Are economists delusional?

Are economists delusional? All this growth, GDP, etc has risen yet for my entire life I only saw a decline of living standards as a 23 year old.

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    gdp growth means your living standards are worse
    house prices rising is good for the gdp and contribute to it but equally it means you can't afford a house

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    > I only saw a decline of living standards
    go outside OP, you're too young to be a terminalyl online reactionary, you can still save yourself

    • 4 months ago
      Chud Anon

      >LINE WENT UP THAT MEAN LIFE IS GOOD

      Neoliberals are the dumbest motherfrickers on Earth

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The lines that actually do indicate living standards went up, which are per capita GDP and HDI. What is this reactionary cope where you morons pretend like HDI isn't real? Does it trigger you that Neoliberal Democracy is directly correlated with higher life expectancy, average income, and average years of education?

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >average income
          hasnt kept up with cost of living
          >life expectancy
          >average years of education
          do not indicate QOL

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            What do you mean putting yourself in debt getting a degree there are no jobs for isn't increasing the quality of life?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            did someone force you to get a degree there are no jobs for?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >thank god i'm free enough to choose whether to live a miserable life of minimum wage or get into debt trying to crawl out of the crab bucket
            dog bles ameriga

          • 4 months ago
            Chud Anon

            The worst part is most degrees are fluff, especially non STEM degrees. But shitlibs worship credentialism as a form of gatekeeping against poor people.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            False dilemma fallacies, and gross hyperbole. You are making yourself miserable

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You are making yourself miserable
            so much this
            we don't have any problems in society it's purely people choosing not to accept how it is

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you want people to take your problems seriously, then don't make bad faith arguments

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >hasnt kept up with cost of living
            If it didn't, that would imply that it wasn't rising, but it is, which is why the US maintains an annual HDI growth of around 0.10 percent (by comparison, Switzerland maintains annual growth of 0.19 percent, but there is an upwards trend globally)

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If it didn't, that would imply that it wasn't rising, but it is

            >what do you mean you can't afford a house that's 10 times the price it was 20 years ago? didn't you get an extra 5 cents in your wage packet?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Houses are dirt cheap outside of major cities and states like California. You're complaining that house prices have to compete in an overcrowded market, because land as a physical resource is finite. Its just the reality of things. You don't have to live near the coast

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >houses are cheap, you just have to forgo access to medical facilities, schools, FOOD SOURCES, you can save a ton
            affordable houses IN cities existed 40 years ago
            we shouldn't have to go live in a cuck shed in the middle of the woods just to be able to afford a roof

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            no one wants to live in middle of nowhere iowa because life sucks there and there's nothing for you, that's why it is cheap

        • 4 months ago
          Chud Anon

          You’re dumb as frick because you don’t understand that wealth is increasingly funneled into the hands of a shrinking circle of people. Yes line goes up because billionaires have more wealth.

          But no, life for the average citizen isn’t better since unions were gutted and all the good manufacturing jobs were sent overseas. Now the most common job categories in the US are retail workers and gig employees with no benefits.

          Americas living standards were highest when we had strong unions, strong borders, and trade protectionism.

          Even socialists are less despicable than neoliberals, because they at least acknowledge there’s a problem, even if their solution is moronic.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Income is adjusted as a per capita average. Meaning income rises nationally, not just among the 1%

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          HDI incorporates GDP which incorporates rising housing and health care costs as "growth"
          life expectancy growth was legitimately good, but it stalled in the US in the late 2010s and actually went backwards with the pandemic - great job neoliberals!

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >HDI incorporates GDP
            No it doesn't

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I was simplifying, it incorporates GNI which has the same issues

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          GDP is so high in California you can't even afford to live there

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Post specifically mentions per capita GDP. Also, over half of Californians are homeowners.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The lines that actually do indicate living standards went up, which are per capita GDP and HDI. What is this reactionary cope where you morons pretend like HDI isn't real? Does it trigger you that Neoliberal Democracy is directly correlated with higher life expectancy, average income, and average years of education?

