CES 2024

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There are NBA players making millions of dollars who still shoplift

    >just give everyone free money and it will solve all problems
    This is how a 5-year-old thinks

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're useless.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        imagine having israelite wiener so down your throat it reaches your stomach
        giving free money to everyone will solve nearly all problems

        UBI is inevitable when AI and automation replaces everyone's jobs. And that's a good thing, because at the moment idiot humans are doing jobs that they're not qualified to do and end up making mistakes that cause a lot of problems for everyone. And the only reason those idiots try to find a job is because they need to put food on the table. If we can provide idiots with a basic income then they'll have no obligation to work, and that way all the work in the world is left to competent machines that won't make mistakes. It also means that working is no longer the primary focus of life, and people can spend their time doing enjoyable things instead of slaving away.

        >Just give everyone free money and that will fix everything
        Worked out so good in Zimbabwe.

        >Inflation
        They aren't printing money from thin air you dipshit
        >where would this magical mystery money come from?
        Tax the rich

        >Tax the rich
        Where are you going to spend your free money after we eat da riiich and bring down da moneyarchy!!!
        There wont be any walmart,target etc.
        I guess you could try to eat the paper or something uhhhh... i dont think thats very nutricious.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Worked out so good in Zimbabwe.
          Don't print the money moron. Zimbabwe printed money and not even for UBI but for military, debt and other necessities

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Tax the rich
          >There wont be any walmart,target etc.
          Can you elaborate?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well... basically...
            When you take away all their money they wont be able to pay their employees or buy any goods and their company will collapse.
            Do you like not understand that or what are you asking me to elaborate on exactly...?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It’s actually worse than that. They will just move shop to Ireland and continue to sell their goods in the U.S. since our Congress is always favorable to foreign entities over domestic ones.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you tax a worker, then you don't take away all his money. Why would it be different for rich people? Also, how do taxes on private assets affect companies? I don't buy the "tax the rich -> no more supermarkets"-argument.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >i dont buy the "take away all the money from the supermarkets and give it to me=no more supermarkets" argument
            Uhhhh what?
            Do you think that companies just got their goods for free,they dont pay bills on their buildings and dont have to pay their workers or something?
            What kind of schizo rambling is this.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The initial idea in

            >Inflation
            They aren't printing money from thin air you dipshit
            >where would this magical mystery money come from?
            Tax the rich

            (I'm nta) was to
            >tax the rich
            to finance UBI.
            Then in

            [...]
            [...]
            >Just give everyone free money and that will fix everything
            Worked out so good in Zimbabwe.
            [...]
            >Tax the rich
            Where are you going to spend your free money after we eat da riiich and bring down da moneyarchy!!!
            There wont be any walmart,target etc.
            I guess you could try to eat the paper or something uhhhh... i dont think thats very nutricious.

            you said
            >There wont be any walmart,target etc.

            So how does a legacy tax / inheritance tax of, say 80 %, make huge companies disappear?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They leave the country to a nation without such ridiculous taxes that are designed to impoverish them to support UBI.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And what do they do in these nations?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Continue as before, selling goods internationally while paying a mild tax on their profits.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            how do they sell goods internationally? just teleport them to the customers?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >impoverish them
            Dude, if your parents are multi-millionaires, then you're still wealthy.

            By your logic, every worker who pays wage tax should just quit their job, because they don't have any money anyway.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >it’s ok that we want to take 80% of your wealth!
            Anon, the taxes your suggesting would destroy whatever company you’re thinking of taxing.

            The only thing your ideas would cause is a mass exodus of capital from the U.S.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The only thing your ideas would cause is a mass exodus of capital from the U.S.
            Then make them stay until they finish paying their dues first by force.
            We spend 1 trillion on the military every year why not use it once in a while.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You can’t make people stay in your economy, anon. That causes more people to leave.
            Even worse, such actions will lead people to doubt the value of the currency and they will start selling off their dollar investments to avoid the risk of a confrontational and aggressive U.S. administration.

            If the U.S. starts trying to cannibalize US corps, the entire world understands that as a signal that the dollar is done.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >destroy whatever company you’re thinking of taxing
            I suggested a high inheritance tax. How would that destroy a company?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Then people wouldn't want to die moron. We would have an ever growing population of pensioners. You think this is good?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It would cause anyone with substantial wealth to lose to inheritance, to not hold that wealth in the U.S.
            how do you tax or invest wealth that isn’t in the nation?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Nah, we can't introduce inheritance tax, because there will be people who try to dodge it.
            Sounds not convincing to me.
            Actually, I really don't know about those things and I'm not trying to convince anybody, it's just that I still don't believe in your initial argument. I tried to question you to make you explain, but you haven't been very convincing either.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I really don’t care what you believe or not since you’re clearly not very educated.

