>Civil war of 1937. >25 000 000 dead. >Civil war of 1877. >20 000 000 dead. >Civil war of 1850

>Civil war of 1937
>25 000 000 dead

>Civil war of 1877
>20 000 000 dead

>Civil war of 1850
>70 000 000 dead

>Civil war of 1616
>25 000 000 dead

>Civil war of 763
>36 000 000 dead

Studying Chinese history really makes you believe in the Faustian spirit. Not once did they stop to think.

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    that such purges are unnecessary is yet to be proven, until then chang's dynastic cycle will remain the most resilient form of civilization

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Are these numbers even really accurate? Was their census this advanced in 763?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      the chinese census system is based on household taxes so they just wrote off people who flee or migrated elsewhere as dead

      that such purges are unnecessary is yet to be proven, until then chang's dynastic cycle will remain the most resilient form of civilization

      really makes me think indeed, maybe the reason why china is unified under one identity to this day while post roman europe failed is because they routinely carry out self genocide, maybe Mao really was the reincarnation of Qin Shi Huang

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >post roman europe failed
        because every would-be liu bang, li shiming or zhu yuanzhang of europe was defeated by a coalition that then wrote them into history as literally satan themselves. but europeans had no shortage of apocalyptic wars. just look at the 30 years war, dozens of armies marching back and forth burning german villages for what?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        you have the EU today bucko
        maybe learn to appreciate it

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          not even gonna mention brexit, just the fact that they dont speak the same language and doesnt have a single united identity makes them inferior to modern china. look how easy it is for Russia to rattle EU just by threatening to cut gas supply to germany

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean arguably yes? You read about the Romans and you find they never really tried to displace the Gauls, Carthaginians, Egyptians. They just became their lords and over time the locals evolved into something else. Every Chinese Empire which expanded displaced or assimilated the locals and you ended up with Chinese who spoke weird Chinese languages.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      To a degree. The issue is that since the census exists for tax purposes, anyone who flees outside government control to escape taxation, particularly in a time of chaos and civil war where staying at home can get you killed by desperate starving bandits, and thus vanish from the record and written off as "dead." So you can end up having entire self-sufficient farming communities or bandit armies that aren't in the census but would contribute to the "death count" calculations by our lazy modern "scholars."

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is there really any benefit in killing millions of your own people every century?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      genetically selects for fitness, unfortunately that still puts chinas gene pool at a peasant mid-low average

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I get 1937 but it's hard to figure how 500,000 troops could it the food of 20 million people. How exactly is it supposed that these wars led to famines exactly? It's not like 17th century peasants were importing chemical fertilizer.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      If your sons go to war and die you produce less crops
      If you produce less crops someone starved. That someone also sold tools to another farmer who will now produce even less crops. And so it spirals into complete disaster

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Hmm yes i suppose that's true. But most of the people doing the dying were the peasants. It still seems hard to figure.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          china had a very well integrated economy that depended heavily on shipping, you disrupt that and millions die, particularly in the north

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think so at the peasant level though. What supplies does a Chinese millet subsistence farmer need on a regular basis?/

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            well that's assuming the farmer in question wasn't displaced, but I suspect poor urban populations suffered the most in times of shortage

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >How exactly is it supposed that these wars led to famines exactly?
      China is prone to severe and extreme weather like years of drought (crops die) or floods (cities near the Yellow/Yangtze River get flooded and people die since most people tend to leave near these rivers or by their tributaries). If the central government is strong, they can respond and provide aid and lesson the burden. If its corrupt and/or weak, they can't. And if they're fighting a war and are unable to marshal any resources, the peasants are fricked.

      Rebellions in China tend to happen due to a response in shitty peasant conditions like earthquakes, floods, droughts, plagues that contribute to famine conditions. The Yellow Turbans and Taiping Rebellion both followed years of badly managed droughts/famines that shook confidence in the dynasty and led to peasant revolts. These revolts lead to fighting, raids, pillaging, causing migration of the agrarian peasants. If the peasants are migrating, then they aren't farming, and thus food becomes scarce and the famine becomes worse. China is also relatively urbanized, and war can disrupt the logistical supply of food. Think how in the Roman Empire time a lot of grain was shipped from Egypt and North Africa. If Rome suddenly got blockaded, they'd starve. Same shit. Blockade Nanjing or cut off easy road/river access and it starves the frick out too without relying on a full siege.

  5. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Not once did they stop to think.
    think about what?

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >WW2 1939-1945
    >40 000 000 dead

    >WW1 1917
    >17 000 000 dead

    why are europeans like this? they have like half of china's population

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Most of the dead were Asians, but how did 17 million die in ww1

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Famine.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Most of the dead were Asians
        I specifically used 40 million for ww2 to account for european deaths only. 27 million soviets 14 million germans, half a million british and french each, 300k americans in the european theatre. if we go total and include asia it goes up to 75 million, but what's shocking is the majority is still europe.

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Not once did they stop to think.
    Maybe its the greatest argument against a monarchy? Only takes a few bad sons or overtly ambitious nobles to frick things over.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Ah yes the roman republic famously never had civil wars and wasn't corrupted to the point everyone looked to a strongman to solve the problems

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    No physical evidence

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