      How HDI is calculated has been shown to be flawed at best and pseudoscientific at worse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo2gwS4VpHc

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        You know it's negatively affecting the israeli youth if the devout israelite Steven Pinker is speaking up about it. That means it must be even worse for non-israelites.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >How HDI is calculated has been shown to be flawed at best and pseudoscientific at worse
        Whilst true, that guys youtube channel is a leftist shithole...
        You shouldn't be quoting youtube videos for anything.
        Just makes you look like a stupid child which you obviously are.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    You're supposed to believe that getting cheaper cheeseburgers and having iPhones is worth having a country where it's impossible to get married with unlimited third world immigration

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >brown people are why nobody will have sex with me!
      Please don't be this guy OP

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's actually the one thing they don't ruin for me. Not even the most liberal prostitutes will sleep with those goblins and all of their own women go for white men.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Then why are men disproportionately right wing and women the opposite? If mass immigration increased access to women for men then they'd inevitably support it. My theory is that mass immigration drives inflation of the value of women just like it does with housing

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        people are why nobody will have sex with me!

        This but unironically

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >me not getting pussy is the downfall of Western Civilization
          touch grass

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >>me not getting pussy is the downfall of Western Civilization

            Yes

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          so you actually hate western civilization and cannot stop praising russia, islam, iran and china.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Russia and China are also fake and gay materialist countries. Islamic countries at least don't force you to be an incel wageslave. They can easily get a stay at home wife and be a lazy bum at work or be unemployed shitposting neets. No Muslim country has people grinding away their youth for absolutely nothing

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      We don't even has cheap cheeseburgers anymore, McDonalds are pretty much pricing themselves out of the market at this point

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      The cheeseburgers aren't getting cheaper though.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    So you are saying that times were better when you were a child. And as you gradually recieved more responsibility your living standard decreased...

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its in the middle of a workday for much of the United States, which means OP is either
    1.) unemployed (likely since he's 23)
    2.) not American

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >1.) unemployed (likely since he's 23)
      Lol, that fact that you think being unemployed at 23 is likely or normal shows just how fricked up and backwards your country is. Your country is literally a fricking shithole now.
      >2.) not American
      Honestly there is no point in having a job now unless it is very well paying. Makes far more sense to take advantage of welfare as much as you can until you have a good opening. The government will happily waste all your taxpayer money on the stupidest shit so you are insane for feeling even a remote sense of guilt over it.
      Become more adept at playing the system than minorities. Frick them. That's the game they want to play.

      Then why are men disproportionately right wing and women the opposite? If mass immigration increased access to women for men then they'd inevitably support it. My theory is that mass immigration drives inflation of the value of women just like it does with housing

      >Then why are men disproportionately right wing and women the opposite?
      Because women are extremely stupid and never think for themselves. They always copy the consensus opinion.
      Middle-east... Women alert violent men to other women who don't cover up or aren't Muslim.
      Europe.... Women support immigration of rapefugees that then rape them.
      They just propogate majority opinions...

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >America is a shithole because the youth don't have to work
        okay

        Anyways, in case it wasn't already made clear, the OP of this thread is not American, so his commentary on American economics is very clearly not in good faith

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          is a shithole because the youth don't have to work
          >okay
          Lol, wow are you fricked in the head. You literally accept being an eternal dependent child for as long as possible.
          You aren't a "child" or the "youth" at fricking 23. You are well and truly an adult at that stage...
          >Anyways, in case it wasn't already made clear, the OP of this thread is not American
          You have no fricking idea if he is American or not...
          >so his commentary on American economics is very clearly not in good faith
          He didn't say anything incorrect about America.
          In fact your reaction to it demonstrates that he is right.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            OP, I really hope you take the meds you need, and also return to your discord server, this is pretty sad at this point.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >OP, I really hope you take the meds you need,
            Lol, I'm not the OP and yes, you do need to take your meds.
            >and also return to your discord server, this is pretty sad at this point.
            Lol, You're the one that thinks it is normal to be unemployed at 23...
            You're the one that brought up fricking Chris-chan out of nowhere.
            Yes anon, please stop using Discord and go outside to touch grass...
            Holy shit lol.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Lol, You're not going to tu quoque your way out of this one tard. discord lost, take the L