            I’m informing you as to why your ideas are stupid. Banks would never comply, they would assist in the movement of capital to branches in other nations, and they would suggest to the rest of the world that EVERYONE should ditch the dollar before DC tries to rob them.
            >taxes aren’t robbery!
            80% taxes on wealth is definitely robbery.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >you’re clearly not very educated
            At least not regarding this topic, that's true. I just pulled out inheritance tax of 80% out of my ass, so it's very likely that it is a stupid idea (and much too simplistic). Anyway, I'm out of here, thanks for the discussion.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No problem, friend. Ultimately, an 80% inheritance tax means no one leaves inheritance. They put it all into estates instead.

            The issue with targeting wealth with high taxes is that it creates pressure on them to leave the nation, and this decision can prove contagious as almost all economic entities are leaning on one another. When one major player decides to leave, the rest will take the opportunity to join in on the action.
            Any exodus of capital from the U.S. will destroy international confidence in the dollar, which is why things like this will likely never happen. The state and the corporate elite stand to benefit a lot more from cooperation than from antagonism.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            NTA, capital controls
            >but then you are uninvestable
            China.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Bitcoin destroys your capital controls like it did with China’s. There’s also too many dollars outside of the nation for such action to even work.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Like it didn't with Russia's?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What about Russia? No one in the world wants their currency, just their oil.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Their capital controls worked.
            >No one in the world wants their currency, just their oil
            For a self-sufficient exporter this is good. Lower local currency means lower costs of business

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Lower local currency
            It is literally not, that anon is a moron. Russia's currency CANNOT fall, because it is based on gold standard and the government can defend it. Countries like Argentina could learn from Russia about how to handle inflation

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It has been falling for a year. The trend reversed only in September last year.
            >it is based on gold standard
            That was april 2022, as you can see on the provided graph, did not work. Nobody can actually exercise their peg, nor is russia defending, so it doesn't work. Also nobody cares about boomer rocks
            >Argentina
            No they couldn't. Argentina has a slightly positive trade balance, russia is a giga exporter that on good years nearly 2x's it's imports in exports.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Both have enough gold in reserves to defend

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >muh gold
            I already addressed this. This is what happens when you think from a septic tank
            >b-but I threw a chunk of silver in, so it's clean

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It didn't. Also bitcoin is traceable, if anything, you meant monero

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Who cares if it’s traceable? It served as a way to extract wealth from the controlled Chinese economy, thereby destroying bypassing the capital control mechanisms.

            This is for a nation not nearly as invested across the world as the U.S. is. The U.S. has no chance of enforcing capital controls while protecting the international confidence in the dollar.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Clearly not because China just banned bitcoin and nobody has managed to extract any wealth from China. Which is why the massive investments in infrastructure are possible

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, China banned bitcoin precisely because it is used to bypass their capital controls.
            And it’s also very clear that the ban isn’t working since there is still plenty of bitcoin activity coming out of China.
            >they built infrastructure so clearly this isn’t true
            That’s a stupid assumption. Just because their capital controls are bypassed doesn’t mean they don’t have funds for infrastructure. This entire conversation is about the ineffectiveness of capital controls.

            Last post you get from me. It’s incredibly boring talking to people who think the state has divine powers or some stupid shit. Go open a finance textbook for once.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >And it’s also very clear that the ban isn’t working since there is still plenty of bitcoin activity coming out of China.
            Anon, price halved because of this and never came back. The people who transferred money through bitcoin lost half of it and still have to pay some tax in some tax haven. They would be better off just paying tax in China, which was the point

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >How would taxing a company 80% destroy it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's fine, all their assets are still in the US. Their presence isn't wealth, their assets are wealth.

            Only fresh entrepeneurs and intelligent wagies bring wealth to a nation, old gays are dime a dozen.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >all of their assets are still in the U.S.
            what makes you say that? israelites managed to extract a lot of their wealth from Germany when the Nazis came looking for it.
            Why do you think the U.S. will do any better at preventing the wealthy from extracting their wealth from the nation?

