blessing of homosexuals

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I'm going to use the controversial Pope Francis, and basically you all got it wrong.
First of all, contrary to popular belief, he literally changed nothing, he condemned gay marriage and homosexual unions.
the Fiducia supplicans that is always addressed in which the pope supposedly opened the possibility of informal blessings to certain people in an irregular situation or in a homosexual situation, see that these blessings are not necessarily wrong, since they have no sacramental elements, which means that When the priest gives the blessing to homosexuals, he is not absolving the person or redeeming them from sin, he is basically wishing for a
blessed of conversion and reconciliation with that person to approach the church, so that they can feel welcome.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    2/2
    in the church despite the sin in which she lives, and of course, oriented to live without sin. and this is exactly configured in the catechism 2358 e 2359
    see that the Protestant view of just using the Bible as you know it says to stone homosexuals.
    Basically, this is not necessarily erroneous, but it leaves room for erroneous subjective interpretations.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Bible says that churches ought to cut off communion with fornicators. How much more* then SODOMITES?
      Foolishness

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A blessing isn’t communion

        https://i.imgur.com/Zte510s.jpeg

        1/2
        I'm going to use the controversial Pope Francis, and basically you all got it wrong.
        First of all, contrary to popular belief, he literally changed nothing, he condemned gay marriage and homosexual unions.
        the Fiducia supplicans that is always addressed in which the pope supposedly opened the possibility of informal blessings to certain people in an irregular situation or in a homosexual situation, see that these blessings are not necessarily wrong, since they have no sacramental elements, which means that When the priest gives the blessing to homosexuals, he is not absolving the person or redeeming them from sin, he is basically wishing for a
        blessed of conversion and reconciliation with that person to approach the church, so that they can feel welcome.

        There’s a significant media industry around outrage-porn producing non-catholic conservatives constantly declaring the Pope to be a raging liberal and to shit on Catholics. There’s a liberal industry doing the same thing but with the goal of pushing liberalism into Catholicism, so if anything is vague enough to put a liberal spin on it, someone from either side of American political media will do it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
          referring to a fornicator
          so... offering blessings to a homosexual wouldnt violate this?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes I’ve read the verse. I got your point. Blessing someone in mortal sin is literally asking God to help them repent so that they can come into communion. It’s not a good luck charm lol. You can bless Muslims, you can bless drug dealers, you can bless murderers.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You lost

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        roman catholicism isn't based on the Bible, it's based on the whims of an assembly of pedophiles and the cult of their figurehead.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I think that Protestants appeal to the misdeeds of the magisterium because it’s easy to identify. It’s harder to criticize the actions of one or another Protestant group and their leaders because 1. People are less aware, and 2. You can deflect by just being part of a different sect, or just vaguely appeal to being a “follower of Christ.” I think the Orthodox do a similar thing by appealing to doctrine and historical misdeeds of the Catholics since they know most people they argue with won’t know doctrinal counterarguments or know the EO’s misdeeds.

          Can any other Catholic who is a pre-Vatican council member please explain if this makes sense? I mean, this blessing is very strange, to say the least

          You’re asking for someone who would be in their 80s by now to explain a niche theological issue to you on IQfy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I wrote it wrong. someone who is pre-Vatican according to

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >sedes are moronic
    no shit

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, we see reality.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why does it matter if they feel welcome or not?

        You see the Pope, who has broken with Christ.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can any other Catholic who is a pre-Vatican council member please explain if this makes sense? I mean, this blessing is very strange, to say the least

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This would have never been approved before Vatican II. I couldn't picture this going on then.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >catholic church condemns homosexuality
    But I thought the affirmation of tradition at Augsburg was one of the primary things separating them from the prots?

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They are using it to tacitly recognize civil unions.

    They should not be confusing the sacraments.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Who's "they"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Certain priests who are going outside the strictly prescribed terms of this blessing, which is supposed to be spontaneous and not planned, and turning it into a ceremony with cameras and wedding dresses. They are using it to formally recognize a civil union and give this profane institution the veneer of religion.

        Done this way, it's a mockery of the sacrament of holy matrimony.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          ok, but that's not the case with what the OP said.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            that thing I described happening is direct result of FidSup being released and no steps at all being taken to prevent that very form of confusion

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >using it to tacitly recognize civil unions.
      The document says its for those who want healing and consider themselves sinners. So,
      its a blessing for them to leave the gay lifestyle. As the Cardinal who wrote the document said -'That they be purified of all things not conforming to the gospel'.