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Lol, You're not going to tu quoque your way out of this one tard. discord lost, take the L
            Your literally the only person to bring up discord and Chris Chan which very clearly indicates that you use discord and are obsessed with Chris Chan because he fricked his senile mother...
            You're a forever online autist anon.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, seriously, stop posting, this is getting embarrasing

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Anon, seriously, stop posting, this is getting embarrasing
            Said the guy who called Chris-Chan "famous" and "successful" lol...
            You clearly have no real friends...

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I said he was more successful than you are...looks like I'm right lmao

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I said he was more successful than you are..
            Homeless people without internet access are more "successful" than Chris-Chan...
            >looks like I'm right lmao
            Looks like you have no argument beyond thinking that ChrisChan is famous because you spend your whole life online.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're less successful than a homeless man without internet, at least they actually go outside and touch grass, Lol

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You're less successful than a homeless man without internet,
            Lol.... When were you first diagnosed with autism anon?

            >at least they actually go outside and touch grass, Lol
            Said the guy that called ChrisChan successful and famous...
            Holy shit anon... projection much?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Like...Lol....just rolfmao lmao just kek lmao lol...hahahahaha...

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Like...Lol....just rolfmao lmao just kek lmao lol...hahahahaha...
            Haha, you have no argument...
            You literally mentioned discord and ChrisChan like the autistic sperg you are...

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            just hahahahahah lmao kek Lol...

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >just hahahahahah lmao kek Lol...
            Haha, the autistic reject has no argument...
            He just has a weird obsession with ChrisChan for some reason...

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Between you and me, who do you think is acting the most autistic right now?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Between you and me, who do you think is acting the most autistic right now?
            You?
            Please tell me again about how ChrisChan is Famous and successful forever online mentally ill anon.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I said he's more successful than you are (I'm right)

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            he's not successful but he is famous
            you're calling him "chris chan" without having to explain who he is first, he has a wiki, he's been cosplayed, etc.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I only saw a decline of living standards as a 23 year old.
    As a 23 year old you've only been in tbe "real world" for like 4 years lmao
    Anyhow, this is mostly a crisis for firsties online. The Chinese, Indians, Viets, etc. have only been going up and up

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >As a 23 year old you've only been in tbe "real world" for like 4 years lmao
      That's bullshit. You are demonstrating how Your countries culture is to forever treat each other like children so that you are all forever dependent on the state. You are that cancer.

      >Anyhow, this is mostly a crisis for firsties online.
      Nope.

      >The Chinese, Indians, Viets, etc. have only been going up and up
      By escaping their even worse countries and migrating to the west to make life even harder for westerners?
      Holy shit you're an imbecile.

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Economically, society is not worse.
    You have higher consumption than people did 20 years ago. I'm a 40 years old Boomer, so I can kind of compare what people consumer then and what they consumed now.

    People are miserable because of spiritual/moral reasons.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Economically, society is not worse.
      It is worse.
      >You have higher consumption than people did 20 years ago.
      Completely wrong.
      >I'm a 40 years old Boomer
      Baby boomers are never 40 years old you fricking moron.
      >People are miserable because of spiritual/moral reasons.
      You don't even live in reality. that's your fricking problem.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because a lot of countries, mainly western ones, are intent on making the lives of their citizens worse if it means meagre economic growth or safeguarding the wealth of the ultra wealthy.