            Gold exists. Art exists. Bags of cash exists.
            Banks would willfully help the very affluent to fudge their bank accounts to assist this action, since the Banks are run by the people you’re suggesting this action be launched against.

            You would capture maybe 15% of the wealth, which wouldn’t finance any sort of UBI against the inflation such a divestment from America would cause. Not to mention every single foreign nation taking such actions as the signal that the dollar is dead.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Why do you think the U.S. will do any better at preventing the wealthy from extracting their wealth from the nation?
            Because USA won WW 2 also we have a massive trillion dollar military if anyone helps Jeff Bezos steal from the USA we can just declare war over that and nuke them with Jezz Bezos inside.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > we have a massive trillion dollar military
            How are you going to fund that military when all of the Banks freeze up the capital in the U.S.?
            Are you going to print the money to pay those soldiers? How are you going to replace the economic activity of the corporations you’re targeting when they freeze all production because you froze their capital?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > we have a massive trillion dollar military
            How are you going to fund that military when all of the Banks freeze up the capital in the U.S.?
            Are you going to print the money to pay those soldiers? How are you going to replace the economic activity of the corporations you’re targeting when they freeze all production because you froze their capital?

            >muh banks
            The single most valuable asset US banks have is the ability to create world reserve currency on demand to give it to someone, with interest. They are not going to give it up and they are not going to self-destruct themselves over this. Also transactions between banks are authorized by the government.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, that value is destroyed the instant the U.S. tries to cannibalize one of her corporations.
            Other US corps would instantly start looking to offshore everything, and there are many companies in the world that would LOVE the ability to tax 20% of Apples profits.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Not everything. Only the things that can be offshored via paper.
            >there are many companies in the world that would LOVE the ability to tax 20% of Apples profits
            Do you mean countries? They would love to, but to do so, they would need to be allowed by the US. Apple says "uhm akshually Im registered here, so I pay taxes there", US goes "no". What's Apple's move?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Gold and paper aren't real wealth.

            Natural resources, factories, intelligent and ethical young people, that's the true wealth of a nation. You can destroy it, but it's almost impossible to the fruits of the labour of a nation outside without that nation cooperating.
            >but it's my factory, so I should be able to take all the income it generates abroad
            Nope, pay taxes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > Natural resources, factories, intelligent and ethical young people
            All require capital to grow and develop.
            >nope pay taxes
            So long as they are reasonable, and the moment you tax me too hard is the moment I offshore to Ireland.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >So long as they are reasonable, and the moment you tax me too hard is the moment I offshore to Ireland.
            And when Ireland gets nuked

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            can you give a source for "take away all their money"?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        imagine having israelite wiener so down your throat it reaches your stomach
        giving free money to everyone will solve nearly all problems

        you are fat, virgin, moronic, and lolbert. off yourself

        You dont understand why poor people remain poor.
        Its a behaviour issue, not a resource issue.
        If you ever live with a woman, notice how she treats spending, then you will understand.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      imagine having israelite wiener so down your throat it reaches your stomach
      giving free money to everyone will solve nearly all problems

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You're the one who wants free money without working, rabbi.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >implying
          Rabbis have millions of dollars, 600 is nothing for them

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's some pilpul right there.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        low quality biotrash will still do low quality biotrash things
        UBI without eugenics is a recipe for disaster

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        i like how nazis have become left wing. and i like how the left wing has accepted nazis. 2020 truly changed everything

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Hitler was gay anon

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          IQfy was always racist leftists and not conservacuck morons. go on the deepest dive you can and find out how many posters loved george bush in 2006. and nazis are socialist

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you are fat, virgin, moronic, and lolbert. off yourself

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And they're people starving to death, refusing to steal. Was "ending all crime" one of the claimed goals?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >People hated him because he told the truth.
      You are correct. Materialist shitlibs live in ivory towers and have no idea how the world works to the point that they think throwing money at Black folk will fix them.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        People hate you chudcels because you'll doom us all just to dunk on people you do not like.
        This self-destructive nature is hard-wired within every human.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you raise a very valid point. social programs only really work in monocultures with morals.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    UBI is inevitable when AI and automation replaces everyone's jobs. And that's a good thing, because at the moment idiot humans are doing jobs that they're not qualified to do and end up making mistakes that cause a lot of problems for everyone. And the only reason those idiots try to find a job is because they need to put food on the table. If we can provide idiots with a basic income then they'll have no obligation to work, and that way all the work in the world is left to competent machines that won't make mistakes. It also means that working is no longer the primary focus of life, and people can spend their time doing enjoyable things instead of slaving away.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      UBI isn't going to pay for enjoyable things. Also whenever discussing this, people don't seem to notice the need for companions, which require a certain display of material wealth and usefulness, but these are things UBI isn't going to pay for because it's the need that people can go the longest without, and you don't need any particular one of the things that people use to become someone you want to be around.
      Crime is born out of a desire to fit in with a criminal culture that considers violence and theft to be signs of a desirable person, or just not being raised right, combined with shortsightedness and poor judgement.

