Are they ever going to become competitive again?

Are they ever going to become competitive again?

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    As much as I don't like AMD, I truly hope so. I'm also cheering on Intel Arc and oneAPI.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I thought with Intel entering the GPU market that they would provide some healthy competition to AMD and Nvidia, but it looks like all they've done is steal market share from AMD leading them both to fight for scraps of the GPU space while Nvidia prints money pandering to AI.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      People that just want nvidia to b cheaper do nothing to actually make them cheaper because you wouldn't buy one of these other cards anyway.
      It's a self fulfilling prophesy.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They were with RDNA2, 6800XT was the card of the generation. Even with their 'not as good' ray tracing it was still right on nV's heels and was miles ahead in raster.
    3 had hardware bugs that prevented it clocking high.
    4 had hardware bugs that stopped communication between the GCDs and the IOD, all chiplet RDNA4 is cancelled due to the issues.
    Lets hope RDNA5 is better - or Battlemage...

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >4 had
      4 isn't even a thing yet.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        4 is a disappointment already, if amd says so themselves

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They are competetive, just not in the enthusiast. The XTX still gets you almost 4090 raster at half the price. The RT isn't great but about a 3090 level.

      Likely 4 is a 5700 XT stage, the monster was unfortunately canceled. The leaks spoke of 50 % more compute units than RDNA3. I could live with less RT performance if the price was good. 1 K is fine, but not 2 K like the 4090. At times it was even 2.3 K (EUR). Thats not worth if unless you do AI stuff and earn money with it.

      4 is a disappointment already, if amd says so themselves

      Yes, I will likely try to refund my XTX as it seems to have the hotspot issue. If I get full price back buy used 4090, if not I would at least get a custom Sapphire. All will be fine. The leaks speak of 30 % more RT for RDNA4, it will likely be a joke. I would wonder if it can even beat the XTX and the 4080. If it costs over 400 € then it will be DOA.

      >no answer to CUDA
      HIP sort of works
      >NVENC
      Yeah the extra delay in AMD's encoder solution isn't the greatest for remote play streaming.
      >ray tracing
      I read an article trying to examine both architectures and AMD's has some significant design differences. Maybe they'll get game developers to better support their way of doing RT in the future, or maybe RDNA4 will improve its RT hardware.
      > or tensorflow
      AMD supports tensorflow.

      ..just ignore that the current version was released with a typo causing it to not compile for RDNA3 GPUs...

      [...]
      I think they tried around the RX480/580 but nvidia OEM partnerships and channel dominance meant that superior hardware at a lower price didn't matter. So why give up profits when the volume moved won't appreciably change?

      [...]
      >RDNA3 on the other hand has some kind of architectural flaw
      Do you know if it's a hardware flaw or if it's a software flaw? Dual-issue is going to demand more out of the compiler. Especially if both instructions have their own dependency latencies to work around.

      AMD needs more like 100 % more RT performance to do some progress. The 4090 is likely 60 or 70 % ahead of the XTX, if not more. Although games are also programmed for NVIDIA. The RT was pure trash in RDNA2, in RDNA3 it changed to somewhat usable. I had the 6900 XT before, the card was great but I didn't buy it for RT. At the time there was hardly any RT title anyway.

      7900 GRE and below are pretty competitive because Nvidia nuked their product line below the $600 price point.

      GRE is pretty good because its basically a software locked 7900 XT, but it has almost the same shaders as one. The memory is artificially limited unfortunately.

      if they AI bubble deosn't explode in the next 2 years, no

      Expect Blackwell to have 150 FTLOP for 2K+, AI will explode further but the gaming performance will likely embarass. People buy it anyway. NVIDIA does not care about gamers, AI and compute is now their main profit source. If you can afford a 5090 on lauch do it, then scalp it for at least 1 K more. At least try, because even if you save the money likely its sold out in under 30 seconds.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No. The deal is that they get CPU dominance and Nvidia gets GPUs. They're colluding, we've been over this a million times.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      no. They're just shit

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I hope so. The GPU market already has scant competition as it is, imagine it having even less.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Always have been. Gaymurs are just brainwashed and always pick GeForce because of marketing.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Gamers have literally nothing to do with demand for gpus in 2k24.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      > marketing
      listen
      Nvidia has better optimization and lower power consumption
      if AMD fixes those two problems they can easily overtake the mid market
      >inb4 le underclock /le fsr
      I love the fact that they've given me fsr for free ngl, but they are running second place at best
      if tomorrow amd drops the 8800xt with a good price, same power consumption than lets say the 5070 (or super variant kek) I am buying that shit
      just release better products for a lower price

