>be God. >create life. >watch life suffer for 2 billion years without any meaning to it

>be God
>create life
>watch life suffer for 2 billion years without any meaning to it
>come to earth 2000 years ago
somehow this makes it all ok now?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Makes him seem cooler when you put it that way

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If God has decided to allow suffering, then it must be good. You're putting your own judgement above God's, which is illogical

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You sound like a battered wife.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You sound like a spoiled 12 year old homosexual. What good have you done to deserve a life without suffering?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You still sound like a battered wife lol. Are you a woman?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The only one who sounds like a battered wife is you, little crybaby b***h. Go throw a tantrum to someone who cares lmao

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >no u
            You lost. Now leave and hide your shame, woman.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You lost. Now leave and hide your shame, woman.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >feminine passive aggressive post making fun of the interlocutors looks
            Thank you for confirming that you are a woman. Now go ask your husband to hit you in the face.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Dude, I just called you a little b***h and the only thing you can respond with is "Erm acktually you have a vegana" If you tried your little coward shit irl you'd be laughed out of the room kek

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I just called you a little b***h
            No, you quoted my post and added a picture of a man with a bad sense or fashion. YWNBAM

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >With a bad sense of fashion
            You really do look like this huh?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you really do have a bad sense of fashion, huh?
            You really want to talk about clothes, huh?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You're the one who brought it up gay

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you don't want to talk about clothes anymore, then can you actually tell me why you think it's fine when your husband hits you, woman?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You don't want to talk about that g-string I made your momma wear b***h boy?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If your husband sees you writing something like this, he'll probably beat you up again fyi. And coincidentally, the same goes for your Canaanite storm god Yahweh.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How's the HRT going nerdneck?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What's HRT?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You know, that shit that makes you grow breasts. Or is that all the cheetos you've been eating fatty

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why do you know about things like that?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because God told me you're a homosexual

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Then your god clearly isn't omniscient. However, that still doesn't answer why you know about some thing that makes you grow breasts.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's only suffering without friendship with God, ironically.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >when you're hit in the face by your husband, it's only suffering if you don't love him

          God works within the limits of the universe he created. If he were to create a universe with rules and then break those rules then what would be the point.

          >got couldn't help it, he had to create this particular universe
          >my husband couldn't help it, he had to discipline me by hitting me in the face with a closed fist

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >got couldn't help it, he had to create this particular universe
            Who said he "had to" make the universe this way? I don't claim to know why the universe is the way it is.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And we're back at
            >I don't know why my husband hits me, but I know it's good.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Pain is a necessary part of life. You agree with that, don't pretend you don't.
            >well god should have made life exist without pain
            Perhaps that's actually impossible. God being all-powerful doesn't mean that he can do impossible things. He can't make 1 = 2.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nope, I do not agree with that. You haven't given me any reason to agree with it aside from saying that perhaps your husband has really good reasons to brat you up.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I could see how that might be the case
            >God gets bored of everything being unified and perfect and makes physical universe based on laws
            >wants to make consciousness within the bounds of that universe
            >maintaining consciousness in a physical world is difficult and requires complex bodies that need resources
            >organisms need to be able to discern the resources from the bad stuff like predators
            >enter pleasure and pain

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >God gets bored
            riveting stuff m8

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >flashy analogies
            What's so flashy about that? Who are you to say that the fact that your husband punches you in the face after he gets drunk is bad? I would've thought you'd see the situation as decidedly neutral.

            https://i.imgur.com/jOSF5wl.jpeg

            >t.

            You sound like a battered wife.

            Does atheistanon have a father who commits spousal abuse?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >no u 2: electric boogaloo
            You tried.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            My brother in christ the entire thread is clowning on you, you lost. Get some self-awareness

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Hahaha you lost, you can't prove that this black eye my husband gave me is actually bad, what a loser lmao!!
            Christians truly are sad creatures.

