a Sunni practice (to which I am most familiar with.

          This is a good point and sounds right, but there are specific examples where OP js right with his comparison. The eleven traditional Naqshbandi Sufi principles make much of attention/awareness/remembrance, including as connected to Zikr (both through its literal meaning as ‘Remembrance’ and in its colloquial meaning of repeating words, phrases, or prayers like a mantra).

          https://goldensufi.org/about/eleven-principles/

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Anonymous 05/26/24(Sun)21:36:20 No.2342
        Also to add on, the accompanying by the words of praise seems to me that it nullifies the effect of those words on the soul, they become merely sounds you make when you pray/do Zikr, hence losing its meaning.
        It may be that some people practice attention towards God using Zikr, but I do not think it's systematically practiced this way in Sunni Islam. I lack information about Sufism, but I comment on Zikr as a Sunni practice (to which I am most familiar with.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the accompanying by the words of praise seems to me that it nullifies the effect of those words on the soul, they become merely sounds you make when you pray/do Zikr
          Perhaps they work like buddhist mantras. Repeating a phrase apparently does have an effect on the soul eventually, even if the mind wanders

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Sufism seems to me to be a practice where you isolate yourself, while Weil talks more about finding symbols of Beauty and God everywhere
      Not all of it, in fact some of it is precisely the opposite and traditionally teaches its adherents should have a career and contribute to and engage with the outer world, even while keeping to an ‘internal solitude’ (“solitude in the crowd”, as one Naqshbandi spiritual exercise in their 11 maxims), although often of course while admitting the usefulness of periods of privacy and solitude for spiritual development m. Other dervishes tend towards the ascetic/mendicant lifestyle, but not all of them do.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is exactly how I look 2 years after starting HRT.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'd kill to look like Weil, consider yourself lucky

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moronic troony, are you hoping to also acquire her writing skills?

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i've been reading weil for years. one of the most beautiful minds of all time. i am an atheist but mystically inclined, and my mysticism has been heavily informed by her writing along with bergson

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >atheist but mystically inclined

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous
        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Alright. I'm dumb, explain it to me.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Alright. I'm dumb, explain it to me.

          You don't believe there's anything beyond this world but still you lean towards this emptiness?

          What a way to have you cake and eat it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        theism isn't the only kind of mysticism

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why are israeli women so ugly?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >From her late teenage years, Weil would generally disguise her "fragile beauty" by adopting a masculine appearance, hardly ever using makeup and often wearing men's clothes

      Taken from her wikipedia page

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is exactly how I looked 2 years ago, before starting HRT.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    sage

    >Sufis, etc.,.
    Into the trash it goes. Way to ruin a Weil thread with your Harlot of Babylon nonsense.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    reading Weil really helped me when I was first getting sober. I would also recommend Simone Petrement's biography of her, it was detailed but fascinating.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Simone Petrement's biography of her
      would like to but only the english translation is available on libgen, quel dommage

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Désolé mais je ne lis pas les juifs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ça va Melenchon ?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      mais ne fais pas l'idiot hein

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Pas même les belles juives?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      mais elle détestait les juifs anon, tu n'as pas compris

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >reading anything by women

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Very basically she came to the conclusion that Catholicism was the only true religion but she couldn't join it because she felt it was too bounded to its Judaic roots, which she absolutely hated. She hated Judaism and she didn't hide a tiny bit of it.
    So basically she was doing some very mental contortionism in trying to find other roots to Catholicism, linking up Egyptians and other weird stuff essentially "anything but the israelites please" (Lettre à un religieux).
    I think that while she was totally sincere she wasn't completely sound of mind in her religious phase, I find her political writing more interesting in spite of being of Marxist nature.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    she was like a crypto-conservative
    scruton and eliot were big fans

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