Can stealing be moral? Most societies consider it illegal, yet most individuals dont believe the law equals moral law.

Can stealing be moral? Most societies consider it illegal, yet most individuals don’t believe the law equals moral law.

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      St. Augustine himself said that stealing from the corrupted is not a sin because you are not taking "his" property, you are merely taking back what's yours

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        No, every attempt to moralize theft is really just justifying giving in to selfish urges at the expense of others. No, it doesn't matter how "bad" you personally think the party being stolen from is, there's someone who thinks you're just as bad but you wouldn't consider that person stealing from you moral.

        "Saint" Augustine was a filthy pear thief himself, of course he'd make excuses

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Mate, if we can moralize killing, then it is not difficult to moralize stealing based on the exact same circumstances

          You kill/steal from the one causing you unjust harm

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you can hypothetically kill in self-defense, there's no such thing as stealing in self-defense

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The exact same situation applies - desperate need to defend ones self or the ones you love
            And the exact same solution applies - target the ones causing the trouble

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            none of this is a coherent response to what I said
            there is no scenario where someone is attempting to harm you and the only solution is to steal something from them

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Desperation to feed and provide for your loved ones
            Target the rich guy with a bad rap

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            bill gates isn't causing you harm in that scenario nor is it the only viable course of action, moron
            "stealing from rich people is okay because I've decided that some vague notion of "the rich" is causing my problems and not myself" is on the exact same level of logic as saying killing random black people is self defense because you've decided criminality is caused by black people so killing a black person is basically killing a guy who's about to shoot you
            if you need to feed your loved ones get a fricking job

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >if you need to feed your loved ones get a fricking job
            Heh. No, anon. This is not a case of individuals with a bit of bad luck but more a case of a full mob robbing the rich for grain after being told to let them eat cake

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            still not self-defense moron

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes it is
            Those guys are directly responsible for the well-being of their people and they did not just fail, they also continued to turn a deaf ear

            That's a direct threat to be addressed...directly

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            neglect is not actual harm, and as an adult no one is responsible for your well-being but yourself
            people who have food are not responsible for the well-being of those who don't, just like you're not responsible for killing everyone who's ever drowned because you didn't save any of them

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Neglect IS harm, dipshit

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >silence is violence
            yeah frick off

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Please tell me that you are just trolling at this point
            They didn't get rich from hard work, you know

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Stop harming me then

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In a christian society Bill gates would donate to those people so they don't have to steal to survive.
            You know, charity.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He does dullard.

            Please tell me that you are just trolling at this point
            They didn't get rich from hard work, you know

            Is taxation theft in your mind?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bill Gates lives in a gated community far away from the peasants, historically he'd have to bribe the locals and the church with money to placate them.
            You are missing the point and its also ok to steal for food in the Bible.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Show me the scripture proving your claim

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >historically he'd have to bribe the locals and the church with money to placate them
            Irrelevant. We live in the modern day and in the modern day you can donate to the poor and sit away from poor people.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And stealing food is even more irrelivant since we produce so much food, it doesn't matter.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You find my scripture proving your claim yet? Still waiting.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            People do not despise a thief If he steals to satisfy himself when he is starving. Yet when he is found, he must restore sevenfold; He may have to give up all the substance of his house.
            6:30-31 proverb

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >its also ok to steal for food in the Bible.
            >posts a scripture explicitly saying how a thief gets punished for being a thief
            Feeling sorry for a thief doesn't mean you approve of their actions or that their actions are morally good.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The scripture allows you to steal food to feed yourself, it also allows others to punish you if you get caught.
            I never said its moral, right or wrong or that it approves of stealiong food , just that its allowed.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >just that its allowed
            You don't know what that word means. If you get punished for doing something, that doesn't mean it is allowed. All of Proverbs 6 is a guideline of what not to do or do.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You are allowed to steal to feed yourself, but you will be punished for it if you get caught.
            You aren't allowed to kill people left and right, regardless if you get caught.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I mean you can make the same argument for murder. You will only get punished if you get caught

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The church condemns theft yes even if it is for food and you are starving you moron.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            take for exaple pre revolution france or any country who was in a similar situation. Do you still believe stealing from the rich would be illegal?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            *moral instead of illegal im a dumbass

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But there is?
            I am starving and yet a legal authority is taking my money.
            I am poor and have to pay rent and for food, and I cannot afford both. I am stealing to preserve my life.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >legal authority is taking my money.
            That you consent to
            >pay rent and for food, and I cannot afford both
            Move someplace cheaper and buy cheap but filling food. You do not deserve steak and ribs if you are poor. You get beans and rice. Or swallow you pride and go to a soup kitchen

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What about stealing ideas?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Intellectual property is a meme. You mind can't defend the ideas you hold from being taken. It's an aberration that only exists under nanny state laws.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Disney and Nintendo exists, b***h

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on why you're stealing and who you're stealing from. If you're genuinely starving, haven't been able to get help, and you're stealing just what you need from some megacorp, sure. Any other situation though, no it's not moral and should be punished harshly.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, morality has an aspect of right and wrong defined in a spectrum. This such spectrum evaluates the gravity of an action, It isn't black and white but there are multiple ways of evaluating the spectrum. While stealing to feed your own family is not wrong, stealing to feed your addiction is. But you see there are mitigating factors which eliminates the aspect of wrong in a full or partial degree. Now, it can also be moral what is immoral, if the culture or the society is alienated as much. You could also deny the idea of morality.

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