CAMM2

Redpill me on this hot new memetech
Supposedly
>Faster than DDR5
>Ultra low profile
>Native Dual Channel
>Less energy dependent and cooler
>Non upgradeable but easy to replace with larger module
>Only slightly more expensive than DDR but getting cheaper by the month
>Originally meant for small factor PCs but quickly gaining traction and price/perf advantages

This came out of fricking nowhere and is an official spec
https://www.jedec.org/news/pressreleases/jedec-publishes-new-camm2-memory-module-standard

Is it the indisputable future of RAM?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    looks kino to me

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want LP-CAMM2 to suceed PLEASE I don't want soldered RAM

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No, that's not happening. If x86 wants to compete with Apple on battery life the memory is just going to have to go on the CPU package, as in Lunar Lake, and that's all there is to it.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It was made for laptops, im not sure what advantages if any it would have in a desktop form factor.
    Biggest plus i can think of is that it's dual channel in a single module, so dummies cant use mismatched ram or wont run into issues with trying to use 4 sticks when the overclocked ram they are using will just not work in that configuration. Im not sure if using lpddr offers any advantages on desktop

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >im not sure what advantages if any it would have in a desktop form factor.
      aside from the dual-channels you mentioned, it is lower latency as theres shorter traces without sacrificing the modularity

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Hardware manufacturers have transitioned from offloading old server crap onto consumers, to offloading old laptop crap onto consumers.

        DDR5 is dual channel already, too. Dual channel DDR5 is actually the same as quad channel DDR4, albeit at half bit width. Better timings will come not from a different RAM form factor, but with improved IMCs from both AMD and Intel. All those great LPCAMM2 numbers that you see are using thei new APUs which have new IMCs.

        cool. how does the performance stack up vs my 3200 mhz 8 channel ddr4 ram?

        Worse, and that's the whole problem. This product doesn't actually address any market need, but rather gives MSI et al some place to dump their laptop overstock.

        Currently x86 is getting mogged hard by Apple's M series when it comes to memory bandwidth, but IQfy just spergs out and calls you a saar whenever this fact is mentioned. If that thing can reach soldered RAM speeds with 128GB and not be too expensive it would be great.

        Lmao M chips have ON DIE memory. That's nothing like this crap. Yes, it's very cool, but it's more like having gigabtyes of L4 or a giant 3D cache stack than just changing how RAM is wired.

        i dropped out of my comp engineering program but if they want to reduce memory latency, why don't they make a new atx spec to put this camm slot directly behind the socket on the rear side?

        Because the back-side soldered mem chips would be right against the hot as frick CPU. This whole thing is just a stupid idea.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >ON DIE memory
          You don't know what a die is.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          shut the frick up nerd i don't care

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          goddamn imagine being this wrong
          couldn't be me

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >im not sure what advantages if any it would have in a desktop form factor
      maybe it means that they can make really fast memory which can be cooled with a single heatsink instead of engineering something that works with the DIMM slots form factor

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    cool. how does the performance stack up vs my 3200 mhz 8 channel ddr4 ram?

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Shit like this will just lead to soldered memory on the motherboard itself becoming the norm.
    Probably what manufacturers want since their margins on motherboards are awful

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can't imagine soldered RAM ever taking off on desktops, it'd mean that every motherboard manufacturer would have to juggle hundreds of SKUs and massively complicate their supply chain, plus piss off basically all of their customer base. Also CAMM's entire point is to be a modular alternative to soldered RAM in laptops.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i don't think they would be too sad about being able to charge more for the same motherboard, but with a higher memory capacity soldered on. these companies already manage lots of products, it wouldn't break their supply chain

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's demonic and psychopathic. I have 128 GB of RAM in my desktop and it was incredibly cheap. I'd probably need to pay $5000 on a mac cuckbook to get similar specs.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Currently x86 is getting mogged hard by Apple's M series when it comes to memory bandwidth, but IQfy just spergs out and calls you a saar whenever this fact is mentioned. If that thing can reach soldered RAM speeds with 128GB and not be too expensive it would be great.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      apple doesn't have AVX-512 on their CPUs because they're not actually computer CPUs but PHONE CPUs.

