Are Michael and Jesus the same entity? It doesnt sound implausible on the surface. I am not a JW, plz no bully

Are Michael and Jesus the same entity? It doesn’t sound implausible on the surface. I am not a JW, plz no bully

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Neither exist, and you can make whatever fanfic you want out of the mythology.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well, Michael never claimed to be Jesus or the great “I Am”. And God never claimed to be an angel, even the chief among them, Michael.
    This leaves us with arguing they were the same but never claimed to be the same persons. The only way that can happen is if you confuse being divine with being God. God is a divine being, but not everything divine is a god. Angels are a divine manifestation of God’s Will. They can seem like a god to mortals because they so closely resemble that divine plan. But that’s all. They do not impose their own will over God, but very much vice versa.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These are the last words of David:

    “David, the son of Jesse, speaks—
    David, the man who was raised up so high,
    David, the man anointed by the God of Jacob,
    David, the sweet psalmist of Israel.

    “The Spirit of Yahweh speaks through me;
    his words are upon my tongue.
    The God of Israel spoke.
    The Rock of Israel said to me:
    ‘The one who rules righteously,
    who rules in the fear of God,
    is like the light of morning at sunrise,
    like a morning without clouds,
    like the gleaming of the sun
    on new grass after rain.’

    “Is it not my family God has chosen?
    Yes, he has made an everlasting covenant with me.
    His agreement is arranged and guaranteed in every detail.
    He will ensure my safety and success.
    But the godless are like thorns to be thrown away,
    for they tear the hand that touches them.
    One must use iron tools to chop them down;
    they will be totally consumed by fire.”

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus is Davids descendant, delivered by Michael and revived by Azrael, because Azrael resided in him like the spirit of Death residing in the split body of Osiris.
    His resurrection served as the first limb of the reunion of Israel, the namegiven of Osiris.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's what the bible says yeah

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
    >And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
    >And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
    >But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      so yes? Michael is the only being called archangel. Jesus and Michael both command armies of angels. Unless someone is trying to tell me in Revelation there are two armies of angels, which is ridiculous

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is an archangel an angel or not?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          is Jesus the Angel of the Lord? Does Michael not mean “Who is like God”?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Does Michael not mean “Who is like God”?
            It doesn't mean "he is like God", it's a rhetorical question, no one is like God.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I’ve heard this before but see no evidence for it being a question, can you explain how it’s a question? I assume your Hebrew is excellent and you could explain no problem so please do, sound more like a gigacope to me

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Uriel, one of the holy angels, who is over the world and over Tartarus.
        Raphael, one of the holy angels, who is over the spirits of men.
        Raguel, one of the holy angels who takes vengeance on the world of the luminaries.
        Michael, one of the holy angels, to wit, he is set over the best part of mankind and over chaos.
        Saraqael, one of the holy angels, who is set over the spirits, who sin in the spirit.
        Gabriel, one of the holy angels, who is over Paradise and the serpents and the Cherubim.
        Remiel, one of the holy angels, whom God set over those who rise.
        And I proceeded to where things were chaotic. And I saw there something horrible: I saw neither a heaven above nor a firmly founded earth, but a place chaotic and horrible.
        And there I saw seven stars of the heaven bound together in it, like great mountains and burning with fire.
        Then I said: "For what sin are they bound, and on what account have they been cast in here?"
        Then said Uriel, one of the holy angels, who was with me, and was chief over them, and said: "Enoch, why dost thou ask, and why art thou eager for the truth? These are the stars of heaven, which have transgressed the
        commandment of the Lord, and are bound here till ten thousand years, the time entailed by their sins, are consummated."
        And from there I went to another place, which was still more horrible than the former, and I saw a horrible thing. A great fire there which burnt and blazed, and the place was cleft as far as the abyss, being full of great descending
        columns of fire. Neither its extent or magnitude could I see, nor could I conjecture.
        Then I said: "How fearful is the place and how terrible to look upon!"
        Then Uriel answered me, one of the holy angels who was with me, and said unto me: "Enoch, why hast thou such fear and affright?"
        And I answered: "Because of this fearful place, and because of the spectacle of the pain."
        And he said to me: "This place is the prison of the angels, and here they will be imprisoned for ever."

