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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cringe

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Today is his birthday

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Pasolini is better.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Favorite Pasolini book?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Violent life

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Petrolio

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I read De Sade after watching Pasolini's film and I was a bit disappointed tbh. Its like De Sade has this "sin is good" attitude to the extreme but then I need things to be sinful to enjoy them so I never escape morality. Am I missing something here? Maybe hentai has desensitized me? Should I read some of his other books?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Its like De Sade has this "sin is good" attitude to the extreme but then I need things to be sinful to enjoy them so I never escape morality.
        Spot on
        >Thus it is true that Virtue is the source of man's unhappiness, not because it exposes him to painful or unfortunate circumstances but because, if Virtue were eliminated, what was once painful then becomes pleasurable, and torments become voluptuous.
        And so it is necessary to remain locked in a constant cycle with virtue, returning to it and obliterating it again and again.

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        What's the best book out there about the man himself? Love his work and want to know more.

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        Sade by Maurice Lever is comprehensive and judicious, but it's also a brick so it may not be for the casual reader. You could always skip the minutiae of real estate drama and the revolution details that don't really deal too much with Sade.
        If you haven't read his letters yet, can't recommend them enough

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >And so it is necessary to remain locked in a constant cycle with virtue, returning to it and obliterating it again and again.
          So if I live in a hyper hedonist sex positive liberal society I should obliterate it by becoming a schizophrenic religious fundamentalist who rejects all reason, order, and morality posing as immorality?

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    He has a feminine beauty like griffith, berserk

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's said that he was so beautiful that even from the age of ten women would stop in the streets to stare at him

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What made him the way he is?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          There were a ton of contributing factors, including but not limited to
          >Being surrounded by decadent, violent, bisexual libertines as a toddler, including his own father
          >Being coddled by female relatives
          >Being born into a prideful noble house and never having been told "no"
          >Living in Saumane as a little boy with his priest uncle who kept a mother-daughter pair there for fricking, as well as an extensive library full of libertine novels
          >Going to Jesuit school as a lad and being whipped by perverted priests
          >Being enabled by his wife and a constant string of female paramours, including his own sister-in-law
          >His natural born temperament and disposition
          >Pretty privilege
          Perhaps most importantly, if certain schools of psychological thought are to be believed,
          >Never receiving a single ounce of affection or love from his mother
          It's important to note that his crimes and excesses were rather bog standard for nobility of the time, but he was made into a scapegoat because of the timing + his mother-in-law + his father's antagonists at court. Ironically, being put in prison made him worse mentally by curbing his physical freedom, and he wrote 120 Days of Sodom primarily from a place of spite.
          Of course, these are just my musings after studying him and his life for several hundred hours, and we will never really know for certain.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I think many of the things that you list here are circumstances that would make for an easier for him to accept sexuality... really feels like there's a revulsion with sexuality as such in his works that is a kind of extreme self-soothing with regards to sex as a traumatic realization. Many anons have pointed out that coming from contemporary hentai-brain, Sade is almost tame, and that's not just him being dated, it's more in his writing being descriptive in a way that leaves out the internal reactions of characters to the circumstances described. This seems to come from a strong, inward, "this-does-not-belong-with-that," with regards to everything fluidic in sex but most especially with regards to the sexes themselves, for which empirical descriptions are sufficient to arouse physiological disgust. To me he always seems to be a strongly moral personality attempting to will himself into an acceptance of the cruelty of the world, someone who has an innate feeling that sex is a miscarriage of the ideal of love. His writing is a coercive attempt to reconfigure the ideals of the reader, but they are really aimed at their own writer. Any autobiographical details pointing in this direction?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Very fascinating insight here, anon, thanks for your response.
            >This seems to come from a strong, inward, "this-does-not-belong-with-that," with regards to everything fluidic in sex but most especially with regards to the sexes themselves, for which empirical descriptions are sufficient to arouse physiological disgust.
            When one reads Sade's letters, he almost cannot go a single letter without reveling in his own sexual and physical excesses. I don't know if you know this, but in the Bastille he would coom 8 times in the morning just to start his day. He seemed to love and hate sex in all its forms, just as he loved and hated himself. He gloried in it in his personal writings and yet he reviled it in his actual stories and plays, as if he wanted to show us the consequences of going down the very path he advocated for in his philosophical musings.
            >To me he always seems to be a strongly moral personality attempting to will himself into an acceptance of the cruelty of the world, Absolutely- there is a strong morality at the center of all his work, and while his characters either take delight in the cruelty of the world or are heartbroken at it (I think now of the friends or of Justine), Sade himself seems to wish to present it to us without comment. I am not sure if this is authorial intent, his "autism" as Simone de Beauvoir claimed, or something else entirely.
            >someone who has an innate feeling that sex is a miscarriage of the ideal of love.
            This is most apparent in his Les Crimes de l'amour, especially in his brilliant Eugénie de Franval. He also had a fixation on 'unreachable', pure women like his distant ancestor Laure de Noves. And while modern critics will be quick to cry 'madonna and the prostitute', I think it goes beyond that for him, as if sex itself has to exist independently of virtuous concepts like love.
            >His writing is a coercive attempt to reconfigure the ideals of the reader, but they are really aimed at their own writer.
            I think most writing is authorial cope, to be honest; a mind striving to make sense of a nonsensical world.
            >Any autobiographical details pointing in this direction?
            My personal tinfoil is that he was a CSA victim, but even if he wasn't, he was exposed to enough sexual depravity during his formative years for it to have had a lasting and serious effect on him. As someone who could not live without sensory pleasure, whose life was ruined by the pursuit of sensory pleasure, and yet who recognized the fleeting futility of sensory pleasure, it makes sense that things would get... quite complicated.
            The more I read of him and about him, the less I can say I understand what he was ever truly thinking, to be honest. Only those who have a surface-level understanding of his myth can make claims about who he "really" was or what he "really" thought, in my experience.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Great post thank you

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            My pleasure, anon; if there's ever a Sade thread up and I see it, I'll probably show up and start effortposting.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Living in Saumane as a little boy with his priest uncle who kept a mother-daughter pair there for fricking, as well as an extensive library full of libertine novels
            What the frick is wrong with the French?
            The priest gang-rape tower in Justine was pretty hot ngl.
            t. a Frenchman.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >What the frick is wrong with the French?
            No idea honestly
            >The priest gang-rape tower in Justine was pretty hot ngl.
            You're not wrong.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine the smell

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    What's the best book out there about the man himself? Love his work and want to know more.

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    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Gilbert Lely's biography

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