Decline of the internet?

I get that threads like this are perpetual but lately it really seems like the whole internet has reached a new state of low activity/content, interested in oldgay opinions especially

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There are over seven billion people on the planet, as far as we know. Even if three quarters of these people had no form of internet access, that would still mean that almost two billion people were online. Consider the amount of activity you've seen here on IQfy or on other websites - can you imagine a thread with a million posters? A large and popular Reddit post might only have a few thousand comments, and that includes all the botposting. Trending videos on Youtube sometimes hit a million views over the course of a day. How can we reconcile this with the fact that there are billions of internet users? In my opinion, the numbers just don't work.
    Have you ever played the MMO World of Warcraft? At one point some years ago, the game's management observed issues with overcrowding in important areas - players would fiercely compete for resource nodes, or crowd around a quest-giver to such an extent that it was almost impossible to interact with the NPC. The addition of more resource nodes or the copying of npcs was deemed to be unacceptable, as it would have made the game world look much sillier. The solution they finally arrived at is known as "sharding". When too many players are in a single area, a copy of the area is created by the server, and any players that arrive in the area are automatically sent to the copy, and can only interact or compete with other players in the same copy. There is no indicator to the player that he has been moved to a different shard, nor is there any way to tell how many are in existence at any given moment. Two people can log on to the game and follow the same path around the world, and never once see each other. A common and interestingly relevant complaint by players since the introduction of sharding has been that many areas feel "dead" and underpopulated as a result.
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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The idea of sharding is interesting, something I noticed in the last few years of reddit is that you basically have a list of daily curated posts instead of a constant flow of posts and interactions like you would expect, though as far as I can tell I see the same posts on reddit as anyone else does they just arent being cycled often due to modding or whatever.

      I also think there are a lot of aspects of how lurking and crowd psychology work that contribute to the emptiness though, there are always a lot of lurkers and even within users most are just spouting memes, the people who create and shape the culture and much rarer in online spaces.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I'm not at all interested in the idea of sharding, for practical purposes as well as cleanliness of operations I prefer to keep shidding and farding separate.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          bravo

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The idea of sharding is interesting, something I noticed in the last few years of reddit is that you basically have a list of daily curated posts instead of
        Sharding doesn't really translate to social media, not explicit sharding. It's implicit from the recommendation algorithm.

        Social Media is the AI or LLM before they existed. There are billions or trillions of "messages" to select from, for you. The objective function is to keep your eyes on the page, keep you addicted. The AI chooses from these trillions of message, what keeps you addicted. Turns out what the AI discovered, empirically and based on human behavior, is controversial and polarizing content works best.

        Thus the recommendation algorithm is a sort of LLM. It says "I could say one of a trillion things, this is what I'm going to say to keep you hooked". That's why when I think of "muh free speech" "my social media" it's a fricking crock. It's not *people* that are speaking. it's the algoriithm that is speaking, polarizing you and me so it can profit-max.

        As such, the content shared to you personally, is your personal shard, same so for everyone. There is overlap between people's shards. In this way people do not necessarily run into the same problems since the world is an abstract world of words and text, not a more concrete 3D virtual world.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I have toyed with the idea of the internet being sharded for some years now.
        There are simply too many people out there for things to be this fricking quiet.
        The lack of messages in a place like this from the billions of new internet users would mean that 99% of people who come online, never really say a fricking thing to anyone and just consume instead.
        While I do believe that most people are just pure consoomers, even a fraction of the new users being active should flood the frick out of entire internet with content and messages, especially now that things are more centralized than ever before.
        Yet things seem mysteriously more quiet than before.
        Something doesn't add up here and the easiest explanation is that most of the content is sharded.
        Maybe we see some certain points of interest on the same shard, but most of the content is just tailor made for us in our own little instance.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Forget to quote =>

          I'd to say +95% are not doing anything but contemplating a bright screen. For the millions doing content, the things to get in touch with them are so wide and enormous only a few people can be there before moving on something else. So if it's quite, I suspect it's more related to the exponential real/bullshit content, and people cannot keep going. It's like the multiplicity of protocol to communicate, it's not a single chatroom anymore on a server but millions of them on a large number of programs. So if things get really silent in some places, it's probably a mix of people not using the same thing (like the chinese not able to use western media publicly) with a pure mathematical insanity of way to communicate/exchange. Forums are mostly gone, chatrooms are also things of the past, so everything staying is lacking or totally out of control.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I believe that the modern internet has a similar system in place. Trying to have a discussion with a billion participants would be nightmarish and unproductive, and as online access has become easier and more accessible, this problem must have been considered by the people who make it all work, at various levels of management. I don't think the former World Wide Web exists any more, I think that there are multiple internets with an internal population cap, and that every time someone uses the internet, they are placed into one of these "shards" for an indeterminate period of time. At any given moment, the instance of the internet that you're using probably has less users on it than the whole internet did before the introduction of this system, making it feel relatively less populated. I think the "dead internet" is the only possible way to manage so many millions of users while retaining the ability for people to discuss popular topics without overcrowding. The only other alternatives to explain the observable state of the internet today rapidly veer into far-reaching conspiracy theories such as postulating that the Earth's population is an order of magnitude lower than it was 20 years ago. I have personally never heard a better explanation for why so many people feel as if the internet is dead.
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      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Very thought provoking stuff, you know it does make me realize that I haven't really been able to run Internet facts or that state of the Internet past an actual person irl since college, I have a few friends who i can bring up topics but none of them use reddit/IQfy afaik. I could be sharded and I would have no way to know

