Atheists, why do you think Islam is successful?

I'm not asking believers, especially muslims, why you think Islam is successful, because you'll just answer "It's the true religion/Allah is the true God"

I'm asking fellow Atheists (or realistic agnostics/believers, as much as they may exist) why you think Islam is successful.

Psychological, sociological, cultural, economical, political reasons.

Is it because, unlike Christianity, it makes its believers feel good about themselves and justified?
Because it makes men proud and glorifies their masculinity and power over women and non-muslims?
Because it makes living in shithole desert countries bearable with promise of afterlife and earthly power and conquest?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It is?

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Successful in what, shitting out a ton of useless inbred brown bugpeople? Mudslimes should be thankful the Earth is ruled bu the white man and some AI, because from a purely pragmatic standpoint, they should've been wiped out

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Successful in term of number of believers, the strength of their conviction and willingness to spread said religion. Islam is particularly efficient at occupying minds and spreading to other minds and I'd like to understand why.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Successful in term of number of believers
        Christianity has more believers than Islam
        >the strength of their conviction and willingness to spread said religion
        Muslims get cucked by radical Buddhists in conviction and by Jehovah's Witnesses in proselytism
        >Islam is particularly efficient at occupying minds and spreading to other minds
        Islam is the fastest growing religion by birth rates, not conversion

        • 1 month ago
          Sage

          >Buddhists
          Highest suicide rate
          >Jehovas Witnesses
          Still an irrelevant cult

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Highest suicide rate
            Huh? Are you confusing Buddhism with Christianity?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Holy shit it's low for the Muslims

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is a moral judgement. I'm talking about numbers and behaviour.
      If said inbred bugpeople manage to spread and eliminate all "non-believers", they will have been successful in spreading their ideology to the whole world, no matter how shitty they are.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        By that metric of a "success", wienerroaches outdo you by many orders of magnitude.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      chud at least browns have the excuse of Islam you're a genetic dead end incel whilst being "white" and 1st world.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nietzsche calls it "the will to stupidity".

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      damn she was a cutie too.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It isn't, and is currently just being kept alive by oil money. Most 'muslims' are about as islamic as your average westoid is 'christian'. It's at best merely a culture, and at worst a tradlarp, which is set to become the Eastern version of Americanized Evangelical Christianity. I do wonder what kind of economical system they will pick though, probably the moronic monarchist-leninism that's increasingly popular in the third world, such as in South-Africa

    • 1 month ago
      Une Chienne Andalou

      >which is set to become the Eastern version of Americanized Evangelical Christianity
      This has already happened. Salafis are literally the incarnation of the “sky daddy” memes that atheists spam about Christians. They’re ass-backwards, belligerent, irredeemably retrograde, fundamentalist assclowns.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think Islam is on the rise and poised to overtake Christianity as the most populous flavor of Abrahamic religion because of its doctrine's slightly more universal appeal.
    >inb4 violent or otherwise radical quotes from the Quran or its followers
    The Bible is primitively radical at times too. Including the NT. It's an inescapable part of the Abrahamic God's nature.
    >Is it because, unlike Christianity, it makes its believers feel good about themselves and justified?
    My knowledge of the religion and its traditions are pretty limited, but I have quite a few Muslim friends that have religious frameworks rooted in self-improvement. I can't tell you where they pull this from, but there does seem to be appeal in seeking an identity that not only remains congruent with modern social dynamics, but thrives despite them. I'd say whatever causes this is the advantage Islam has over Christianity.
    >Because it makes men proud and glorifies their masculinity and power over women and non-muslims?
    >Because it makes living in shithole desert countries bearable with promise of afterlife and earthly power and conquest?
    Haven't seen these influences from my Muslim friends. I guess it's practiced in a very different way in the Western world (I'm American, most of my Muslim friends are first or second generation immigrants from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Turkey).
    Islam seems to have all the appeals of Christianity over Judaism and more. A straightforward firmware update. From the outside looking in, that is.

    • 1 month ago
      Une Chienne Andalou

      >I think Islam is on the rise and poised to overtake Christianity as the most populous flavor of Abrahamic religion
      Which is a shame considering Judaism is probably the most philosophically coherent one of them all.
      >because of its doctrine's slightly more universal appeal.
      This is just ridiculous. Islam is only slight more universal than Judaism, which isn’t saying much. Similar to how if you made a venn diagram of israeli culture and Judaism the religion you would probably have a circle, Islam is so blatantly Arabcentric it’s not even lowkey about it. It’s also an inherently imperialist religion.
      Out of all the Abrahamic religions, Chrisitanity is the most “universal” and in the big picture it still falls short because all Abrahamic religions are devotional religions which means it will always be exclusive.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > Islam is so blatantly Arabcentric it’s not even lowkey about it
        I'd believe that certain teachings within Islam could be Arabcentric, but my brief reading of an English translation of the Quran and experiences with Muslims would have me believe either a) religious identity downplays national/ethnic characteristics in its modern forms of expression b) there are traditions in place which override treatment of national/ethnic characteristics as more important than generalized, universal devotion.
        In other words, there is a form of modern practice in Islam where it seems congruent with themes of peace and universality. I'd liken it to forms of Christian evangelism where some of the mystical and ethnocentric themes are downplayed and the humanistic teachings of the gospel take center stage. Something of importance to note is that these themes can be directly lifted from Christianity as core Islamic theology- as the Injil is the teachings of Christ as a prophet of Allah.