      I'm not joking, look it up.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >apple doesn't have [ISA A specific feature] because they're not actually [ISA A] CPUs but [ISA B] CPUs
        um.. ok?

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Asus, Gigabyte and MSI have competing, incompatible designs for this
    Sounds like trash
    Pic unrelated to the mobo vendors designs

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they're all Chinese/Chinese Taipei israelites and won't get any of that shit through. JEDEC has the final say.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Asus, Gigabyte and MSI have competing, incompatible designs for this
        Sounds like trash
        Pic unrelated to the mobo vendors designs

        if it solves the ryzen ram clusterfrick ill try it
        until then not goingback to zen/amd until ddr6

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    cons: designed to make more money by forcing you to buy a whole module with every upgrade, and likely making the larger modules much more expensive because they know morons would pay for them anyway and normalgays don't need them
    pros: none if you're not moronic

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's one step away from buying soldered ram
    the fricking losers controlling everything want to make any self maintenance impossible.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it's one step away from buying soldered ram
      The whole point of this is OEMs asking to avoid soldered RAM. They literally lobbied for it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        as I mentioned, it's one step away from turning into soldered ram. Is it that hard to connect the dots?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >it's one step away from turning into soldered ram
          >for a spec designed to avoid being one step away from soldered RAM
          still waiting for you to make a point

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i dropped out of my comp engineering program but if they want to reduce memory latency, why don't they make a new atx spec to put this camm slot directly behind the socket on the rear side?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      doesnt sound profitable. manufacturing would be more expensive and you'd have far fewer sales. you also have even more heat concentrated in one area, when cpu heat is already a huge issue, and ram heat has become more of an issue. it would also necessarily increase the thickness of compact form factors that the new standard is designed for

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is this.. SOLDERED RAM!?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      moron Soiyejakposter

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i feel bad for anyone that has outdated ddr5 memory

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I just bought some new parts for my decade-old PC with 1600MHz DDR3 memory and decided on getting 3600MHz DDR4 instead of 5200MHz DDR5 due to all the talk surrounding "memory training". It's still a huge upgrade for me. To be honest even 1600MHz DDR3 was still usable in 2024.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is it the indisputable future of RAM?
    Servers need to adopt it first. Although I've heard it's in talks at my Fortune 50. Especially given the form and ease of replacement on blades

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Servers need to adopt it first. Although I've heard it's in talks at my Fortune 50. Especially given the form and ease of replacement on blades
      Company is definitely speaking for itself
      CAMM makes zero sense on the hyperscaler level

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Explain your bullshit

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The one I work at gives zero shits about node density, server trays have only gotten bigger as time goes on, from 4 abreast on a rack from haswell to only 2 on anything eypc based

          You're not necessarily saving time replacing 12 CAMM modules as opposed to 24 DIMMs, replacing an entire set of DIMMs is quite rare anyway

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the latestesy&greatest servers do not use DIMMs, they use memory that is on the same die as the CPU
        in theory it means super high speeds and low latency
        in practise it means your CPUs cost 3x more
        i think servers will become just as fond of CAMM2 as laptops, very quickly

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the latestesy&greatest servers do not use DIMMs
          you mean grace hopper bullshit?

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They say soldered RAM is essential for cutting costs.
    The Amiga 600 was more expensive to produce despite this.
    Mistakes must not be repeated when it comes to considering soldered tech.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Amiga 600 was more expensive because Commodore were morons, not because of soldered RAM. And it IS cheaper to have the same assembly line that solders the CPU and GPU to solder the RAM as well instead of a separate monkey clicking in RAM.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guess watercoolers are going to need waterblocks for the RAM now xD

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Eventually signal integrity requirements will be so high to support higher speeds that the old slots won't be able to handle.
    It's coming whether you like it or not.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >get new motherboard
      >dust off the microwave based soldering oven
      >place the videocard in the "slot"
      >place the cpu in the "slot"
      >place the ram in the "slot"
      >place the ai-accelerator in the "slot"
      >place the NSA backdoor module in the "slot"
      >bake
      >pray
      yeah frick off this is a major regression, if slots are becoming the weak point of signal integrity it's time for these modules to be standardized because all they are doing is the same job across different brand of product

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