Anyone else read this and reccomend it?

By all accounts, it appears to be a serious academic evaluation of bronze age collapse rather than a pop history book. However, I wanted to check with you guys to see if there were any interesting thoughts.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    His talk was fun. There's a Bryn Mawr review (these and NDPR for philosophy are usually really good):
    https://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/2015/2015.08.37/

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for the site, I will bookmark that.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >His talk was fun
      Is there a specific one you are referencing?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not him but https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyry8mgXiTk
        He gives them on other ancient history too. The talk is fun but it might make the book obsolete depending on your level of interest in the subject

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's ok. I wish there was more on the actual collapse because it's like 60% on the societies of the day

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So, why did it collapse?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      israelites and Black folk probably.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But Egypt was one of the civilizations that didn't collapse.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It's cultural influence was replaced by greece, persia, carthage and rome and eventually colonized.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      systemic collapse has multivariate causes. probably it was a combination of crop failures, barbarian invasions, a breakdown in supply chains which transported vital tin from far flung corners of the world in order to make bronze, and perhaps also problems with a hostile internal proletariat.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    another books about the Bronze Age? I didn't like too much the Trojan War suggested in pic related

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The End of the Bronze Age by Robert Drews is another attempt at figuring out why the collapse happened. Unlike Cline, who argues for a sort of holistic systems collapse, Drews argues that Mediterranean palace states were doing great economically when the collapse happened and the real reason was purely military. Basically the cities invested heavily in chariot armies and became totally reliant on chariots for defense. But then barbarians got gud at fighting chariots, which rendered the cities effectively a bunch of giant defenseless piñatas full of gold and grain and women.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I recently read pic related and I liked it, probably a little too dense.
      There's something around half the book that's kinda shocking, at least for me, but it brings an interesting perspective.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    more the the bronze skin age collapse, amirite?

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes it's good. Been awhile since I read it but I believe his thesis is that "DUUUUUUDE SEA PEOPLES!" is stupid, and that realistically the Sea Peoples were a number of unrelated raider/refugee groups caused by a breakdown in trade/supply chains. A lot of cool anecdotes like the away from home trader telling his wife not to let strangers into the house or the one merchant guy seething for like a decade that he never got paid for his bronze shipment

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The iron is and the only thing keeping it from dominanting to the list but I will not have to reitirete my points so you know what your destiny is to make the entire time of bronze Age.
    Understood?

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Audiobooked it and didnt like it very much. All pre-classic history is so hypotethical that you either have to go full historic, which makes it boring if youre not a historian, or hey have to put maybes around everything which makes for a very poor narrative. This book goes quite far into the first category without being of actual historic value ofc.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >which makes it boring if youre not a historian
      OK, so this is actually good then. Thanks for the rec.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I read it ~10 years ago as a part of my undergrad coursework. It’s a pretty short book so you won’t be getting much in the way of detail, but what’s inside is interesting enough. I’d recommend it to casual history enjoyers and not hardcore history buffs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and not hardcore history buffs
      So what would your recommend in its place?

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >serious academic evaluation than a pop history book
    Honestly, what's the difference? What makes something like Sapiens any less valuable than a scholarly history book?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're written in quite different ways -- usually the academic one is way more detailed and also features a lot more complexity and nuance. It's not uncommon for academics to write an academic book about their particular thesis and then write a more accessible pop history version of the same book.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's definitely a pop history book. Claiming that all of civilization collapsed in one year is a moronic sensationalistic claim that no serious scholar would ever make. The chronology of the Late Bronze Age is notoriously complicated and nobody can be sure about how exactly the Egyptian, Hittite, Mycenaean, etc. records are to be correctly aligned with each other. There are also ongoing debates about what actually happened - e.g., whether the "Sea Peoples" actually existed as a cohesive group or did half the shit people claim they did. Cline's book is an extremely speculative version of what MIGHT have happened - obviously is primary aim is to sell a good story rather than get to the bottom of what actually happened.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Well a civilization doesn't collapse in any single year so it's pop right off the hop

      morons who only read the title

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well a civilization doesn't collapse in any single year so it's pop right off the hop

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Did they really have 5 story tall buildings in cities back in 1177 BC?

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does he talk about the sea people and the hyksos?

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