      • 1 month ago
        Sage

        >Islam is so blatantly Arabcentric it’s not even lowkey about it
        Aside from the fact that it insists that the Quran should be read in Arabic, I fail to see how it's "arabocentric" or close to the ethnocentricism of judaism

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Quran and thus Arabic are co-eternal with Allah
          >Focus on Arabic means Ulema is also staffed by Arabs
          >Mandatory pilgrimage to Arabia for everyone

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Aside from the fact that it insists that the Quran should be read in Arabic, I fail to see how it's "arabocentric"
          You need a new pair of glasses.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Thank you all then, I guess I had an imaginary vision about what Islam was like, seeing how it's gaining some political leverage in Europe currently. Glad it's not as bad as I thought.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What you wrote and
    >much description of hell to terrify people
    >much description of heaven to seduce them
    >extremely authoritative tone throughout the entire quran
    >small, easy to learn and remember
    >endless promotion of the idea that believers are the good guys and non-muslims are the bad guys
    >circumcision
    >social and familial pressure

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's because it's the true religion/Allah is the true God

    T. Atheist/agnostic mostly agnostic tbh

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Shitskins are moronic. Islam in albania and Bosnia is almost identical to christianity

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Same reason as Christianity: aggressive, sometimes violent proselytizing with the promise of heaven and threat of hell.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    in what way is islam successful? all islamic countries are shitholes lmao.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Violence and ignorance, Muslim nations are backwater and illiterate and Muslims violently hold up their religious values either through social violence or physical violence.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    thanks to traditional values, morality, and control over their wives, they reproduce well
    This is the only thing they are successful at, but this is enough for them to completely replace whitey over time.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >traditional values, morality
      You don't know anything about islam if you think this is what they actually have.

      • 1 month ago
        Sage

        values
        Yes they do. All cultures have traditional values moron

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think Islam is so successful because so many people are born into it and taught it’s the only option. Christianity has the same factor for success. The teachings in both center strongly on the divinity of man and woman as a union in which they are meant to make a lot of kids. Christians are falling behind because they live in a culture of birth control.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's successful only in terms of spreading. This islam does well by appealing to young men and giving them a permission to aggrandize themselves under the pretext of spreading religion.

    Islam however is absolutely abysmal for building a functional society. It only seemed workable only when the rest of the world was in a post apocalyptic state to which Islam itself heavily contributed.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's just a social trend.

    Islam plays about conspiracy theories, political change, traditional family order, etc. Plus Islamic preachers are very straight-to-the-head even if it means lying, whereas Christians in Western countries face a lot of criticism and are much more accurate in their preaching.

    Plus immigration, novelty, political correctness and stuff like that.
    Whereas in less developed countries is violence(islamists always used violence and power to convert people in their religion, i was reading a Russian historical document recently from 1500s and there the person who travelled in India was multiple times almost forced ro convert to Islam with threats of violence).

    But new Christian generation is coming, new Christian preachers are coming, and they start to imitate what apostles didin the first century and talk to people directly and sincerely, which is in my view one of the main difference between Christianity and Islam - sincerety vs coercion

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >islam
    >spread
    Birthing more people does not count as a religion spreading. It only spread through force, in modern times the number of muslims only goes up because they breed like wienerroaches.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because of brutal conquests. Why did you not even consider that?

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    because they are patriarchal and aren't afraid to kill prostitutes

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >gain a strangle hold on the middle east and hold onto it by being barbaric and brutal
    >find yourself sitting on the largest amount of the most valuable resource in industrial times
    idk how what do you think?

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    "I want to move to a muslim country" - nobody

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It actively discourages questioning, doubting and thinking for yourself.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In Quran "Will you not think" is repeated more times than "Will you not believe" :')

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It only asks you to think in order to confirm it.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >leave islam
    >Everyone wants you dead
    For most people this isnt worth it.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Certainly one reason is the religious foundation of courts and laws in sharia. Doing trade with Muslims was great because they all agreed on the same set of laws and you could hold court anywhere with an imam

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    State religion of a big and powerful empire, Christianity has the same thing going but with Rome instead of the Caliphate.
    Lets it become identified with civilization and gets a lot of people invested in spreading the faith.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's momentum from the Caliphate days. While Europe was still piecing itself together (and burning itself down after), the Arabs were dominating the trade world thanks to their prime position between the great empires. The clever usage of tax breaks and trade protections for Muslims, along with generally fricking over anyone in their jurisdiction that WASN'T a muslim, resulted in Islam spreading remarkably far across the world in a short time, with a lot of places converting just to get it good with the Abbasids and what have you.

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