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Waaaaaaaaaaaaah I'm poor. Waaaaaaaaaaaaah muh living standards are bad, ignore that I went to school for a stupid useless degree waaaaaaaaaaaah.
    It's called working a real job and not buying expensive ass starbucks coffee you literal child. I have no sympathy for today's youth. We had to work a real job and actually do work.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It's called working a real job
      Working a "real job" doesn't pay very well.
      >not buying expensive ass starbucks coffee you literal child
      Good point, making coffee at home is far cheaper but also not as social.
      >. I have no sympathy for today's youth
      Are you pretending to be an imaginary older person?
      >We had to work a real job and actually do work.
      Once again autistic roleplaying anon...
      "real jobs" don't pay very well...

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's your fault for going to school for a useless degree in women's studies
        >autistic
        Yeah right, our generation when we were men and not a bunch of emasculated weirdos used to put them in their place.

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >That's your fault for going to school for a useless degree in women's studies
          Which I didn't...
          >Yeah right, our generation when we were men and not a bunch of emasculated weirdos used to put them in their place.
          You're roleplaying isn't convincing 15 yr old autistic anon.

          >"Economists are moronic"
          >Proceeds to argue about economics with no knowledgeable foundation or insight to complex problems

          >"Cheaper burger dont make me happy"
          >"Why is food so expensive! I'm unhappy"

          It's all so tiring, watching you fricking apes. Becoming an economist was the worst thing I could have ever done to my own happiness.

          >It's all so tiring, watching you fricking apes.
          Not an argument.
          >Becoming an economist was the worst thing I could have ever done to my own happiness.
          Because you aren't an economist and just call yourself one...
          Not to mention that bachelor master's degree level economists often don't know what the frick they are talking about.

          >Real jobs don't pay very well
          M8, a two-year programming cert can you make you 80-100k

          >M8, a two-year programming cert can you make you 80-100k
          Lol...
          Hahahaaaaaaa
          Hahahaaaa
          haha
          ha
          Oh man, that was a hilarious joke.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Real jobs don't pay very well
        M8, a two-year programming cert can you make you 80-100k

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          "learn 2 code" is outdated now, sorry

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    GDP does not measure quality of life, it measures GDP.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >"Economists are moronic"
    >Proceeds to argue about economics with no knowledgeable foundation or insight to complex problems

    >"Cheaper burger dont make me happy"
    >"Why is food so expensive! I'm unhappy"

    It's all so tiring, watching you fricking apes. Becoming an economist was the worst thing I could have ever done to my own happiness.

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >This entire thread
    It speaks volumes that mentally handicapped trannies like Chris-Chan are more successful than the average /misc/tard. The system didn't fail you, you're just losers.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >It speaks volumes that mentally handicapped trannies like Chris-Chan are more successful than the average /misc/tard.
      Lol... How in the absolute frick was Chris-Chan successful?
      Is it because he entertained your autistic ass on kiwifarms?
      Yes anon you are a massive loser.
      >The system didn't fail you, you're just losers.
      Lol, your whole mentioning of christ-chan proves that you are the loser, not the people you're calling losers.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        He has more money and fame (infamy) than you do, he's in jail for molesting his own fricking mother and he's still more successful than you are. Thats fricking sad dude, I hope you have a nice day

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >He has more money and fame (infamy) than you do,
          Lol, he barely gets by on welfare money and is well known by forever online kiwifarmers for having fricked his mom. He isn't "famous" in any sense of the word. You think he's famous because your little autistic genetic reject club talk about him all the time.

          >he's still more successful than you are. Thats fricking sad dude, I hope you have a nice day
          Lol, Yes please get a fricking job so that you're actually useful to somebody for five years and then have a nice day so nobody has to pay for your retirement pension. It would be a waste on you.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You sound very upset. I'm sorry some autistic troony has more money than you do.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You sound very upset. I'm sorry some autistic troony has more money than you do.
            Haha wtf...
            Are you in a relationship with Chris-chan or something...
            You know that Chris-Chan has zero savings and lives on minimal welfare...
            Why are you so obsessed with the lives of transsexual losers...
            Only losers think losers are famous and successful hahah.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You lost

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You lost
            Translation into English...
            "autistic sperg who thinks chris-chan is successful and famous is an autistic forever online sperg."