      >They should not be confusing the sacraments.
      The doc says there is nothing sacramental about it nor it can be given in ways that resemble a sacrament. It can only happen spontaneously like a street blessing.
      The same way anyone can aproach a priest on the street and get a blessing regardless of their sins, so can sodomites who want to heal.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >those who want healing and consider themselves sinners. So,
        its a blessing for them to leave the gay lifestyle
        No, that doesn't follow at all. Do you think Francis would deny that anyone is a sinner? Saying they are sinners is not the same thing as saying they are sinning. This is like how tradcaths interpreted the infamous "who am I to judge" statement, you are reinterpreting Francis as if he was a conservative and extending to him an undue benefit of the doubt instead of asking yourself "what was FAB FRANK trying to communicate?"

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >those who want healing and consider themselves sinners. So,
        its a blessing for them to leave the gay lifestyle
        No, that doesn't follow at all. Do you think Francis would deny that anyone is a sinner? Saying they are sinners is not the same thing as saying they are sinning. This is like how tradcaths interpreted the infamous "who am I to judge" statement, you are reinterpreting Francis as if he was a conservative and extending to him an undue benefit of the doubt instead of asking yourself "what was FAB FRANK trying to communicate?"

        This

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The same way anyone can aproach a priest on the street and get a blessing regardless of their sins, so can sodomites who want to heal.
        Yes,

        Setting aside the obvious intellectual indefensibility of the claim, let's us look at what the essential nature of a "same-sex couple" is.
        Most charitably, it would be something like 'two individuals who are sexually attracted to each other, despite being the same sex.' Is that ontological entity something which ought to be blessed? God forbid! It is defined by sin, and is thus sinful in its very essence. God does not and cannot bless sin.
        [...]
        > a way to pray for them to escape from sin,
        Praying for is catagorically different from blessing though. You’re describing praying for sinners, not blessing them. We are, of course, called to pray for evil men. If that was all this document said, the document wouldnt need to exist.
        Instead, it is an innovative broadening of pastoral practice, where priest can now publicly bless (not just pray for) a sodomite couple, which is an ontological evil.

        Read this

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >he condemned gay marriage and homosexual unions
    Indeed, and this is why picrel happened.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >homosexual
      this movie redpilled me on gays:

      https://rumble.com/v4uomzo-aids-the-judgement-of-god-full-documentary.html

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >kills Christians reading the Bible in their native language
    >blesses homosexuals

    Yeah, I’m thinking based. I love The prostitute who sits on 7 hill- I mean the RCC!

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Zte510s.jpeg

      1/2
      I'm going to use the controversial Pope Francis, and basically you all got it wrong.
      First of all, contrary to popular belief, he literally changed nothing, he condemned gay marriage and homosexual unions.
      the Fiducia supplicans that is always addressed in which the pope supposedly opened the possibility of informal blessings to certain people in an irregular situation or in a homosexual situation, see that these blessings are not necessarily wrong, since they have no sacramental elements, which means that When the priest gives the blessing to homosexuals, he is not absolving the person or redeeming them from sin, he is basically wishing for a
      blessed of conversion and reconciliation with that person to approach the church, so that they can feel welcome.

      Read again

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >roleplay as a catholic to do crypto white nationalism
    >get KEKED by the pope
    oof

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You’re still coping about this 6 months later? Just accept the Roman church condones homosexual unions and stop clinging to unwholesome traditions.

    >he literally changed nothing,
    If it changed nothing why was this doctrine necessary? Or perhaps it did change. As recent as 2021, Rome expressly rejected that homosexual relationships could be blessed. According to the "innovative" Fiducia Supplicans, same-sex and irregular relationships *can* be blessed. The doctrine has developed.
    >see that these blessings are not necessarily wrong, since they have no sacramental elements,
    This is the teaching of wolves. In blessing something, you bless it in its essential nature. A sodomite relationship is essentially disordered, essentially sinful. There is nothing good in it, as such sin is like leaven which spreads through the whole loaf. This is why St. Paul commands that we flee sexual immorality. We don't bargain with it, or try to cultivate the good around it, we run away as fast as we can, as to not be caught up in its poisonous spread.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      well the actual document says that "couples" in an irregular relationship can be blessed, not the relationship itself

      if a heterosexual couple is living in sin and having sex outside of marriage, that relationship isn't blessed, just the couple
      the hope being that grace will be effectively received and they will both turn from wickedness

      but that's not how certain parties are treating it, instead as an endorsement ot legitimization of sin
      and that's a major problem

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >they are blessing the COUPLE not the RELATIONSHIP
        This is cope. What you are doing is called "coping". You're being faced with the reality of this religion, and you are experiencing cognitive dissonance as the reality of Christianity is not aligning with your fantasy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >the reality of Christianity
          the reality of a syncretic pagan religion crafted in the Late Roman Empire meant to shuffle all the assorted pagan cult priests into a single entity with a Christian veneer.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Setting aside the obvious intellectual indefensibility of the claim, let's us look at what the essential nature of a "same-sex couple" is.
        Most charitably, it would be something like 'two individuals who are sexually attracted to each other, despite being the same sex.' Is that ontological entity something which ought to be blessed? God forbid! It is defined by sin, and is thus sinful in its very essence. God does not and cannot bless sin.

