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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And in darkness bind them?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't know I never watched that shit but I might get an AV1 rip and take some AVIF keyframe screencaps

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "One to rule them all" is what the bad guys want, lol.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Deprecated by JPEG XL

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only in lossless which doesn't really matter on the internet where bandwidth is expensive.

      it will take time, jpeg is around 32 years old and still well liked

      All new android 14 phones are getting hardware acceleration for it. I can see adoption booming in the next few years.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Only in lossless
        Lies, lies, and more lies, come on, pixxie, we've been through this many countless times already.
        JXL thoroughly demolishes AVIF in imagery, there's no point for it other than as a byproduct of AV1 video, where it definitely has a use-case.
        https://cloudinary.com/blog/jpeg-xl-and-the-pareto-front

        Trying to wing it by using ONE FORMAT TO RULE THEM ALL is moronic, because there is no such thing as a 'Eierlegende Wollmilchsau':
        https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eierlegende_Wollmilchsau

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Can we see the chart below 1 BPP? Or do you have something to hide?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Weird how this graph starts at 1.7 when the estimated average of images on the internet is around 1.2 to 1.5. It's almost like someone is trying to hide something here.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >estimated average of images on the internet is around 1.2 to 1.5
            lmao

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Someone botched that chart up real bad because a 4K image at 3 BPP is already 3MB in file size and high traffic websites like 9gag have already begun using webp around 1 BPP.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Most images are not 4K.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They're even higher than that. Phones have had 50-100 MP cameras for a while now.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No website serves such dimensions by default. You don't really seem to have a basic awareness of how common popular websites work.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >adds up to 250%
            Lmao nice try

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Learn what a percentile is.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Percentile my ass

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            (Source: https://almanac.httparchive.org/en/2022/media#bits-per-pixel

            Typo “2021” instead of “2022” is in the source. The real 2021 chart at https://almanac.httparchive.org/en/2021/media#bits-per-pixel is different.)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            see

            Someone botched that chart up real bad because a 4K image at 3 BPP is already 3MB in file size and high traffic websites like 9gag have already begun using webp around 1 BPP.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Exactly the other way around.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You came to an AVIF thread to shill your meme format that nobody even mentioned, how is it the other way around?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Only in lossless which doesn't really matter on the internet where bandwidth is expensive.

        [...]
        All new android 14 phones are getting hardware acceleration for it. I can see adoption booming in the next few years.

        JPEG XL destroys AVIF in lossless and lossy

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >destr-ACK

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >anime shit with fake conversions
            Go away, pixdav

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            now post the source file
            >it's a frame from an AV1 video
            you fricking moron

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://aomedia.org/membership/members/

        AVIF was designed by tech companies, jpegxl dead on arrival garbage is irrelevant

        >destr-ACK

        Frick off, Daiz, at least set your nickname so you're easier to ignore

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          rent free

          I don't even know who that is btw

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it will take time, jpeg is around 32 years old and still well liked

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    https://aomedia.org/membership/members/

    AVIF was designed by tech companies, jpegxl dead on arrival garbage is irrelevant

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would be nice if you autists made more 4K AVIF anime images under 100KB. israelite xl does not like anime, like at all. Also does anyone know of an android file browser that supports AVIF software decoding? I really want to support AVIF but I don't want to drop a couple hundred bucks on a new phone lol.

    https://files.catbox.moe/ycknht.avif

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >file browser
      Wait 5 more years, unironically.
      But for an image gallery, fossify gallery works with avif.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Friendly reminder that Daiz was permabanned and that despite the shitposting, he actually knew a thing or two about encoding. The AVIF shill is pixDAIZ, a much lower form of scum who doesn't know a damn thing, and claims to have chosen that name because he admires the original Daiz.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      See

      [...]

      >I'm just a fan of DAIZ

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And e.g.

        [...]

        >btw I'm not OG DAIZ

        [...]

        >I'll probably never match up to the OG DAIZ but I'll try.

        [...]

