Best Encrypted Messanger Overall

Signal wins in terms of ease of use, and for a general purpose usecase. but what if you want anonymity as well.

Briar seems like the best bet but is only available on android devices making it less desirable in places where iphones are more popular. (it also lacks post quantum cryptography as of now).

It seems currently if you want to use both android and ios platforms SimpleX using tor via Orbot is the best option.

Do yall recommend anything different, and are there any other projects to bring decentralized messaging to IOS that I am missing?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ssh-chat is the best encrypted messenger, but IRC, Jabber and Murmur/Mumble are decent runner-ups.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The best encrypted messager is the one you can use to chat to your friends. You can download a dozen experimental FOSS privacy-preserving messagers onto all your PCs, laptops and phones, and then still end up talking to all the normies you have to message in the first place over whatsapp, instagram and discord.
    Telegram is better than nothing, Signal is better than Telegram, and anything beyond that is very likely to get normies to go "durrr that's too complicated, or looks shady and nobody uses it, I'll set it up maybe later anon :))".

    On the other hand if you have some sufficiently autistic friends that you're all genuinely considering switching to some meme messaging software all together and will actually commit to using it (that means regularly using multiple different messagers, one for normies and a separate one for each other, and resisting the temptation of convenient to just talk to each other over the normieshit messager you both already have open for your friends/family/etc. anyway), then carry on. But make sure you have that first step solved before committing to downloading Tox on all your devices and cross-checking your identites and thinking you're set for life, or something.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I like the idea of Briar simply because it gives a mechanism for offline messaging, Not as a main use application. I wish it was possible on apple.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You lost me in the second paragraph.
      The solution is pgp, works over anything.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >no forward secrecy
        >almost never ANY good implementations that encrypt metadata
        These two things alone make PGP only a baindaid if you MUST use an unencrypted service, no other options, that or nothing. Then PGP is better than nothing.
        Meanwhile even email, which is the poster case for PGP encryption, still has basically zero support in practice for encrypting metadata - including the entire fricking subject line. Anything else you Black person-rig PGP onto is gonna be even worse (plus way harder to use consistently and correctly).

        The lack of forward secrecy is also pretty bad considering it's not hard to implement, PGP is just too old to have had it built-in from the start and literally nobody has bothered adding it since then. So any key compromise at any point instantly allows decryption of all your conversations to date.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nowadays you can just hide your number on Signal and use a nickname instead. If you care about NSA requesting your phone number, buy a disposable one that costs like 0.3 USD or register a sim card on a random bum. Thats the best you can do if you are paranoyed schizo who wants to talk to normal people. On the other hand, if you plan a coup or want to buy dope from darknet, just use whatever your contacts recommend (in the latter case, avoid custom made solutions so you wont end up like those who used Incognito market). Apps like SimpleX or Sessions are going to be plagued by freetards, schizoids and /misc/ manlets who seek echo chambers rather than actual discussion.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >glowBlack person thread
    No it is not. Read their teams of services. They store conversations, comes and documents and will release them to LE upon request. Briar and Session are better.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      files*

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why don't you use your own Simplex server then?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >server
        how do, anon, bro? thank you saar
        seriously how do I go about setting up my own server on SimpleX?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      session is way worse, and like i said, briar is better, but not avaliable on ios

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        SimpleX is way worse, because of the aforementioned reasons.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >session is way worse
        Why?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          > Tied to oxen, a shitty crypto (same issue i have with signal but atleast it isnt dependent on it) Currently at oxen prices it costs 255.45 to start a node ( that there are already a relatively small number of only, and most are run by the same few people)

          > no reproducible builds

          > encryption is downgraded from signal, no foreward secracy last i checked in on it. Plus Service Nodes can hold onto messanges longer than the TTL if wanted making it so even deleted messanges are decryptable without PFS.

          >based out of austrailia which has some legal issues associated with it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >muh crypto
            Thanks for confirming you have nothing of value to say.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Crypto is only a problem because it is a requirement to the operation of the protocol itself, A 255$ buy in to get more nodes is a big issue.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      did you read their tos.
      > SimpleX relay servers cannot decrypt or otherwise access the content or even the size of your messages and files you send or receive.

      > servers chosen by your contacts can observe your IP address. You can use VPN or some overlay network (e.g., Tor) to hide your IP address from the servers chosen by your contacts.

      > The messages are permanently removed from the used relay servers as soon as they are delivered

      > SimpleX relay servers do not store information about which queues are linked to your profile on the device, and they do not collect any information that would allow infrastructure owners and providers to establish that these queues are related to your device or your profile - the access to each queue is authorized by two anonymous unique cryptographic keys, different for each queue, and separate for sender and recipient of the messages.

      > While we do not have access and cannot share any user data, these third parties may access the encrypted user messages (but NOT the actual unencrypted message content or size) as it is stored or transmitted via our servers. Hosting providers can also store IP addresses and other transport information as part of their logs.

      most if not all of the concerns are mitigated using it in conjunction with tor via orbot or some other mechanism like i stated in the original post, or by running your own simplex server. The only concerning part is this, which can be mitigated by tor.