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Nvidia has better optimization and lower power consumption
        Depends on the card really. The 6800 is an impressively power efficient card that can also be undervolted like crazy.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          kinda true
          I wonder what the frick is wrong with ayyymd, they had a good chance to kick nvidia in the balls and they never take it

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            RDNA2 is competitive as frick vs Ampere, but both of those gens came out at a terrible time when the market was fricked so it was more of a matter of just getting what you could even find for people who even bothered to venture into the shitstorm that was the GPU market at the time. RDNA3 on the other hand has some kind of architectural flaw that made the cards perform worse than they should have. If they worked as intended it would have been a great generation. This is why apparently RDNA4 is going to be a "bug fix", if they can get the damn thing to perform as intended it can turn out much better.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >RDNA3 on the other hand has some kind of architectural flaw that made the cards perform worse than they should have.
            Don't regurgitate mindless twitter moron babble when you don't even know what it is to begin with. The alleged issue was clocks not hitting 3ghz, and this was all assumption made from a single bullet point on a marketing slide when the whole deck was full of typos.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            OK then how else do you explain how pathetic the performance is? Do you think they actually intended the 7600 to literally be a 6650 XT that costs $30 more?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >I was wrong
            >but please address my nonsense deflection
            No. Homo.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >RDNA2 is competitive as frick
            WAS.
            I am so not getting 2 gen past tech, anon, specially if they're asking me more than 100 euros for it kek

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            nvidia mindshare is almighty. Even if ayyymd was objectively much better and cheaper at the same time, consooooomers would still buy nvidia just because of the brand name.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The logo looks like an SD card with the colors reversed

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      autismposts like these are refreshing.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I literally thought it was going to be that card when I saw the thumbnail for the thread.

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Why bother spending billions on R&D for a market that is undergoing demand destruction as we speak? AMD is making much more elsewhere.
    Nvidia used gayming as a stepping stone for more lucrative endeavors. For them, it is now just a dumping ground for yield and design rejects.
    /v/tards are completely mind-broken by these prospects.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Radeon as a brand name is toxic and likely on the way out. Radeon products haven't been truly competitive since the GeForce 8000 series, and have been utterly irrelevant since the R9 290X. There is no way it can recover from the death spiral it has been in since 2007.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong, try again.
      Nvidia only really took off with Maxwell and Pascal.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It was well-known that HD7970 is about as good as GTX 680. Not sure why Nvidia shills try to rewrite history with this braindead argument in every thread mentioning graphics cards.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        They only used the 680 as their top card for that gen because the 7970's performance was underwhelming, GK104 was a 60-class chip

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          GTX 680 released 3 months after 7970, released 2 years before 700 series (with 900 arriving about a year after 700) and had worse performance than 7970 in benchmarks. Implying that Nvidia had anything better at that time is /x/-tier conspiratard nonsense.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Then why would they use the GK104 definition, when the previous flagship chips were GF100 and GF110 and the eventual Kepler flagship was GK110? Where is GK100?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Big Kepler got trounced by Hawaii at gayming. It wasn't really until Maxwell that Nvidia started to pull ahead.
            Big Kepler's saving grace was FP64 compute in the form of the original Titan and Titan Black which were leaky Kepler Telsa for the relative cheap.
            Kepler didn't age well at all when compared to GCN.
            Nvidia's marketing aid them weathering the intial GCN storm and AMD's mishap with VRMs on earlier Hawaii reference cards.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The 290 even reached Titan levels but its main advantage was the 4 GB that later paid off over the 3 GB 780/Ti.

