Asbestos is technology

Redpill me on asbestos.
I wanted to see how it compared to modern insulant material.
But Google kept misdirecting me toward health-related article.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It fricking KILLS YOU

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, over a period of 20 years. Same as smoking.
      I don't care.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You have to care.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you VILL care and you VILL like it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I.. I kneel... This is how we get fast evolutive pressure to get turbo chad lungs. sure, 99% would die but imagine those who survive smoking this for a few decades.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Comments like this are a great reminder to disregard most of what i read on this website

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Woah I shouldn't take a pro asbestos comment seriously

            wow you're so smart. also, did you know that not detecting humour is a tell tale sign of autism? 🙂

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >did you know that not detecting humour is a tell tale sign of autism? 🙂
            Knowing the sheer amount of schizos that inhabit this board, one can never trully tell irony from people who believe the manure that they spew out of their mouths

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        20 year is nothing

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    asbestos fibers are not able to be dissolved by the enzyme filled sacs that roam around your lungs dissolving dust and other shit you inhale. Instead, the sac holding the enzyme ruptures, spilling the stuff inside your lungs, which definitely does get dissolved by the enzyme. Then another enzyme sac happens along the fiber, spilling more enzyme. Eventually, most of your oxygen-passing membrane is scar tissue from all the spilled enzyme, and it doesn't pass o2 and co2 like it's supposed to and you suffocate. The fibers themselves are impervious, they don't change at all, they're not dissolving toxins into your body or anything, it's just your immune system continually self-destructing on the fibers that kills you.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >asbestos fibers are not able to be dissolved by the enzyme filled sacs that roam around your lungs dissolving dust and other shit you inhale
      Isn't that true for glass wool too?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Don't question the narrative.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Other materials are physically larger, and are more easily able to be moved out of the lung by the cilia. The nasty thing about asbestos is the fibers split lengthwise instead of across the grain, leading to smaller and smaller fibers. Asbestos particles over a certain size aren't really any more harmful than a random leaf particle or bug turd you inhale, it just gets shipped up to your throat and horked up and either spit out or swallowed with the rest of your lung butter. Things like silica don't break into shapes that pop the enzyme sacs the way asbestos needles do.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >lung butter
          Could have gone my whole life without hearing this term. Yuck.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No.
        Glass wool lasts 4-6 months in the lungs. Rock wool is similar, but even itchier.

        Which is why a certified installer need a mask and disposable suits, while Joe DIY should be fine with maybe a medical mask and some gloves.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What about sand blasting material? I don't sand blast, but I mowed the area around my work where we used to sand blast. I realized after the fact that I probably kicked all sorts of shit up into the air lol.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It was easy to apply and use in the 1930s, and it is safe as long as it is not disturbed. It was used to insulate against cold inside ship hulls, and against heat in fires.

        Glass wool is a real pain to handle and you feel the pain quickly. You can still get "glass liungs" from glass fibers but is less of a problem.
        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8390950/

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      so we can solve this by creating asbestos metabolizing enzymes

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >asbestos metabolizing enzymes
        I can see where this is heading.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    stop bullying asbestos-chan, she did nothing wrong

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      have a nice day, frickatrd

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >at least 100,000 people are thought to die each year from diseases related to asbestos exposure
    this shit is ILLEGAL for a reason you wienerSUCKING moron.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      cool, they get fricked

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's just fibrous silica. I imagine it would perform very similarly to fiberglass or rockwool.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's the best material ever but the government doesn't want us to live in an asbestos powered utopia so they paid some ~~*scientists*~~ to make up some slanderous shit about it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do we have numerical data left from its performance?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Now that's the response I wanted. Thanks anon

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It's the best material ever
      No. That’s lead.
      And I’m not joking. It makes literally everything better. Except your nervous system. It fricks that up good.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    as long as you don't breathe it in you'll be fine

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Asbestos, just like lead, makes everything better at the cost of not being compatible with life. A shame.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I prefer a good short life than a depressing long life.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, you must live a long and productive life and only allowed to retire at 95.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I WILL RETIRE ON MY OWN TERM AT 40, DIE AT 50, AND I WILL BE HAPPY!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I don’t think abestos will make your life so much better it’s worth dying for. Maybe a bit more effective mundane stuff like gas at the cost of your life and IQ

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Blue asbestos is the shit that kills you, it will keep subdividing until it becomes molecularly sharp and damage your lungs.
    White asbestos has no danger of this since it's all curled and shit that can be easily expelled from your lungs. Unfortunately, politicians are fricking moronic and just did a blanket ban on all types.