      > To prevent server overloading or attacks, the servers can temporarily store data that can link to particular users or devices, including IP addresses, geographic location, or information related to the transport sessions. This information is not stored for the absolute majority of the app users, even for those who use the servers very actively.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >SimpleX Directory stores: your search requests, the messages and the members profiles in the registered groups.
        >Another information stored on the servers
        >Additional technical information can be stored on our servers, including randomly generated authentication tokens, keys, push tokens, and other material that is necessary to transmit messages. SimpleX Chat design limits this additional technical information to the minimum required to operate the software and servers. To prevent server overloading or attacks, the servers can temporarily store data that can link to particular users or devices, including IP addresses, geographic location, or information related to the transport sessions. This information is not stored for the absolute majority of the app users, even for those who use the servers very actively.

        why are fa/g/s recommending SimpleX? Sincere question. For a friend.
        >Information we may share
        >SimpleX Chat Ltd operates preset relay servers using third parties. While we do not have access and cannot share any user data, these third parties may access the encrypted user messages (but NOT the actual unencrypted message content or size) as it is stored or transmitted via our servers. Hosting providers can also store IP addresses and other transport information as part of their logs.
        >The cases when SimpleX Chat Ltd may share the data temporarily stored on the servers:
        >To meet any applicable law, or enforceable governmental request or court order.
        >To enforce applicable terms, including investigation of potential violations.
        >To detect, prevent, or otherwise address fraud, security, or technical issues.
        >To protect against harm to the rights, property, or safety of software users, SimpleX Chat Ltd, or the public as required or permitted by law.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >To meet any applicable law, or enforceable governmental request or court order.
          Why should that be a problem? Do you think there is any free service out there, that will go to jail instead of giving out available data?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thank you for agreeing and making my point.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          signal does the same thing, they give law enforcement whatever they ask for, its just encrypted and not usable, or they dont store it to give

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I druzd everyding I zee on indaned
            >I druzd everyding beeble dell me
            >I doo dumb to regognize margedding zdradegee

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I really like that I don't need an account for it.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is pure nonsense, simplex is terrible in desktop and CLI compatibility, simple. Use something around Sessions and IRC with proxychains.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The desktop application just works and isn't even an electron app. I have no idea about CLI.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The desktop application just works and isn't even an electron app. I have no idea about CLI.

      Cli just werks, I like it a lot, actually.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Black person, stop using that shit. Go to chat crypt.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    works on my machine

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you down with xmpp?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i could never get public client registration working on prosody. i've read through documentation and went looking in the deep, but could never find out why changing the variable in the config would not work. but outside of that xmpp is alright, kinda moronic, but alright

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Signal is the only one you need and thankfully my cute family is using it :3

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >my cute family

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://eylenburg.github.io/im_comparison.htm
    >no chat backup to cloud
    >no easy multi device sync
    Thanks, but I'll stick with Facebook Messenger

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Missing two categories
      >created and run by israelites
      >Not created and run by israelites

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html
      10 years on from snowden and this is the best technerds can do, pathetic...

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    have a nice day GLOWING Black person

    all this is shitware for plebs
    real deal: Tor, Freenet Hyphanet (FMS, Sone)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't forget Zeronet

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        have a nice day GLOWING Black person

        all this is shitware for plebs
        real deal: Tor, Freenet Hyphanet (FMS, Sone)

        i2p.

        Zeronet and retronet(?) have lower secuirty/privacy.

        Freenet has highest but is far from perfect. Freenet used with VPN at least, in very careful way, could be actually private.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Zeronet and retronet(?) have lower secuirty/privacy
          How so, anon and it's Freenet available for Android?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Freenet Hyphanet is focused on privacy, other ones are not

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            thank you for the freenet recommendation bro. I'm going to deep dive this shit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >thank you for the freenet recommendation bro. I'm going to deep dive this shit
            wait days (or day at least)
            not many users
            you will be correlated easily with the guy that said he will deep dive into it today

            not too many users
            but let's change that

            FMS chat system inside it is good. can remove spam while also not being censored (you choose who censors YOUR point of view)
            it's a program linked on top

            read a lot, read how to keep opsec in it
            delaying actions by days is a key (one of)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm running it on Linux. How do I uninstall it? Freenet

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >How do I uninstall it? Freenet
            ./run.sh stop
            will stop the program - or instead go to web interface http://localhost:8888 and on bottom button SHUTDOWN

            to stop it from starting on booting up - remove the crontab entry
            it adds itself on crontab

            crontab -e
            and remove @reboot ....

            to remove all data and everything - just delete the folder to which it was installed

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks, I'm trying to set up FLIP to chat. Do I need an IRC client. If yes, which do you recommend for use with Freenet?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Thanks, I'm trying to set up FLIP to chat.
            FLIP probably has like 1-3 users
            so if you do use then wait week+ for reply that is ok

            FMS seems to have 20-50 active users (and many many more inactive)

            for FLIP use any irc client and connect to localhost... port 6668 I think

            for FMS, start it and connect web browser to localhost port 8080 http,
            or use an NNTP (news / usenet) client (after enablign that option in web interface - in settings)

            follow the default bookmarks and read hints

            give it time when it is quite and all, just wait a week or two, check back then

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I plan on setting it up only for my family.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Id like to send messages on my phone etc. It's that possible with Freenet?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Id like to send messages on my phone etc. It's that possible with Freenet?
            not a good idea, it is resource heavy
            1 gb disk use
            lots lots of tiny small disk writes&reads

            one could install linux on phone, and run it there, if that's strong enough phone then it should work

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's a very powerful phone. I need a tutorial damnit lol

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    To pretend those two categories don't matter simply demonstrates how much of a homosexual you are

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Dev is Russian, always goes on about americabad and NEVER mentions how Russia has no free speech. FSB honeypot. Also messages STILL get delayed by hours, at random. Use Brair, it goes over local networks, uses tor, and falls back to bluetooth to bluetooth which is awesone.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >doesn't support Android 6
    into the trash it goes

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There's also Freenet mobile

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