            When I remember right the only issue with Hawaii was the reference cooler, but thats nothing special as NVIDIA coolers used to be just as shitty.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          7970 wasn't underwhelming at all. GK110 wasn't ready to meet the Tahiti at launch. That's the real reason. GK104 was good enough to act as competitive stand-in. GK104 wasn't exactly a small chip nor was Tahiti.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    AMDjeet software will always suck, intel barely started trying and already produces on-par if not better software

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Makes sense. Sometime in the early Ryzen years, I read Intel's software department had more employees than AMD in its entirety.
      I'm sure it would be much less lopsided now, but there's no way Intel isn't still ahead in software creation capabilities.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >there's no way Intel isn't still ahead in software creation capabilities
        I'm sending a YT link because they have since deleted the repo out of embarrassment

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    No, I bought an RX6600 and it was the biggest mistake of my life
    It's like a nightmare that you can never wake up from

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      really? I thought 6000 series was fine

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      How so? I also have a 6600 and it works really well for 1080p gaming.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/1dv4drd/hub_fsr_31_vs_dlss_37_vs_xess_13_upscaling_battle/

    AYYMDEAD CAN'T INTO AI TECHNOLO/g/Y

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    > best APUs for mobile PC gaming
    > best x86 CPUs
    > 2nd place in the GPU market (Nvidia still dominates it by a large margin though)
    > open source solutions like FSR 3.1 are saving the industry from total Nvidia closed source domination
    > making competitive server grade AI hardware
    they're fine

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    if they AI bubble deosn't explode in the next 2 years, no

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They sort of are when it comes to playing vidyagaems with no raytracing and no upscaling.
    For anything else, NVidia has a well documented, well supported, well established ecosystem already and no one's gonna risk developing specifically for AMD because they can't even support their own shit. Hell, they completely dropped Vega driver support when they still had APUs with Vega GPUs on the market.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    7900 GRE and below are pretty competitive because Nvidia nuked their product line below the $600 price point.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >no answer to CUDA, NVENC, ray tracing, or tensorflow
    Nope.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >no answer to CUDA
      HIP sort of works
      >NVENC
      Yeah the extra delay in AMD's encoder solution isn't the greatest for remote play streaming.
      >ray tracing
      I read an article trying to examine both architectures and AMD's has some significant design differences. Maybe they'll get game developers to better support their way of doing RT in the future, or maybe RDNA4 will improve its RT hardware.
      > or tensorflow
      AMD supports tensorflow.

      ..just ignore that the current version was released with a typo causing it to not compile for RDNA3 GPUs...

      kinda true
      I wonder what the frick is wrong with ayyymd, they had a good chance to kick nvidia in the balls and they never take it

      I think they tried around the RX480/580 but nvidia OEM partnerships and channel dominance meant that superior hardware at a lower price didn't matter. So why give up profits when the volume moved won't appreciably change?

      RDNA2 is competitive as frick vs Ampere, but both of those gens came out at a terrible time when the market was fricked so it was more of a matter of just getting what you could even find for people who even bothered to venture into the shitstorm that was the GPU market at the time. RDNA3 on the other hand has some kind of architectural flaw that made the cards perform worse than they should have. If they worked as intended it would have been a great generation. This is why apparently RDNA4 is going to be a "bug fix", if they can get the damn thing to perform as intended it can turn out much better.

      >RDNA3 on the other hand has some kind of architectural flaw
      Do you know if it's a hardware flaw or if it's a software flaw? Dual-issue is going to demand more out of the compiler. Especially if both instructions have their own dependency latencies to work around.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >So why give up profits when the volume moved won't appreciably change?
        to fricking stay competitive? thought we should do something against monopolies
        yeah yeah I know I am a moron dont laugh that hard please

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    RDNA4 will save Radeon

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Not as long as Lisa is there. She will keep fumbling AMD's GPUs in behalf of Nvidia.

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >rocm
    no

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    There's space for them as long as nvidia keeps cucking their vram capacity

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    When Nvidiots say AMD needs to be "competitive", you mean they need to deliver at least 1.5x the performance at half the price - and then you'll consider them. So no, AMD will never be "competitive".

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Why can't they do that?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Same reason you will never be a woman

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Not delivering 0.5x the performance at the same price would be a nice first step.

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I still can't believe people overpaid for a 4070 super when my 6900xt is faster and cheaper.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >buying poodna2 with garbage raytracing performance, garbage fsr image quality, garbage AV1 hardware decoding that can't handle 60FPS videos, garbage AI performance and garbage mesh shading implementation

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I still can't believe people overpaid for a 4070ti when my 6900xt is faster and cheaper.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-founders-edition/images/relative-performance-2560-1440.png

          https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-founders-edition/images/relative-performance-3840-2160.png

          Imagine lying on the Internet when RTX 4070 Super beats your AYYMDEAD HOUSEFIRES garbage easily while consuming over 100W less

          https://tpucdn.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4070-super-founders-edition/images/power-maximum.png

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