      Also, they'll kill off whoever they consider useless eaters first, Klaus Schwab said so himself.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >UBI isn't going to pay for enjoyable things.
        Only if you're a braindead consoomer. Spending time with loved ones is free.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What did I just tell you? Love isn't unconditional, you have to earn it. You have to earn the affections of everyone you want to care for you. You have to earn what it takes to afford any form of entertainment because it turns out that just "spending time" with people is actually boring if you've got nothing to talk about, and you'll certainly have less to talk about if you've got no job and merely subsist on a revocable privilege. Not to mention the cost of travel.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      People aren't plants. Millions and millions of bored groids infesting every city is not going to be nice.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        you realize black people dont work already, right?
        ubi will likely consume the welfare system. which means they wont get paid to have babies anymore.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So ... 100% chatbots stuffed in the butt with big data then? Are C-levels still throwing money at the grift?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Inflation? I know people don't know what it is because moronic cryptopajeets simplified it to "hurr durr, money print, line up!", but in reality inflation goes up because the *demand* increases which is often consequence of more money supply because of printing, but can happen also because of minimum wage raises and UBI
    The thing is that you cannot improve the world. as soon as the pie grows, prices rise accordingly.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Inflation
      >money print
      you tax companies to provide UBI, moron-kun

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Read the entire thing moron. Inflation comes from increased demand not money printing.
        Consider: UBI is given. Everyone has more money. Everyone buys more things. Merchants see people buy more things. Merchant raises prices so he can get more money.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          see

          >we can only feasibly print more money which will drive inflation
          There will always be inflation. This is an intended outcome.
          Inflation isn't simply the amount of money in existence. It's a rise of the ratio of amount of money "chasing" a good vs the amount of good produced
          Take someone who works right now, they need to spend Y money simply to exists, but also X money to work, which leaves them with Z money. Most people don't do long-term external investments so they spend it on other things. So their pay (in some time unit) is X+Y+Z
          Let's give them A free money instead. They could just continue as they were, with extra spending, so X+Y+Z+A. Inflationary
          But let's break that free money, hey did the math and it's more than their upkeep, A = X + B
          If B >= Z, they can quit and still enjoy the same, or better, leisure spending.
          If B < Z, it's a tougher choice. Think of it this way, the difference between B and Z is the amount of your leisure money you need to pay for an "extra" 8 (more like 10 with commute) hours a day, and no work. Seems pretty good.
          For anyone quitting, if A < X + Y + Z (aka B < Y + Z) (which will almost certainly be the case), this is actually deflationary - less money overall will be spent by this individual

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >inflation exists so hyperinflation is ok
            midwit tier response

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            read it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I did, and I summarized it for you
            >hyperinflation is acceptable because inflation exists
            It’s a dumb premise that you didn’t need so much text to explain.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know, 0 words seems a stretch for "so much text". Maybe you should try reading it instead of listening to the delusions of your mind

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I did read it, and you’re STILL refusing to acknowledge that hyperinflation exists and destroys your theoretical argument.

            how do they sell goods internationally? just teleport them to the customers?

            They ship it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            and customers just walk to a cargo terminal, find a container and take their two oranges?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. People have to eat or else they starve, anon. This is common sense.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Right from a cargo container?
            So how does the company make money if everyone just walks in and takes what they want?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They sell to other countries that aren’t the US.
            Wow that was hard!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It was, since it took you like what, 5 replies, to finally backpedal from
            >They leave the country to a nation without such ridiculous taxes that are designed to impoverish them
            Which implies a change what country the head corporation is registered to
            To pulling ALL operations from the US. And I know this was a backpedal and not what you meant originally, because you kept going "oh they sell it internationally", "oh they ship it", "oh the people go to get it from the port". Only when you realized they would need stores to shelf the product, trucks to ship it, people to man all of it, actual transactions to get the money (not to mention customs) ALL happening on US soil which cannot happen if the US government doesn't let you, only then did you realize
            >oh frick I guess operating from an offshore shell company is not some magic counter spell for government regulation, it's only possible because the government lets you
            >they could force you to pay proper tax, if they actually wanted to

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It took 5 replies because your replies implicitly believed that corporations can’t function without the US.
            That is very incorrect.