        >As a DAIZ fanatic who failed the A+ TWICE
        etc.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. pixDAIZ shared a screenshot that exposed him as a noencoding wincuck. I also doubt that this anon is pixDAIZ because, while both shill keyframe extraction as the second coming of Christ, pixDAIZ also had a personal crusade against 8-bit video and image encoding. I haven't seen that discussion surface since his tripname disappeared. We might have a double imposter among us.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Inb4 misinformation about JXL and animation.

    In fact, JXL is superior as a complete GIF replacement. This GIF here can be losslessly converted to a 332 kB JXL. To match that with AVIF, you'd have to irreversibly compress it.
    https://files.catbox.moe/k62o5n.jxl

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You won't do a 4K version because you don't want people to know the truth.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        homie, I don't need a 4K of that, thanks.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          That's mr doctor Black person to you.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And I eat professors for breakfast, Black person.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I won't do a 4K version because the source isn't 4K, Einstein.

        It's totally doable in theory, though.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can't even view so who cares

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All the people who want this work.
        And Google's standing in the way, stubbornly blocking JXL in Chrome, which has market domination.
        Ergo, Google controls the web standards.
        Where my anti-trust Black folk at?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >And Google's standing in the way
          And it's not like they're just lazy or incompetent.
          It was in the pipeline, then got removed again.
          The official reason: No use-case.
          There was an outcry, among which even some of the FA(G)MAN corporations were.
          There's definitely something shady going on.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >There's definitely something shady going on.
            Well, yeah. They were quite open about the fact that they removed JXL on the advice of AVIF devs.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >And Google's standing in the way
          And it's not like they're just lazy or incompetent.
          It was in the pipeline, then got removed again.
          The official reason: No use-case.
          There was an outcry, among which even some of the FA(G)MAN corporations were.
          There's definitely something shady going on.

          Wasn't it because microsoft owns coding patents that pertain to joeg xl? Google's skinned browsers not adopting jpeg xl I can understand but firefox hasn't enabled it by default which is VERY fricking unusual.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >All the people who want this work.
            So literally nobody?
            >Ergo, Google controls the web standards.
            We firefoxbros have been telling you this for over a decade and you didn't listen and now suddenly when it's about israeliteXL it's an issue?

            Firefox is Google's Potemkin village.
            They're not implementing, because the market leader (Google) isn't.
            Yes, I never switched from Firefox since I switched to it from Internet Explorer.
            Except, well, LibreWolf now, instead.
            JXL not being adopted is just ANNOYING.
            Like frick off, israelitegle, just frick off.
            Implement IF YOU WANT A SIMPLE PR WIN.
            Fricking pajeet homosexuals, DELIVER sometimes, don't just bullshit.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            firefox is just controlled opposition mate

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >All the people who want this work.
          So literally nobody?
          >Ergo, Google controls the web standards.
          We firefoxbros have been telling you this for over a decade and you didn't listen and now suddenly when it's about israeliteXL it's an issue?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh no no no

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nice fake poll bro, I remember the thread and multiple avifbros saying they won't vote because vpn usage was not disabled

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Literally one post is multiple users
            What a massive fricking cope.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Said the Applegay when WebM's were first introduced on IQfy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >10.9MB GIF
      https://files.catbox.moe/bs2fl5.gif
      >9.7MB JXL
      https://files.catbox.moe/azhb9r.jxl
      >1.6MB AVIF
      https://files.catbox.moe/8p68if.avif

      Also tell me how to make lossy animated jxl plox, I must be doing something wrong because I keep getting core dumped when trying to specify a lower quality

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >yuv444p(tv)
        That's not guaranteed to be lossless by GIF standards. I get 15MB trying to replicate it. If you're compressing it, that just proves my original point.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Here's some more avif within 4chin file limit that I made for fun if anyone's interested, all done at default speed avifenc because anymore takes eons on my poorgay 2400g
          https://files.catbox.moe/yr66f4.avif
          https://files.catbox.moe/05gtla.avif
          https://files.catbox.moe/s1w4ms.avif
          https://files.catbox.moe/wv4rar