    Can't let the goyim sell their houses that easily, it must be professionally cleared and demolished and rebuilt.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Can't let the goyim sell their houses that easily, it must be professionally cleared and demolished and rebuilt.
      Frick that noise.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Safe enough for smokers, safe enough for you!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >People smoked cigarettes every single day with crocidolite asbestos, one of the most toxic types of asbestos, and doctors encouraged it
      Jesus christ

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        chill it with the antivaxx rhetoric

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The science is settled, there's no place for conspiracy theories

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It looks like they specifically picked that type of asbestos because it would be a superior filter as it is a finer fiber.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's almost like scientists and doctors don't know everything

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The health hazards of asbestos weren't widely known until decades later

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >doctors encouraged it
        in the same way that "geologists said" that the Earth is 6000 years old.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There's actually nothing wrong with it. That was the problem. Big insulation was pissed because you could just buy a few hundred dollars worth of asbestos and then never need their products again for the rest of your life.

    It was too good.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >technology so shit there's a entire job dedicated to removing it

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    this belongs to diy
    and it is just a mineral insulation material, cheap bc it already exist naturally but very dangerous bc how it disolves inside your lungs
    it is just cheaper but more dangerous
    if it wasnt banned you morons would be doing a thread on why the israelite wants you to use such cancerous material instead of the safe ones we currently use

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >OP complains about google misdirecting him toward health related hit pieces
    >The whole thread is a bunch of anons penning health-related hit pieces
    Disappointing

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >aerogel
    >Cracks, meaning it can not bear load
    >Still hard to source

    >vacuum plates
    >Hard to source
    >Need to buy the correct size to tile it when installing
    >Seams still leak heat

    >fiber wool
    >not airtight
    >good insulation but still requires 20-30cm to really be effective

    >expanding foam
    >toxic if vented incorrectly

    >fabricated foam
    >Not truly compressible like aerogel, but can be sealed in partially
    >Still lower insulation value than just adding 5-10cm of wall to use mineral wool
    >Not airtight unless glued

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It really was miracle shit other than all the horrifying turbodeath. There's a reason it was fricking everywhere. Up there with leaded gasoline.

    If you want real technology debate, they're saying carbon nanotubes could be the next asbestos.
    >long fibres
    >but still vulnerable to fragmenting
    >probably indigestible by the human body
    But carbon nanotubes are still difficult enough to produce that we aren't dusting rats with them yet to test.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >but still vulnerable to fragmenting
      I'm not a chemist, but I doubt them can fragment lengthwise. They are tubes, so splitting like that would make them into graphene. This is just a guess, though, feel free to prove me wrong.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    OP, stop trying to turn your house into a superfund cleanup sitw

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >asbestos drywall
    >asbestos ceiling
    >asbestos insulation
    >asbestos roof
    >lead pipes
    >mercury thermostats
    >arsenic wallpaper
    >basement filled with radon
    >federal pacific electrical panel
    >aluminum wiring

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      aluminium wiring isn't dangerous if you know what you're doing and don't just mash aluminium and copper wires together

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >mercury thermostats
      Nothing wrong with that so long it do not crack.
      But it cracking is a PITA

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >i fricking love cocaine

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      civilized man moment

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Everybody trying to be super safe and live low risk lives are going to be real surprised when they still end up dead.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >yeah bro whats the point of leading a healthy life when you just gon' die? Might as well eat goyslop and do no exercise at all
        Kys Black person

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It was a different time

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      in 100 years we'll probably have a similar list of stuff we use now that is avoided

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        nah, they'll figure out how to grow new bodies and anything that kills you in a matter of decades is irrelevant because your brain would have hopped to a new body by then

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nope.
        I´d say post 1950s and 1960s OSHA has done its job. So long installing scope is limited by how PITA the safety gear is, the market is going to reward safer options.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nope.
        I´d say post 1950s and 1960s OSHA has done its job. So long installing scope is limited by how PITA the safety gear is, the market is going to reward safer options.

