Can we get a list of paradoxes that are irreconcilable with theism?

Can we get a list of paradoxes that are irreconcilable with theism?

>Is good that which God says is good or is God that which is good?
>If God is good, why is there evil and suffering?
>Why doesn't God simply expose himself to humanity in a way that is beyond all doubt?
>Why did God create himself in order to sacrifice himself in order to redeem the sins of creatures he created that are encouraged by demons he controls?
>Why did he humiliate Job?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    #justice4job

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>Is good that which God says is good or is God that which is good?
    False dichtonomy, the essence of God is goodness itself, there is no distiction between one or the other.
    >>If God is good, why is there evil and suffering?
    God being good is not incompatible with the existence of evil.
    >>Why doesn't God simply expose himself to humanity in a way that is beyond all doubt?
    Because even then there's tons of people who would refuse to submit to Him and obey Him, if He were to reveal Himself out in the open so that no one could deny that a God exists, that would only make thousands rise against Him and His followers in a desperate and futile attempt at freedom. I short, it would be counterproductive.
    >>Why did God create himself in order to sacrifice himself in order to redeem the sins of creatures he created that are encouraged by demons he controls?
    This question is the result of an inability to understand the Trinity, the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father, they are two distinct persons united in essence, it was the Son who sacrificed Himself to the Father.
    >>Why did he humiliate Job?
    For a multiplicity of reasons, but chief among them is to assert His sovereignty over all humans, that we may learn to love God regardless of whether or not He favors us, and that His blessings are not conditional to good behavior.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Because even then there's tons of people who would refuse to submit to Him and obey Him
      So what? Those people wouldn't obey him anyways. Even if there's only a single person who would obey him because of it, doesn't that make it worth it?
      >if He were to reveal Himself out in the open so that no one could deny that a God exists, that would only make thousands rise against Him and His followers in a desperate and futile attempt at freedom
      Don't you already believe this happened multiple times in history (most notably with Jesus), and that it's going to happen again in the future? Apparently God doesn't have an issue with doing this.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Because even then there's tons of people who would refuse to submit to Him and obey Him, if He were to reveal Himself out in the open so that no one could deny that a God exists, that would only make thousands rise against Him and His followers in a desperate and futile attempt at freedom. I short, it would be counterproductive.
        So saving people who are on the fence is counter productive cause some peoplr might rise against him? I bet the majority of people would submit to an almighty being if it revealed itself to them, I can't even understand the logic of rebelling since what can you do against a being that dictates reality. Really this is one of my biggest gripes with abrahamic religions, and all the justifications are nonsensr as always

        God does not wish to save just some people, He wishes to save all of them, including those who would rebel against Him. His victory must be absolute.

        >there is no distiction between one or the other
        What is good?

        Good is good.

        You completely miss the point. Why is God playing mindgames with himself and his toys?

        God was not playing mindgames with Job. And the answer has already been given: Job was brought to shame for the reasons already given.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >with Job
          Nobody mentioned him. Why is God playing mindgames with us?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Nobody mentioned him.
            OP was, which I is why I'm mentioning him.
            >Why is God playing mindgames with us?
            He is not, do you think He's playing? Do you think this is all just a game for Him? That God is just doing all of this for fun?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Do you think this is all just a game for Him? That God is just doing all of this for fun?
            You're the one who has to explain what his motivations are if he keeps fricking with us to "test our faith"

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >God does not wish to save just some people, He wishes to save all of them
          And wouldn't showing himself in an undeniable way save at least one person?
          >including those who would rebel against Him.
          As I said, if someone would rebel against God with 100% certainty he exists, they would also rebel against God if they were unsure of his existence. So showing himself wouldn't damn anyone, it could only possibly save people.
          >His victory must be absolute
          So you're a universalist?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why do they keep trying though

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >there is no distiction between one or the other
      What is good?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Because even then there's tons of people who would refuse to submit to Him and obey Him, if He were to reveal Himself out in the open so that no one could deny that a God exists, that would only make thousands rise against Him and His followers in a desperate and futile attempt at freedom. I short, it would be counterproductive.
      So saving people who are on the fence is counter productive cause some peoplr might rise against him? I bet the majority of people would submit to an almighty being if it revealed itself to them, I can't even understand the logic of rebelling since what can you do against a being that dictates reality. Really this is one of my biggest gripes with abrahamic religions, and all the justifications are nonsensr as always