        >This is the teaching of wolves. In blessing something, you bless it in its essential nature. A sodomite relationship is essentially disordered, essentially sinful. There is nothing good in it, as such sin is like leaven which spreads through the whole loaf. This is why St. Paul commands that we flee sexual immorality. We don't bargain with it, or try to cultivate the good around it, we run away as fast as we can, as to not be caught up in its poisonous spread.
        they have no sacramental elements, It is a matter of pity towards the sinner and a way to pray for them to escape from sin, no one is absolving sin.
        See: "They must be welcomed with respect, compassion and delicacy. Any sign of unfair discrimination will be avoided in relation to them. These people are called to carry out God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to combine the difficulties they may encounter due to their condition with the sacrifice of the Lord's cross"2358

        > a way to pray for them to escape from sin,
        Praying for is catagorically different from blessing though. You’re describing praying for sinners, not blessing them. We are, of course, called to pray for evil men. If that was all this document said, the document wouldnt need to exist.
        Instead, it is an innovative broadening of pastoral practice, where priest can now publicly bless (not just pray for) a sodomite couple, which is an ontological evil.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you still don't understand what I said

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No. I do. You just have an untenable reading of the document. You’re conflating blessing with prayer when they are categorically different.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Praying for is catagorically different from blessing though.
          when you pray for someone, you want that person to be blessed in one way or another, its a blessing for them to leave the gay lifestyle, as evidenced in the catechism. you have false correlations.

          >You’re describing praying for sinners, not blessing them.
          francism and any merciful person would know that their delicate situation and how they deserve prayer, and prayer is linked to blessing, or you for what exactly? a blessing from God obviously. and as I said above, the document has no sacramental or even absolution bias.

          >We are, of course, called to pray for evil men.
          It's not a somewhat pertinent comparison, but when the blessing is placed on them, it's literally like you pray for criminals; for God to act in their lives and save them from this sin. That's exactly what blessing is about.

          >Instead, it is an innovative broadening of pastoral practice
          It is not innovative because there was nothing sacramental and they themselves said that such a practice is sinful. It's a matter of saving them, where's the innovative act here?

          >where priest can now publicly bless (not just pray for)
          praying for them is a blessing, you are basically wishing that a
          blessed with conversion and reconciliation with that person, approach the church, so that they can feel welcomed. Tell me, how would we pray for them in your world?

          >a sodomite couple, which is an ontological evil.
          which never happened.
          This is literally based on the catechism, not just detracting from it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >This is the teaching of wolves. In blessing something, you bless it in its essential nature. A sodomite relationship is essentially disordered, essentially sinful. There is nothing good in it, as such sin is like leaven which spreads through the whole loaf. This is why St. Paul commands that we flee sexual immorality. We don't bargain with it, or try to cultivate the good around it, we run away as fast as we can, as to not be caught up in its poisonous spread.
      they have no sacramental elements, It is a matter of pity towards the sinner and a way to pray for them to escape from sin, no one is absolving sin.
      See: "They must be welcomed with respect, compassion and delicacy. Any sign of unfair discrimination will be avoided in relation to them. These people are called to carry out God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to combine the difficulties they may encounter due to their condition with the sacrifice of the Lord's cross"2358

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Answer me

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >change absolutely nothing about your stance but the wording yet get brownie points from secular society
    Sometimes I forget Francis is a jesuit, kek

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Francis is changing the church of Rome to be more and more secularist while playing both sides so that fools like you do not leave his big money scheme in the meanwhile. You are a frog in boiling water.

    And no, "there's no sacraments" does not legitimize the blessing of gay mirage. Scripture forbids us from bidding a false teacher Godspeed, this is because his works are foul and we are not to associate ourselves with them nor declare it legitimate through a blessing. Likewise, a gay mirage is an abomination and a sacrilege which must be strictly and constantly opposed by Christian people. Papists, ask yourselves: will you follow God, or the pope?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Umm sweaty, if not the Roman Catholic Church, what I am supposed to choose?
      There’s literally no way I can just read the Bible and find whoever is closest to its teachings.
      That would be silly. 6 gorillion denominations.

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