            The rest of your post is just ranting, so I won’t reply to it. Only morons think you can prevent capital flight from a nation as thoroughly invested in foreign economies as the U.S. is.

            As I said before, the banks would resist the state every step of the way. China would also help such banks resist since a collapse in the dollar is obviously good for them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >can’t function without the US
            Not in the US.
            >muh banks cope
            Less crying about banker boogeyman, more economic understanding please

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >refusing to acknowledge that hyperinflation exists
            Am I? Because I do acknowledge that hyperinflation exists. I do not know how it relates to what I wrote though
            >and destroys your theoretical argument
            Does it? I don't see it. Maybe you could explain how, instead of throwing your buzzword around

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The post we are discussing does not take into hyperinflation into consideration. You presented some nice, ideal equilibriums that won’t exist in a world with hyperinflation.

            The primary issue is that currency isn’t real wealth, so UBI doesn’t actually deliver wealth. It does however introduce an inflation driver that can only be offset by good economic activity to tax.

            The instant the economy goes bearish, that’s when hyperinflation takes over the entire equilibrium.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The post we are discussing does not take into hyperinflation into consideration
            It didn't take a coronal mass ejection, or an alien invasion either. Why is hyperinflation the only possible externality you single out?
            >You presented some nice, ideal equilibriums that won’t exist in a world with hyperinflation.
            Great. Could you perhaps, quote some of them, and describe in what way they won't exist in a world with hyperinflation?
            >real wealth
            Real wealth doesn't exist, everything is relative to perceived value by humans. Same water bottle is worth different amount to a drowning person than it is to someone lost in the desert
            >It does however introduce an inflation driver that can only be offset by good economic activity to tax.
            I have addressed this in my post. People unemployed to due UBI are deflationary, unless they were paid so little only UBI is higher than their previous pay. You are also confusing "inflation" with "government spending".
            >The instant the economy goes bearish, that’s when hyperinflation takes over the entire equilibrium.
            "bearish" is imprecise. Do you mean an economic slowdown, aka people spending less and saving more? Because that's deflationary

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > Why is hyperinflation the only possible externality you single out?
            Because facilitating UBI creates inflationary pressure.
            >real wealth doesn’t exist
            Ok I think we’re done here lol.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There is always inflationary pressure. Let's say I agree that UBI does create inflationary pressure (I don't). You failed to argue why this specific amount of inflationary pressure is enough to cause hyperinflation.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >uhh just give everyone free money!
    >problem solved. im so smart.
    ever heard of inflation dipshit? we arent going to cut military spending or increase taxes so where would this magical mystery money come from?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Inflation
      They aren't printing money from thin air you dipshit
      >where would this magical mystery money come from?
      Tax the rich

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >we arent going to cut military spending or increase taxes
      You will have to do at least one of these if you ever wish to repay your debt

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        our debt is domestic we are not going to repay it

        >Inflation
        They aren't printing money from thin air you dipshit
        >where would this magical mystery money come from?
        Tax the rich

        ok so you are moronic, got it.
        do the math dip shit.
        what is 2000 * 300,000,000
        it does not matter how much you tax rich people you will not have nearly enough money without printing more or completely re-balancing the nation's budget.

        so are you worried about inflation or the source of the money? because these are two different things

        we can only feasibly print more money which will drive inflation.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >our debt is domestic we are not going to repay it
          You owe China 25 trillion dollars you fat frick

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            no we dont you fricking moron we have like 30 trillion in domestic debt and less than 1 trillion in foreign debt to china which will eventually get paid and replaced with more debt. domestic debt does not fricking matter you dumb thirdworlder maybe if your government figured that out you wouldnt have to shit on the street.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, you DO owe China 25 trillion dollars you fat frick

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you just made up that number you homosexual lol

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            anon, you’re moronic. Prove your claim or stop posting.