          >yuv444p(tv)
          I just extracted from the source as a y4m then to lossless apng from which the jxl was converted. I'm unsure how to extract losslessly without colour compression. Sorry if im doing something wrong btw, im not an expert on this

          >If you're compressing it, that just proves my original point.
          But I'm trying to find out which of two is better at < 4MB in terms of animation so when support for one of these is added I can upload it here.
          Which begs the question, how do I encode lossy animated jxl? I tried using both -d and -q in cjxl but it wont work for me, it keeps defaulting to lossless

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If it's a y4m, then it's a different story.

            My phone struggles with it despite being a brand new Pixel 8, probably due to the pixel format. Absolutely not viable

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >My phone struggles with it despite being a brand new Pixel 8, probably due to the pixel format
            Here's one with yuv420:
            https://files.catbox.moe/s6z5f2.avif
            Does this help? It would be a real shame if you couldnt play these even on newer phones

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can view the AVIF just fine but not the jxl. FRICK IT, if firefox won't stop being googles little b***h than this thing is DOA for me.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If AVIF's were added, that Evangelion WebM would fit the size constraints of all boards simply by removing the audio.

    Honestly though, animations should be banned.
    Just like with JXL, you cannot tell if there's any animation based on the file extension alone. It would be very exploitable by trolls. Videos should remain videos.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone 175MB: https://files.catbox.moe/o4p467.webm

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bunp

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >using a video codec
    >making an image with it
    >putting it in an image container

    Already pretty fricking stupid, but imagine
    >using a video codec
    >making a video with it
    >still putting it in an image container

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's actually a VERY novel solution to video screenshots (ie make up most images on the web). Instead of butchering the quality of say a 4K AV1 keyframe by using something stupid like jpeg xl you just mux the AV1 keyframe into an AVIF file.

      That said the success of AVIF entirely depends on the adoption of AV1.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >video screenshots (ie make up most images on the web)
        Why is it that you demand a source (which you proceed to ignore) on any claim that discredits you, but you feel perfectly comfortable spouting this bullshit constantly?

        >putting it in an image container
        And we should use a worse codec for videos because..?

        You shouldn't. Use a video codec for videos, and an image codec for images. It's pretty damn simple.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Use a video codec for videos, and an image codec for images. It's pretty damn simple.
          Videos are just images. That's like saying an animated gif is a video and not an image.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That's like saying an animated gif is a video and not an image.
            Yes. It is. That's why GIF is so damn bad and everyone on this site prefers WEBM.

            Even from a purely technical standpoint that completely ignores real usage, there's an obvious difference that images are 2D and videos are 3D. But considering the implications of real-world usage means they have entirely different requirements, e.g. videos don't need progressive decoding, images don't need to be so complex that they require dedicated hardware, different types of loss are noticed in different amounts, and so on.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >everyone on this site prefers WEBM
            We prefer webm because it has far better compression and more features, not because it's a video
            >images are 2D and videos are 3D
            Black person what

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >using a video codec
      >making a video with it
      >still putting it in an image container
      Enlighten me as to why this is moronic, seems like a decent replacement to gif unless you have other ideas

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, it's called libvpx WebM

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It requires a video player which most people greatly dislike. That's why GIF still exists.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          except video has and never will fully replace animation, especially for sub 5 seconds loops and what not. Just look at the amount of gifs you see posted not only here but on normoid social media sites

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Just look at the amount of gifs you see posted not only here but on normoid social media sites
            those are at this point nearly all actually <video> elements. most of the time replaced automatically even if the user uploads a .gif

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >putting it in an image container
      And we should use a worse codec for videos because..?

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    As if!

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    typical IQfy tards comparing the merits of image/video compression algorithms based solely on how it handles fricking weeb animu bullshit

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And? Anime is one of the few things the israelites (like the jpeg xl creator) haven't ruined yet.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >anime website
      >complains about anime

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