    • 1 month ago
      Natural-born Citizen

      >If God has decided to allow suffering, then it must be good

      You're assuming God is good.
      And you cannot justify this assumption without circular reasoning, something like:
      >God is good because otherwise he wouldn't be God, since God is necessarily good

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not if we define 'good' as 'in accordance with the will of the creator universe'. Any other definition of 'good' is facile, and highly subjective.

        • 1 month ago
          Natural-born Citizen

          >Not if we define 'good' as 'in accordance with the will of the creator universe'. Any other definition of 'good' is facile, and highly subjective
          Okay, which specific religion are you going to subjectively pick for the sake of determining what God wants?

          https://i.imgur.com/OIp9i8G.jpeg

          God is necessarily good, but for reason. What exists we must call good, and since God exists fully and in perfection, of God it can be said that He is good.

          See what I mean, circular reasoning. Premise and conclusion are one and the same.
          I have no interest in this sort of bird-brain theology that allows no dissent

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Does atheism assert that the world is flawed or evil?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, atheism only asserts that there is no god.

          • 1 month ago
            Natural-born Citizen

            It can be unintentionally flawed, and in fact that is pretty much a certainty, since only an intelligently designed world could dodge all flaws

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Right, atheists think that the world just is as it is, and the perceived suffering of the world isn't "bad", it's just part of the natural order of things. Same, but with God.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It only seems circular because of its concision. Beings exist. Beings are good because evil is only privation, a form of non-being. Evil thus has no existence, and only "goods" can be said to exist.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Beings exist
            For sure

            >Beings are good because evil is only privation, a form of non-being
            Weird take.
            Does that mean nothing evil ever existed? Nobody in the history of humanity has ever done anything wrong, we are all as immaculate as angels?

            Because if that's the case, the idea of punishment of any sort is really hard to justify

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            We have to make a distinction between natural and moral evil, both of which are privations of a sort. Natural evil is like an eye that can no longer see, what is proper to its nature, namely, sight, is now lost, thus the blind eye could be called an "evil" eye. Moral evil is the failure of a moral agent to do the proper good given the circumstances of a given situation. If a man lies, he fails to tell the truth about reality, the nature of speech being to communicate what holds true, thus he injures his neighbor by withholding from him reality.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >We have to make a distinction between natural and moral evil
            Unnecessary complicated.
            Just call "unnatural evil" imperfect, the way a normal person would, and reserve the word evil for what you call "moral evil"

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They're not my terms, they have been in use for thousands of years maybe.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            As shown by the fact that you felt the need to describe in detail their very distinct meanings?
            Come on

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_evil

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >some atheists argue that the existence of natural evil challenges belief in the existence, omnibenevolence, or omnipotence of God or any deity

            Not just atheists, Gnostics did the same while being very religious themselves

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        God is necessarily good, but for reason. What exists we must call good, and since God exists fully and in perfection, of God it can be said that He is good.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >t.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >suffering and all horrible shit happens in the world is good!
      >still believe in god cuck, suffer for me while i preach about the lord 24/7 and do nothing else to help the world

      I'm tired of you people now, I hope you religious moron cease to exist in my future, if we have a future. You morons ruined progress and put earth a pathway to hell that we have to clean up.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >*define everything in the world as benevolent*
      >"Look, God is an omnibenevolent creator!"

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What makes you think God didn't do anything for those 2 billion years?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >be God
      >create life
      >watch life suffer for 2 billion years without any meaning to it while smoking weed and watching netflix
      >come to earth 2000 years ago
      Not much better tbh.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yet here we are at the end of those 2 billion years reflecting back on it. So perhaps we are the meaning to all of it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >all the trillions of hominids who lived before us, and the untold numbers of other animals, they all suffered and died so that we could shitpost on IQfy
          God sounds like a chud.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Where did this idea come from that suffering is inherently bad?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >where did this idea come from that the fact that my husband punches me in the face after he gets drunk is inherently bad?
            This is you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, we live in a free world where beings can do harm to each other. What's your point? You haven't said anything to support that the existence of pain is inherently evil.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            See

            https://i.imgur.com/jOSF5wl.jpeg

            >t.