            N

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >indirectly owed
            So assumptions? Show the numbers, gay.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >indirectly
            holy shit you are so fricking stupid you should die

            That means US government owes to Chinese companies, and since most large Chinese companies are State Owned, this is de facto not even an indirect debt

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That’s not at all what the article is suggesting. It’s just making broad assumptions on debt held by US entities.
            >oh this business does work with China
            >so their debt is actually Chinese debt!
            It doesn’t work like that at all.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >indirectly
            holy shit you are so fricking stupid you should die

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            kys
            https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090616/5-countries-own-most-us-debt.asp

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Hey man you owe me 25 dollars
            >Huh? 15 dollars? I will get it right away
            >Okay, let me take the 10$ out of my wallet?
            >You said 5$, right?
            >Okay dude, here is your dollar
            Literally the meme

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >say incorrect things with unsourced articles
            >get shown the real statistics
            >muh memes!
            You’re just some stupid Black person. Take the L.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            what the frick are you talking about, moron?
            It's you who's going "uh also you owe ma another 25 because you owe it to steve, and another 25 because you own it to jimmy, and..."

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >say incorrect things with unsourced articles
            >get shown the real statistics
            >muh memes!
            You’re just some stupid Black person. Take the L.

            Just give China's money back to China already. Stop talking, stop thinking about avoiding it, start giving

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            witness as the Black person doubles down, knowing full well that he’s been found out.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I am not shilling for Africa Black person, China, not Africa

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >implying there’s a difference between chinks and Black folk
            Both make up lies to justify their actions. I don’t care if you’re a chink or a Black person since you’re obviously a lying frick.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How of all places are Belgium and Luxemburg in that list?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            anon, you’re moronic. Prove your claim or stop posting.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >we can only feasibly print more money which will drive inflation
          There will always be inflation. This is an intended outcome.
          Inflation isn't simply the amount of money in existence. It's a rise of the ratio of amount of money "chasing" a good vs the amount of good produced
          Take someone who works right now, they need to spend Y money simply to exists, but also X money to work, which leaves them with Z money. Most people don't do long-term external investments so they spend it on other things. So their pay (in some time unit) is X+Y+Z
          Let's give them A free money instead. They could just continue as they were, with extra spending, so X+Y+Z+A. Inflationary
          But let's break that free money, hey did the math and it's more than their upkeep, A = X + B
          If B >= Z, they can quit and still enjoy the same, or better, leisure spending.
          If B < Z, it's a tougher choice. Think of it this way, the difference between B and Z is the amount of your leisure money you need to pay for an "extra" 8 (more like 10 with commute) hours a day, and no work. Seems pretty good.
          For anyone quitting, if A < X + Y + Z (aka B < Y + Z) (which will almost certainly be the case), this is actually deflationary - less money overall will be spent by this individual

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            inflation only exists to compel the economy forward... specifically to encourage investments and drive industry
            Giving everyone free money without requiring "work" breaks that system. People are disincentivized to drive industry now. Nice job idiot

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        can you economicslets shut the frick up? governments are not individuals or corporations, they don't need to turn a profit, they don't need to be debt free, they are literally the sole legal issuer of the currency their debt is in and they can never run out, they CHOOSE to have a debt, neither them or their debtors want them to the government to be debt free

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The us government is literally a corporation with a monopoly and hands out monopolies to people it controls to assert power over the prol which it fears

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It literally isn't

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It literally is, you might not be the stakeholder but somebody is

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            see

            It literally isn't

            words have meanings, you are not a woman, nor will you ever be

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It literally is.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      so are you worried about inflation or the source of the money? because these are two different things

    • 1 month ago
      McDumbol’ Doungass /fa/18+ Horny

      simple: we cut the military spending

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Just cut the thing holding up the ponzy scheme
        Liberals have no knowledge of how we got to here or where their ideas proliferated from

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Force is what keeps currencies afloat. Any country that doesn't want the dollar can get destroyed.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >productivity increases by 100x
      >money earned by workers increases by 5x
      The magical mystery money comes from the other 95x. Currently that excess is being hoarded by a few israelites and to be fair some non-israelites in the top echelons of wealth.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's a social control mechanism.
    You're going to get UBI in exchange for political compliance. If you publish any opinions the state doesn't like, it will be taken away from you, putting you at a huge disadvantage compared to the rest of society.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Exactly. Once UBI is implemented they'll punish people by not giving them money. Then they'll start taking away money from people for breaking a law! In they end, they'll have entire buildings of people that did something government doesn't like, who can't leave

