Asking as someone who doesn't know alout about the Orthodox Church.

Asking as someone who doesn't know alout about the Orthodox Church. Is the current schism between Constantinople and Russia really a big deal or is it a minor conflict and not a schism with capital "S" like I have heard some member of the OC say?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most see it as another temporary schism like the First and Second Moscow-Constantinopole schism

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    A russian priest once wanted to not give me communion because he thought i was antiochian for being arab

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >antiochian for being arab
      Do you mean under Constantinople or do you mean Oriental Orthodox (Miaphysite)?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >under Constantinople
        ??
        Antioch is it's own Eastern Orthodox patriarchate

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I pronounce an anathema on that priest. Refusing to give Communion is not in his powers.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Is the current schism between Constantinople and Russia really a big deal
        They will pretend it isn’t in debate, but in reality is means they Motte and Bailey because they need to switch between the Churching invisible and also there only being 1 true church that has visible boundaries.

        >I pronounce an anathema on that priest. Refusing to give Communion is not in his powers.
        Pronouncing anathema isn’t within your powers if you are a layman, so you may have just accidentally anathematised yourself by posting that. An anathema is a curse to someone to hell, to use it so frivolously shows that you are either uneducated and shouldn’t use the word or that you are committing the sin of rash judgment.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          He anathemized himself first by refusing Communion so me double damning him is not going to do any harm. Your point is moot and shows your legalistic mindset and approach to Christianity. Nonetheless, thank you for looking after my immortal soul.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Your point is moot and shows your legalistic mindset and approach to Christianity.
            >t. a layman literally attempting to anathematise (curse) a priest despite having limited knowledge of the situation or what was going on in the priests head because he is blindly going off legal code.
            Anon, I……….. nope this is so dumb and hypocritical I has to be bait. I’m not taking it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >implying you have the power to discard my opinion
            come on now, I think I'm the one being baited

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        He does it pretty regularly apparently

        Were they ROCOR? They're real wacky about stuff like re-baptism.

        Yes, he was ROCOR

        [...]
        Thing is, I heard some parts in Antioch which are in communion with the myaphisites, so it could be that.
        [...]
        Also this.
        [...]
        >They will pretend it isn’t in debate, but in reality is means they Motte and Bailey because they need to switch between the Churching invisible and also there only being 1 true church that has visible boundaries.
        The view of the church is that it has both an invisible and visible side to it while still being one, similar to Jesus being both God and Man. The view of it is somewhat similar to catholics.
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_invisible
        >Eastern Orthodox theologian Vladimir Lossky too characterizes as a "Nestorian ecclesiology" that which would "divide the Church into distinct beings: on the one hand a heavenly and invisible Church, alone true and absolute; on the other, the earthly Church (or rather 'the churches'), imperfect and relative".

        Nothing to do with Miaphysitism, he also wanted to reject my confession for suspecting me being antiochian; he also often refuses communion to people if they havent recited some prayer 1-2 nights before communion or if he thinks "they dont know anything"; he also made fun of a teenage convert for fasting due to being somewhat overweight

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Were they ROCOR? They're real wacky about stuff like re-baptism.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >under Constantinople
      ??
      Antioch is it's own Eastern Orthodox patriarchate

      Thing is, I heard some parts in Antioch which are in communion with the myaphisites, so it could be that.

      Were they ROCOR? They're real wacky about stuff like re-baptism.

      Also this.

      >Is the current schism between Constantinople and Russia really a big deal
      They will pretend it isn’t in debate, but in reality is means they Motte and Bailey because they need to switch between the Churching invisible and also there only being 1 true church that has visible boundaries.

      >I pronounce an anathema on that priest. Refusing to give Communion is not in his powers.
      Pronouncing anathema isn’t within your powers if you are a layman, so you may have just accidentally anathematised yourself by posting that. An anathema is a curse to someone to hell, to use it so frivolously shows that you are either uneducated and shouldn’t use the word or that you are committing the sin of rash judgment.

      >They will pretend it isn’t in debate, but in reality is means they Motte and Bailey because they need to switch between the Churching invisible and also there only being 1 true church that has visible boundaries.
      The view of the church is that it has both an invisible and visible side to it while still being one, similar to Jesus being both God and Man. The view of it is somewhat similar to catholics.
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_invisible
      >Eastern Orthodox theologian Vladimir Lossky too characterizes as a "Nestorian ecclesiology" that which would "divide the Church into distinct beings: on the one hand a heavenly and invisible Church, alone true and absolute; on the other, the earthly Church (or rather 'the churches'), imperfect and relative".

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's political, but like with everything Orthodox, it risks becoming religious as well. Even the infamous Great Schism started as a geopolitical issue, and only become something more when Patriarch Photius had the bright idea to "depose" the pope unilaterally. Priest celibacy and the Filioque were used as flimsy but convenient excuses by the Imperial Church, and the Popes doubled down with the forgery known as Donation of Constantine.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they were in conflict in 1467 and 1560 and also in 1996
    its just russians upset about greeks not respecting their ex-kgb ruski mir nonsense, nobody else is denying anyone communion among normal churches

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Literally the only thing this schism means is that priest from the Constantinopolitan acrhdiocese cannot co-celebrate divine liturgy with Russian priests. The laity are not affected by this. Also I want to remind you that things like this happened constantly in Church history.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >The laity are not affected by this
      That’s an objective lie.
      >and for the laity to participate in sacraments administered in its churches.
      I encourage you to go to confession. If it wasn’t a lie and was just a claim made in ignorance I encourage you to go back.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Ah my mistake, it doesn't affect laity from those who are in Greek parishes. As far as I know Greek laity can still participate in divine liturgy and the sacraments in a Russian parish. I attend an Antiochian church so I am admittedly quite disconnected from the schism.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm Russian. We still like our Greek brothers. There is a problem with Putin's anti-Ukrainian & anti-Western ressentiment, but when two Ukrainian Churches (УПЦ и ПЦУ) will unite, all misunderstandings between Russians and Greeks will dissapear.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >We still like our Greek brothers
      LOVE. Love Greek brothers.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >anti-Western ressentiment
      What are you smoking? Because I want some.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      athis can only happen, and will happen, if there is a regime change in Russia

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Its purely political. The Constantinople Church is a puppet of US interests, but religion has literally always been window dressing for political interests. Sorry to say.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Moscow Patriarchate is offended because they perceive it as the manifestation of political interests in religious matters. Its branch had the majority in Ukraine, being the only canonical branch in the country until 2018, and the decision to grant autocephaly to Kiev Church under Constantinople Patriarchate in a union with previously noncanonical national branches came after an investigation done by vicar of Estonian Apostolic Orthodox Church, where Estonia itself has been divided in a similar manner and the Moscow Patriarchate still has a majority of the faithful over there. Moscow Patriarchate tolerated this over Estonia but no longer wishes to tolerate this over Ukraine.
    The issue here is that the Moscow Patriarchate doesn't have the means to revert this process outside of escalation of the dispute, which would involve persecuting and closing down the non-canonical (in their view) churches on the territory of Ukraine, which may or may not happen in case Russia wins in Ukraine. As long as the UOC-MP doesn't commit something this drastic they will keep playing the moral high ground card. Because they will not forget that the current majority of churches by OCU is achieved thanks to vidrel.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Ancient churches in the first millennium were routinely in and out of schism with one another. It is a nothing burger

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