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            (checked)
            Translation to English...
            "You Lost"

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Translation to English...
            >"You Lost"
            Said the guy who called Chris-Chan "famous" and "successful" lol...
            You clearly have no real friends......

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Anon, seriously, stop posting, this is getting embarrasing
            Said the guy who called Chris-Chan "famous" and "successful" lol...
            You clearly have no real friends...

            I think this bot is broken guys

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I think this bot is broken guys
            Lol, the mentally ill forever online autistic is samegayging now...

            he's not successful but he is famous
            you're calling him "chris chan" without having to explain who he is first, he has a wiki, he's been cosplayed, etc.

            >he's not successful but he is famous
            No, he isn't famous autitistic anon...

            he's not successful but he is famous
            you're calling him "chris chan" without having to explain who he is first, he has a wiki, he's been cosplayed, etc.

            >"chris chan" without having to explain who he is first, he has a wiki, he's been cosplayed
            So fricking what you Asperger's sufferer.
            Of course you know about that. You live online.
            Almost nobody knows about him offline and not many people even know about him online.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Its time to stop posting

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Its time to stop posting
            Said the guy that thinks ChrisChan is famous...
            Holy shit anon. Why do you even exist?

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    This thread went about as well as one would expect from looking at the OP for exactly 30 seconds.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >This thread went about as well as one would expect from looking at the OP for exactly 30 seconds.
      That isn't funny, and you're clearly autistic if you think ChrisChan is "famous" or "successful"...

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >That isn't funny
        Nobody said this thread was funny

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Nobody said this thread was funny
          You think your posts are funny and clever autistic anon.
          STFU and have a nice day after wanking off to ChrisChan as you probably do each day.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not autistic by the way

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm not autistic by the way
            You are and it's obvious...

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Then you're a terrible armchair psychologist

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Then you're a terrible armchair psychologist
            No, it means you are a terrible liar...

            I said he's more successful than you are (I'm right)

            >I said he's more successful than you are (I'm right)
            You clearly don't know what "successful" or "famous" even mean autismos...

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            No I clearly do, since at least some people know who Chris is, and you're just a seething anonymous moron

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >No I clearly do
            No you don't autistic anon...
            Lol, no you don't...
            You are an imbecile, ok?

            Russia and China are also fake and gay materialist countries. Islamic countries at least don't force you to be an incel wageslave. They can easily get a stay at home wife and be a lazy bum at work or be unemployed shitposting neets. No Muslim country has people grinding away their youth for absolutely nothing

            >Russia and China are also fake and gay materialist countries. Islamic countries at least don't force you to be an incel wageslave.
            Cool stupid completely incorrect comment anon.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Okay moron
            And by the way, the reason I used Chris as an example is because he's clearly a pathetic moron and a low form of human life, and (you) /misc/tards are miraculously even lower than he is

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >And by the way, the reason I used Chris as an example is because
            You're an autistic forever online moron...
            There you go.
            Completed your thought for you.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Look at any Arab country. The men are all day laborer tier bums who have 4 kids each. Genuinely probably a better life than your average westoid

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Seething chud thread that has nothing to do with history (or humanities) is still alive
    Mods?

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    GDP is a useless metric.
    There's an old joke about the GDP, it goes like this
    >Two men are walking through a farm, and they see a massive load of cowshit
    >One man turns to the other and says "hey I'll give your 10 thousand dollars if you eat some cow shit"
    >The other man accepts
    >When he's done, he takes the money and says "hey I'll pay you 10,000 dollars to eat some cow shit."
    >The man agrees
    >When he takes his money he says, "I don't feel so good, we just ate a bunch of shit and neither of us are any richer."
    >"nonsense" the other man says
    >"We just increased the economy by 20,000$ and created two new jobs."

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