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not canonical. the only being called archangel in the bible is michael. I don’t have to explain what “arch” means. jesus says he can call down an army of angels.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Funny that he is called Archangel in the book of Jude, the same book that quotes the book of Enoch that you call not canonical word for word.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Referring to the Assumption of Moses another uncanonical intertestamental legend

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >1 Enoch 1:9:Behold! He comes with tens of thousands of His holy ones to pass judgment upon all, to annihilate all the wicked, to convict every soul of all the godless deeds they have committed, and of all the harsh words that godless sinners have spoken against Him.

            >Jude 1:14 Now Enoch, the seventh in descent beginning with Adam, even prophesied of them, saying, “Look! The Lord is coming with thousands and thousands of his holy ones, to execute judgment on all, and to convict every person of all their thoroughly ungodly deeds that they have committed, and of all the harsh words that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”

            Jude quotes the book of Enoch word for word. Jude is also the only book in the whole Bible that calls Michael an Archangel. So if Enoch is not canon then Jude has no legitimacy and Michael is not the Archangel.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Michael is only mentioned in one book of the old testament, in Daniel, and he is referred to as the Angel Prince or Guardian Angel of Israel.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What does Michael mean? For example, Malachi is not a proper name, it is accepted to literally mean “my angel” or “my messenger”. I’m not the one saying this, the israelites are, you can look up the israelite sources for this yourself. So what does Michael mean?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            "micha" is a PIE loanword into hebrew and means "great",- coming from the same root as "much" and "Mac"Donald.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            pretty sure it says in thessalonians that jesus will come with the voice of the archangel, and I’m pretty sure that yes although quoting enoch that passage is dependent on deutoronomy, enoch quotes many books this is one instance. regardless as it stands enoch is not canonical, and if you want to accept it is you must also accept all intertestamental literature

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >pretty sure it says in thessalonians that jesus will come with the voice of the archangel
            Thessalonians do not mention the name of Michael.
            Enoch's passage has nothing to do with Deuteronomy.
            Enoch s not quoting any book, he is the author of the first books. The first person to ever write books about the Lord of Hosts is Enoch. The book of Enoch was removed from the western scriptures, the Hebrews have always been aware of the writings of Enoch.

            What does Michael mean? For example, Malachi is not a proper name, it is accepted to literally mean “my angel” or “my messenger”. I’m not the one saying this, the israelites are, you can look up the israelite sources for this yourself. So what does Michael mean?

            Micha'el: Who like El
            Gabri'el: Strength of El.
            Rapha'el: Healing of El.
            Uri'el: Light of El.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The LORD came from Sinai, and dawned from Seir upon us; he shone forth from Mount Paran. With him were myriads of holy ones; at his right, a host of his own.-Deuteronomy 33:2

            you know enoch didn’t write the book or any other book cut the shit anon. Michael is the ONLY character in the Bible called “archangel”. I hope I don’t have to explain what “arch” means, and how it is used in Greek, as in, Matthew was the “arch” tax collector I’m sorry I’m just too lazy to go look up the Greek right now.

            >Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to My Father, and He shall at once give Me more than twelve legions of angels?
            so I’ll ask again in revelation, there’s two armies of angels? one commanded by Jesus and one Michael?
            >Michael means One Who Is Like God
            drop the dogmatic horseshit and have a real conversation

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That is not even close to being the same verse as Enoch.

            The book of Enoch claims Enoch wrote the books in heaven and then came back down to earth to give the books to his sons. 366 book he wrote in heaven. Most are lost or well guarded.

            The same book that calls Michael the archangel quotes the book of Enoch word for word, so if you accept Michael is an archangel you have to accept that Enoch is canon. And the book of Enoch calls Gabriel and Uriel archangels too.

            Yahweh is the Lord of Angel Armies, The Lord of the Hosts of Heaven, he commands all the armies of heaven. Jesus was a false messiah. It is a proven fact. The Gospels are full of lies and false prophecies. Jesus himself denied the Messiahs is a son of David and he himself was not a son of David, so he cannot be a Messiah since the Messianic covenant God made with David is everlasting. All Messianic prophecies prophesized the Messiah coming from the seed of David. Jesus cannot be the Messiah. Israelites were correct to reject him just like laws of God commanded them to do.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Ok

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Test

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No because Jesus was an apocalyptic israelite who preached that the world would end within his lifetime, whereas Michael is a fictional character.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes

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