            .

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ah so no actual argument, just flashy analogies based on emotion. Typical for atheists.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >flashy analogies
            What's so flashy about that? Who are you to say that the fact that your husband punches you in the face after he gets drunk is bad? I would've thought you'd see the situation as decidedly neutral.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >anon makes excuses for his abuser
            >other anons post battered wives

            It’s not a flashy analogy

            An illustration is not a substitute for an argument. Explain how pain is inherently evil assuming god exists.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Explain how your husband hitting you in the face after he gets drunk is inherently evil assuming your husband exists.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon made the assertion that suffering is good if God allows it. You first need to prove suffering is good. If you’re argument is suffering is good if God allows it because God is supremely powerful and intelligent you are a battered wife

            You're still just arguing on emotion. Pain is part of the natural order of things and in many cases it IS in fact good, such as when it tells you you're bending your arm the wrong way. That it is unpleasant is kind of the point.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >god is not all powerful
            Thanks for that. It's over.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            God works within the limits of the universe he created. If he were to create a universe with rules and then break those rules then what would be the point.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So what are miracles then? God working outside the rules?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So God couldn’t have made a world without pain/suffering? Or are his hands bound in order to give us free will? If the case is no then God could have made a world free of suffering and choose not to. Which would imply that he gains some pleasure in suffering(or at the very least is untroubled by suffering).

            If God’s hands are bound by “the natural order” then he is not all powerful and should not be regarded as God in the traditional sense

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >yes sure he created the entire universe BUT HE'S NOT GOD
            what?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Reading comprehension please try to keep up

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            A creature like what anon described is typically known as a demiurge.

            Whatever you say dudes. If a being created the universe then I'll call that being god. Verification not required.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            A creature like what anon described is typically known as a demiurge.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon made the assertion that suffering is good if God allows it. You first need to prove suffering is good. If you’re argument is suffering is good if God allows it because God is supremely powerful and intelligent you are a battered wife

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >anon makes excuses for his abuser
            >other anons post battered wives

            It’s not a flashy analogy

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Murder is wrong, because I do not want to be murdered. This can be extrapolated to stealing to assault to simple suffering. When you want to suffer and someone obliges that is called S&M and is consensual. The presence/absence of consent is the crux.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >we live in a free world where beings can do harm to each other.
            And yet we are not free to avoid being harmed by others. If you get raped, God alllows the rapist the freedom to commit rape, but denies you the freedom to not be raped. Curious.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            it's by definition.
            apparently there are onky two kinds of larpers here, the clinically contrarian trolls and those who behave like monkeys that just discovered masturbation since having heard the term 'No True Christian'. however, the fact remains: there are no true christians on IQfy.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Something that I think about as a theist who accepted theism because of philosophical (on my part poorly understood, perhaps too eagerly accepted) arguments, is how the God I believe in would reveal itself
    I see no reason why God couldn't have revealed himself to Moses on the burning bush and yet maybe I should have a problem with this?
    Currently my belief is that God has presented himself throughout Creation but that God has never explicitly given revelation that is causing a miracle in which God communicates his thoughts to mankind
    So I pray to God because I think God hears prayers
    Does God want people to pray to him? Does God want people to have knowledge of him? If so how would God reveal himself to mankind?
    I remember watching a video by an agnostic who said that if God is who the theists say he is, then he ought to be worshipped
    That is important to me and I agree

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >our writer could save us a lot of pain if he just gave us a 2021 BMW 5 Series 530i with optional heated seating. Either he can't or he refuses to, either way he can't be our writer

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Our writer is omnibenevolent!
      >Then why does he keep writing so much horrible shit!
      >Uuuh SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP!!!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        See how simply relying on analogies isn't an argument?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, I think it's extremely effective. For instance, the analogy I used here