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why the frick is everyone assuming ~~*they*~~ will give out UBI once they perfect the technology and automate everything? If anything, when that time comes, its the perfect justification to get a resentful mass of people that they can either gun down en-mass with whatever automated military tech that will likely exist then or just starve them out, while monitoring the "productive" cattle as serfs with surveillance tech that would make China's look backward. It fits perfectly with their whole agenda too. Is it just cope?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yup. It's also really funny seeing chuds salivate over the prospect of using robot girlfriends to "own the foids", as if the elites would ever allow these robots to be made.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >people's problems are caused by lack of material things
    Cart before the horse. People's problems cause their lack of material things. Go volunteer in a homeless shelter or soup kitchen. Any of the people that genuinely need that help: problems with drink, drugs and gambling. You could give these people a free house and they'd still frick up their lives all over again.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Any of the people that genuinely need that help: problems with drink, drugs and gambling
      A lot of these are caused by material though. Poor and indebted people drinking a lot was known since the ancient era. But you are right, it could be other things

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I don't have enough self control because I don't have enough stuff
        Yeah, the alcoholic just has to buy a bottle of liquor because he didn't have enough money for dinner.

        see [...]

        >With bad enough material situation, drugging the pain away is the optimal choice,
        Yeah, just waste your money on drugs and don't ever try to stop making poor choices. Other people should totally pick up the bill for it. It's the optimal choice.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Other people should totally pick up the bill for it. It's the optimal choice.
          Yup. It's the optimal choice for you too.
          >poor choices
          Refusing something that would benefit you because someone you don't like might also benefit, is a poor choice

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Killing yourself is the optimal choice. I won't elaborate further because you know it's true.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Yeah, the alcoholic just has to buy a bottle of liquor because he didn't have enough money for dinner.
          No, it is more like he got fired from a job and knows he won't be able to get another one to pay the rent on time so he starts drinking

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >have house
      >drinking? who cares
      >not drinking? who cares
      >lose house
      >drinking? happy thoughts, won't change anything
      >not drinking? enjoy your misery
      >no house
      >drinking? happy thoughts, won't change anything
      >not drinking? very slim chance of bouncing back
      With bad enough material situation, drugging the pain away is the optimal choice, basic game theory. Drinking doesn't help you get out, thus, a bad enough material situation creates a near-inescapeable situation. The goal isn't fix all problems, the goal is to push that critical point of no return further down, so less people spiral out.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Other people should totally pick up the bill for it. It's the optimal choice.
        Yup. It's the optimal choice for you too.
        >poor choices
        Refusing something that would benefit you because someone you don't like might also benefit, is a poor choice

        >i FRICKING LOVE gayme theory
        Junkie cope. Becoming an addict only makes you more miserable and enslaved, this is obvious. Introduce harsh punishments for junkie shit, and muh game theory will dictate otherwise.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't watche or heard anything about it. So no thoughts

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >addicts spend it all for drugs, alcohol, prostitutes or gambling
    Sounds like a great idea.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      see

      >have house
      >drinking? who cares
      >not drinking? who cares
      >lose house
      >drinking? happy thoughts, won't change anything
      >not drinking? enjoy your misery
      >no house
      >drinking? happy thoughts, won't change anything
      >not drinking? very slim chance of bouncing back
      With bad enough material situation, drugging the pain away is the optimal choice, basic game theory. Drinking doesn't help you get out, thus, a bad enough material situation creates a near-inescapeable situation. The goal isn't fix all problems, the goal is to push that critical point of no return further down, so less people spiral out.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    all its going to do is drive the cost of living up and we end up where we began but the dollar is now worth less. frick off.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So rewarding people regardless of how they act and behave will... eliminate bad behavior?

  13. 1 month ago
    A-EL

    give a poor person money it will always circle back into the local economy,

    give the money to a rich person they send it to a foreign party,

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    PCVR has stagnated for too long. Was expecting an Index successor but Deckard will still have to wait it seems.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME
    stopped reading there
    Go live in Portland or Philly if you want to see what poor people do with free money.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Go live in a pod if you want to see what rich people do with free money

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not my problem. You're either underage or one of the biggest morons to be born to think UBI will magically make the world a better place.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          underage people still believe in classical liberalism and american exceptionalism

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You're cattle, your opinion means nothing

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ouch

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          no, not magically, it may seem that way to you, but that's because you never make it to the explanation before your brain shuts down from "giving money to everyone includes people I don't like"

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    soooo... anything cool at CES?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Like 50 OLED monitors announced
      >Tiny QDEL proof of concept thing

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >PHENOMENAL """""QUANTUM"""""" POWER
        >iiiiiiitty bitty colorspace

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      should just make a new thread without an argument-provoking image

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    meh

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    bump

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Black person

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What about illegal immigrants? Do they get UBI too?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Of course. In fact, the entire world gets UBI!