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I can't even understand the logic of rebelling since what can you do against a being that dictates reality.
        Beats me, why don't you ask those angry atheists types who admit that even if God existed they'd choose to fight him like Christopher Hitchens or Dan Barker, he has said openly that if it turned out to be that Christianity is true, he'd willingly go to hell since he can't bring himself to believe in the resurrection.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Do you believe that Satan is real?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well they are morons, and even then I doubt that they would actually abide by those statements if God was in front of them.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You completely miss the point. Why is God playing mindgames with himself and his toys?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Would you rather have a bride that chooses to be with you or a bride that is forced to? Which ones love is real?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How can the bride chose you if she doesn't even know you exist?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Love isn't chosen. No one makes a rational choice to love someone or not, it's an uncontrollable instinct.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why does this concern god? Is he a neurotic woman?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You said theism but are talking about Christianity, so I’ll continue the theme.

    >has a creation story
    >it’s in the wrong order, wrong timeframe, cosmology is wrong
    >all the details are wrong in the same way other myths are
    >christians don’t seem to realize it’s a massive problem that their book of truth is false and false right out the gate
    >they don’t seem to realize that if their religion wasn’t based on myth like all the others, these details would actually be correct, that would make it stand out amongst the rest

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The high IQ realization is that Christianity and other religions is basically grippling with the fact that God does not exist. All Christians are fundamentally atheist. That's why it's called faith and not fact.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>Is good that which God says is good or is God that which is good?
    He is good because he can manipulate concepts
    >>If God is good, why is there evil and suffering?
    Because he wantsd it
    >>Why doesn't God simply expose himself to humanity in a way that is beyond all doubt?
    Because hell needs it s share of soul
    >>Why did God create himself in order to sacrifice himself in order to redeem the sins of creatures he created that are encouraged by demons he controls?
    Because he could
    >>Why did he humiliate Job?
    for the giggles

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Radiochan

    >>Is good that which God says is good or is God that which is good?
    God defines what is good.
    >>If God is good, why is there evil and suffering?
    Define evil.
    >>Why doesn't God simply expose himself to humanity in a way that is beyond all doubt?
    One could say God has via nature.
    >>Why did God create himself in order to sacrifice himself in order to redeem the sins of creatures he created that are encouraged by demons he controls?
    This isn't a paradox incompatible with theism, it's more of an anti Christian thing. Regardless, theologians have talked about this for 2000 years and the answers are easy enough to look up.
    >>Why did he humiliate Job?
    To magnify his glory.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Extreme Finitism Anon

    I want to focus on these three since their answers go together:
    >Is good that which God says is good or is God that which is good?
    The laws of logic cause the Best Possible Being (God) to exist, so a bit of both. God's essentially good incarnate. (Well inpneumate technically since he's a spirit, but you get me)

    >If God is good, why is there evil and suffering?
    Because he's omnipotent and infinities can't exist.
    Let's examine it. The Greek word used in the LXX for "good" is καλός, so let's use κ as the symbol for the value God seeks to increase (or, more properly speaking, for the quantity of that value). We'll define God as the best possible being: the entity with greatest possible ability and desire to increase κ.

    If infinities could exist, the best possible being would make this fact true:
    κ=∞

    However actual infinities cannot exist; finitism is true and they are self-contradictions. The most we get in a finitist world are potentential infinities. So instead God has to transform that to be about potential infinities. This gets us the notion that God must introduce something else: something that allows for the value to grow from the starting point of 0 and yet not be actually infinite. He needs to create time and add it to the equation. Let's use t to represent time, as is standard practice. So instead of κ=∞, the following equation would be utilized:

    lim(t -> ∞) κ(t) = ∞
    (Sorry for the unusual format, IQfy doesn't like limits)

    This is the minimum that ensures it is a guaranteed potential infinity.

    What that means is God ensures that as the quantity of time increases, the quantity of κ increases.

    >Why doesn't God simply expose himself to humanity in a way that is beyond all doubt?
    Adding an extra variable to this equation which is not time-dependant would mean an actually infinite quantity of κ.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    God wants for everyone to be saved, and got a superpower that makes it so he always get what he wants (omnipotence)
    Do the math

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