>COBOL programmers for critical infrastructure are retiring and dying

>COBOL programmers for critical infrastructure are retiring and dying
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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    AI will just unit test the entire code base, it wont even need documentation.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >AI
      AI can't even code semi-competently in Python

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        python isnt used in production so it doesnt matter
        GPT-4 excels at typescript, a language actually used in production

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >troonyscript, webshit
          Lmao

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            enjoy your code duplication, dogshit performance, and "TypeError: None has no method ..."

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Lmao i can do that with any static language instead of your meme language made for webshit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The kind of programs COBOL is used for, which tend to be big procedural data munching processors, are fricked for any kind of unit testing.
      AI will never be able to unit big COBOL systems because half of the program isn't in actually COBOL, it's state in the mainframe the site is running. To "unit test" COBOL you have to be able to unit test JCL operations which means you basically need Hercules or another disposable mainframe virtual machine.

      it's whitespace syntax done wrong in the worst way possible. not only to you have to insert your own line numbers into the file, different keywords (of which there are hundreds) are sensitive to which column they're placed on. it's honestly an insane frickshow of a language. i looked into learning it briefly because COBOL programmers get paid out the ass, but it's hard to imagine a language that's more fricked than it.

      >i looked into learning it briefly because COBOL programmers get paid out the ass
      I would never take a job where writing COBOL is the main thing in the job description. Layoffs are a matter of when, not if.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        more importantly, the high paying COBOL jobs are for "industry knowledge", not skill with the language. you have to understand why some procedure last touched in the 70s is written the way it is, and take into context the quirks in the actual logic of the code. any rewrite is doomed to fail since many hidden assumptions in a procedure's logic tend to not come out until you've finished rewriting the simplest parts of the system

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    oh no our israeli debt masters will lose all records of debt

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I took COBOL in a Business Computer Programming course. If they really want, they can cross reference students that took the course, track me down after decades and offer me a job. P.S. I used to torture RPG to give me proper results without putting a 'proper' program in.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ok I know nothing about COBOL or what systems they're being used in and I want to ask why none of this can be converted to another language or no one seems to be willing to do it?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Covering about a billion edge cases and special situations and the people who made it are retired or dead. They could convert/rewrite but it would be an enormous cost, and just hiring/training new cobol programmers is pointless because the problem isn't cobol it's domain knowledge.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The requirements are in the code, which means you can't rewrite the system until you understand the original code, and if you can understand the original code then you're better off maintaining it then trying to rewrite it. At least that's what they say in the Clean Code book.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it's whitespace syntax done wrong in the worst way possible. not only to you have to insert your own line numbers into the file, different keywords (of which there are hundreds) are sensitive to which column they're placed on. it's honestly an insane frickshow of a language. i looked into learning it briefly because COBOL programmers get paid out the ass, but it's hard to imagine a language that's more fricked than it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You don’t insert line numbers. You’re talking out your ass.
        Love, 26 years of COBOL development

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >different keywords (of which there are hundreds) are sensitive to which column they're placed on.
        That's not that different than python or yaml shittery.
        I'm assuming you're talking about needing to stay the frick out of columns 1-7. What the frick are you doing, programming in the margin? Just indent 8 spaces an everything is fine.
        It's only the first 12 columns that have semantics.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        cpp is very bad, have a look at templates.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Momentum, and Cobol is Edgecase: the language.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        does rust have packed decimal?

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why was such a demonic language ever invented???

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay. And what's the payment? It's shit, isn't it?

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