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    UBI doesn't solve any problems because it implies a sufficient surplus of goods.
    If a certain critical good is so expensive that no affordable UBI program can be funded by taxes, then UBI is useless.
    Imagine, for example, that your country hasn't been building sufficient housing for something like 40 years because people keep enacting laws making it harder and more expensive to build houses.
    Then imagine that the remaining houses are supposed to go to an increasing population.
    What happens to the prices of houses, and how is UBI supposed to resolve this problem?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >houses
      Terrible efficiency. If people are getting say $1k a month in UBI, there will be small single occupant apartments that charge about $700 and cheap, low quality food items that come out to $200 a month, and other things like internet and phone service packages will be at a price where such individuals can get just what they need without any savings at all. Realistically you can multiply all numbers about by about 2-3x but you get the point. The point of UBI is that it keeps the Economy moving by creating a bottomless pit of consumers with barely enough money to survive and buy their slop ration.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No but with more disposable income, people could also but higher quality products.
        Less waste.
        No need for a stupid rtx 6050 or rtx 6060 ti when the 6090 ti super duper xxx exists.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that cities and counties across the US sold off their jails at the start of prohibition because they were convinced getting rid of alcohol would eliminate crime. Instead the opposite happened. As for OP's image, bored people get restless and with no purpose to guide them through life, tend to make up something destructive. Bergman sounds like the type of person who thinks because he would put his time to productive use if he received UBI, everyone else would too. It's the same as people in academia who work with immigrants of high education and project that on to 80 IQ leeches crossing the border. They have little understanding of people of dissimilar background but because they have attribute diversity in skin color and genitals, they believe they understand everyone.
    Idle hands truly are the devil's playground.

  22. 1 month ago
    Sage

    You can't have serious social programs without a border and the hordes of Black folk that have come over the border will kill the productive class's apatite for them.
    Also I'm not sure if you noticed but your on IQfy not /misc/.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you just give everyone a thousand bucks a month extra then prices are just going to increase by that amount.
    Sure you could solve this with government mandated price controls but at that point you're just re-inventing Soviet-style communism.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Programs like UBI do the opposite of inflation and provide a deflationary pressure. If you print money then yes there is inflation -- But Yang's plan didn't call for printing money but instead a Value-Added Tax. Everyone pays in, but those who consume the most pay in the most. This tends to be the wealthier. The wealthier also spend their money slower than someone living paycheck to paycheck. Then everyone gets the same amount back: $1,000/mo. By increasing the purchasing power of the lower tier, you increase the velocity of money (how quickly the same dollar bill is spent). Each time the dollar exchanges hands economic activity is generated. The more often and quickly this happens, the more the economy grows. As the economy grows there are increased production efficiencies and more competition in the marketplace. This brings prices down. Since the total money supply didn't change, boom: deflation, not inflation. Yang isn't a politician. He has a degree in Economics from Brown and a Law Degree from Columbia. He knows this stuff, and he knows politicians from both sides aren't doing anything to help us, so he tried.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Inflation is the result of more demand, not more money in ciculation. But the VAT thing is interesting, because VAT does provide deflationary pressure

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Inflation is the result of more demand, not more money in ciculation
          frick you are a moron.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, you are the moron. If your population doubles and the money in circulation also doubles there will be no inflation

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          having a job by itself requires money, which you need to spend to buy goods and services to perform a job, inducing demand
          most people can't live off of investment, a lot of people have very little savings and spend most of the money they earn
          their work gives them cost of work + cost of living + discretionary, they spend it all
          if they get UBI and quit, then that UBI needs to cover cost of living + discretionary, they spend it all
          so their discretionary spending money can even increase while simultaneously lowering the total demand generated by them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        VAT increases frick over the poor very hard though.
        To a rich man an additional 5 cents for every dollar spent means nothing, but to a poor man that can have catastrophic consequences.
        Also more competition does not equal prices going down and anyone who thinks that ought to be forcibly re-educated.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >increasing the demand on currency actually causes deflation!
        moron

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          VAT decreases spending which causes deflation because people are saving

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