        OSHA isn't the factor here, we don't know what we don't know with material science. Right now we're replacing pipes with PEX and talking about microplastics on the other hand, xenoestrogen levels are through the roof, who knows what else. I expect our future selves to laugh at us as we laugh at Romans with their lead cups.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >OSHA isn't the factor here
          OSHA means the issues we encounter isn´t in the present, but the future.
          Image the fricking itches you get from handling fibers of asbestos. Fiberglass is bad enough, i can´t image what its like to handle refined blue asbestos

          OSHA means there is a saving on a method or material that do not require as much safety equipment.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah and that's great for current installers being comfortable and safe, but the point of this thread isn't about how it was to install, it's the part where a common material was revealed to cause long term health risks.

            I do know a Mormon guy who used to move bails full of asbestos by hand tossing them into trucks as a teen in a rural area, no mask or anything, it was long ago, he's in his 60s now and so far so good. He said it was dusty all over but it didn't irritate them much. Heavenly Father protect him long term, maybe it was a less frickyourlungs variant.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            was it the blue stuff? the yellow and gray stuff is supposed to be more forgiving

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It is a very good insulator but synthetics and better manufacturing technology has produced stuff that's equal or better for its performance. For insulation fiberglass and rock wool perform just as well and as fireproof materials rock wool or PBI outperform it. Asbestos came into common use as it's naturally occuring with such good properties. Chemistry and manufacturing caught up eventually. PBI fiber is a real marvel of chemical engineering, soft as cotton, insulation as good as asbestos and at a higher temperature resistance.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      is anyone under the impression we have hard time insulating buildings today tho?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not to my knowledge. It's fair to wonder if what we have is better or worse but as far as I can tell in this case the replacement is either better or at least equal in any applicable quality. It's possible there's some great innovation that'll never be discovered as no one cares to look into asbestos further but I don't think it's some great lost art like other stuff might be.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        many people think that we cannot , trust me , i have dealt with people like that in real life

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No.
        But as anybody who has lived in a society can attest, there is a lot of bad postwar boom buildings with barely insulation in the walls, and little to no real floor separation aside from load bearing.

        And asbestos isn´t used for insulation. Its used for fire separation, that can ALSO insulate. Today you would just use a less combustible filler, a bit more concrete, and add on some mineral wool for the insulation.
        Asbestos isn´t competing with other technologies, its competing with outdated building practices.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, fellow Anon, ~~*they*~~ are keeping the superior asbestos technology from the white man. Stuff your duvet and pillow with it, stay comfy and redpilled. Remember to breathe deep.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It works.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So thats why the towers were so good at resisting jet fuel fires

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        jet fuel can't melt asbestos

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        jet fuel can't melt asbestos

        Saddam Hussein got off the plane and melted the girders with termite charges. That also explains building 7, which did not get hit with jet fuel, and also the Iraq war, even though Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw got asbestos in my walls

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Supposedly there is no problem to have it in there as long as you don’t start tearing it open and shit.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Would be nice if it wasn't such a health hazard

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Uncontested king of flame moronants.
    Encase it in some resin and it stops being hazardous.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      its the most annoying thing in the world to deal with when its being removed or when you decommission a building

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because it was installed during a time when it wasn't fully understood, & daddy govmt demands a special way to treat it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Be building
      >Have eternite flame moronant
      >Oh no, its toxic
      >Encase in some kind of cheap epoxy
      >Building gets decommisioned
      >Still have to be broken up to be sorted
      >Still a fricking huge hassle since breaking it up leaves fibers

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Explain to me how you 'break up' an elasticized polymer.
        The epoxy would mold the asbestos into one stable piece, preventing it from shedding fibers.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The most common encasing method anon is... concrete. Or paint.
          That is what cleanup has to deal with.

          Or lets ask a better question: Why would you submerge a fireproof material in something quite flamable? Then there is no point, and you might as well just use mineral wool like the rest of us

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you know that smelly stuff that boils off epoxy as it sets? that's part of the structure once it's solid and as it continues to boil off, the plastic becomes weak and brittle
          it shatters, fibers go everywhere, you meet jesus

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    just use fiberglass, man
    my gas stove from the 40's uses it, it's fine

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Cheaper than ceramic fiber
    More thermally resistant than mineral wool

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