          >Our writer is omnibenevolent!
          >Then why does he keep writing so much horrible shit!
          >Uuuh SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP!!!

          perfectly demonstrated how your analogy actually proves my point.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, it doesn't. There are holes I can poke in your analogy but I'd rather just discuss the actual topic, not get wrapped up in tangents. Analogies can be useful to illustrate a point but it's the mark of a intellectual dwarf to focus on them as if they constitute the argument itself.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >There are holes I can poke in your analogy
            Try it then.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I literally just explained why I don't want to. How about you try formulating a real grown up argument?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You don't want to because you can't. It's over.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Same to you. You can only appeal to emotion.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nah I just cba to put in any effort if you can't even do something so easy as showing that my analogy is incorrect.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >point out flaws in analogy
            >no those aren't flaws because xyz
            >yes they are idiot
            >come up with another analogy to help explain the first analogy
            >no that's flawed because xyz
            Is this what you want?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So you refuse to explain how the analogy is bad because you're afraid that I might argue against that argument?
            You know what? Fair enough.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm explaining that doing so is unproductive compared to actual arguing with core principles

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Arguing core principles won't save you from the battered wife accusation, because the accusation itself cannot be defended by means of a theodicy (defense).

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >be atheist
    >believe that suffering isn't inherently evil, it's just part of the world and it can even be good
    >the only things that can be called evil are actions that are taken willingly by a person with malice

    >believe the same thing but also believe in god
    >atheists: uhhhh NO you can't do that, you have to believe that suffering is evil because... well because my argument doesn't work if you don't!!!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Your argument boils down to "religion is kind of like atheism in practice", lol

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The difference is that on your view, the world is a result of a willful action of an agent, moron.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    life suffer for 2 billion years without any meaning to it
    Oh no, the heckin monkeyrinos! Just think of all the dead bacteria! Darwin would never let this happen! Science be praised!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You are a bugman.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You are a monkey

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Life is pointless and was made by random chance yet I still feel compelled to argue for pointlessness in a pointless thread
    Atheism is always self-defeating

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I can decide the meaning of life for myself, and expect others to make the effort for that too. Not having it be known by divine command (i.e. hearing from some other human that is is super duper important) doesn't mean there is no meaning. I offer you that life inherently has meaning because it, and your experience of the world, ends. If you are forced to be conscious for eternity, no one truly is free.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I can decide the meaning of life for myself, and expect others to make the effort for that too.
        >. Not having it be known by divine command (i.e. hearing from some other human that is is super duper important)
        So you're telling me life has meaning because you make up your own meaning and that I shouldn't listen to other humans for my meaning and the reason why life has meaning is because it does?
        You don't see the issue in this?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, if I find that my mind is incredibly fulfilled by working in architecture/being with my family/making my own art then that is the meaning of life for me. You should be free to find this out for yourself, I trust you with that freedom as long as you don't impose on someone elses journey. Should we really be subordinated to whatever some group tells us to be? I think we are worth more than that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The contradictive statement of "make up your own meaning" means that you have to listen to someone else's meaning about what meaning is (made up).

            Why shouldn't I impose myself on others? Just because? Because you said so? I thought I was supposed to make up my own rules?

            It's not that I have a need to submit myself to whatever group, in fact the idea itself of individualism is an idea a group made up long ago that you now are buying into thinking you discovered it in isolation instead of through cultural osmosis.

            At the end of the day it boils down to picking a master, it's just funny to me that atheists think they are some sort of oasis of original thought instead of slaves of zeitgeist.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If everyone is free to decide their own life without using force by violence/deception/coercion then there is the most amount of freedom in the world. I believe this to be a good thing. You are free to believe the opposite, but we'll have to agree to disagree. I believe man has to live according to his own values to actually have a life worth living. To force someone else is to bypass their own rationality, making them less than human as rationality is our only advantage over a chimpanzee.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >theist can't wrap his head around 'get off my lawn'

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