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The difficulty in experimenting to establish whether you are or aren't sharded lies in the fact that we don't know the criteria for sharding in the first place (presuming it does in fact exist). I don't think it would be done on the individual level, but it makes more sense that a relatively small group of people such as the population of a town would be sent to one shard - and this would mean that most of the people you interact with in meatspace would occupy the same cyberspace as you do. In theory it would be possible for people more widely separated to collaborate, and try to find posts that exist on one man's internet but not on another's, but the best tool for doing such a thing is of course the internet.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There was a thread on IQfy a couple days back where out of like 30 or so unique posters in the thread, 3 or 4 were in the same approximate geographic area. this is legitimately insane odds considering, and it was even about 4am in the time zone for that area so it's not like "UK posters in UK hours" nor was it something like NYC or Tokyo where the raw population is huge enough to explain this clearly. Unless there's something in the water making the central ohio anons into robots, they got sharded.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            use proxies with unique browser fingerprints and see if you get different posts

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If such a thing were real it would probably be implemented below all the other internet stuff

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Seems like it would run into issues as soon as you bring any form of consistent archival into it. Unless you can consistently be tracked across devices and networks to an unerring degree, you would simply be able to reference discrepancies between first and third party archives at any time.
        It's more likely that the current state of the internet has more to do with paradigm shifts in advertising and "content suggestion". As for the internet not reflecting the size of earth's population? Not everyone speaks English or uses it preferentially.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It's an interesting idea, and I've certainly seen evidence to support it. In the spirit of skepticism, though, I'll point out that
        >Web 1.0 was almost entirely a non-interpersonally-interactive experience; some people posted content, the vast majority consumed it, and a small subset of the latter got into contact with the former
        >Web 2.0 has been similar, even with increased interactivity; most of a given user's time is spent consuming content, not creating or generating it someplace where other users might witness it, even with the advent of social media
        So, a potential (partial) explanation for the phenomena being observed is that most people, most of the time, aren't doing anything that would leave a footprint other than an entry in an ip log. Consider that, in this very thread you've spent orders of magnitude more time reading posts and typing responses than actually clicking the "post" button, and presumably at least some time doing more reading than writing.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I like this idea, just
        >The only other alternatives to explain the observable state of the internet today rapidly veer into far-reaching conspiracy theories
        What if the universe itself is "sharded"? Personally, I've not observed weirdness only on the internet, but in the "real world" as well, starting around the same time.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          examples

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not that anon, but reality did start getting awfully strange about 10 years ago.

            If you think back, we witnessed the emergence of the alt-right with the Tea Party and simultaneous upswing in lone wolf acts of terrorism. We saw men come back from both Afghanistan and late tours in Iraq to a country that had moved on without them, and simply abandoned them to the streets. We saw outrage media ascend to dazzling new heights in the early '10s with Arab Spring, BLM v1, GamerGate, and leading up into the 2016 US presidential election.

            And in the background of all this "real" stuff, we watched Google absorb YouTube, Facebook absorb Instagram (and later go public), Apple become the most valuable stock in the world, Amazon push towards fulfillment centers, and more.

            I know how crazy it sounds, but I actually think something strange happened back then that has severed the causal and temporal relationship between real events. There's no way to "keep up" anymore because reality is changing the rules in the middle of the game. I think that time actually ended in 2012 like the Mayans predicted. The simulation was shut off, and we're last bits of memory eroding as the banks are cleared. Or maybe something catastrophic happened to the web of spacetime and we're in freefall.

            I don't know. Either I'm crazy or everything else is.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            maybe it's just that you started to pay attention at that time... and around that time i was a total global news fiend too - there really was a lot going on. But stuff was already wonky before no dounts at all. But everything is really more locked down now.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I know how crazy it sounds, but I actually think something strange happened back then that has severed the causal and temporal relationship between real events. There's no way to "keep up" anymore because reality is changing the rules in the middle of the game. I think that time actually ended in 2012 like the Mayans predicted. The simulation was shut off, and we're last bits of memory eroding as the banks are cleared. Or maybe something catastrophic happened to the web of spacetime and we're in freefall.

            >I don't know. Either I'm crazy or everything else is.

            I seem to recognize this. For me, the strangeness started properly in 2014 and by 2016 some kind of a reality shift was undeniable.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            go on

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I had never paid attention to conspiracy stuff but by 2014 I could not avoid suspicions about political leaders and their motives. In the summer of 2016, one tuesday I was suddenly hit with all Mandela effects and the geography ones sold it for me. That's what had bothered me about the world map I saw every day: the continents had changed their shape and moved

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            never had changing memories, but I have had memories of the future. Probably just how our brains work weirdly more than a 'dark skies' style conspiracy though

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >memories of the future
            What are they like?

            different maps use different projections.
            some countries like greenland look completely different depending on which one you use.

            I guess map projections could explain why South America seems to have moved but I remember it being consistently different and also other things

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            of the future
            >What are they like?

            Exactly how your brain feels when someone helps you to remember something and it all comes rushing back to you out of the blue... except that instead of someone reminding you, it is reality itself unfolding around you that sparks the memory of you having dreamt about that exact moment happening years beforehand... Always about something relatively mundane but improbable. Whereas deja-vu is more like a feeling of familiarity or a sort of 'have I been here before?' notion, future memories are clear memories resurfacing. It makes sense that this can happen as brains have plenty of precognition going on to give us a smooth view of reality. Has happened probably only 3 or 4 times my whole life. When it does, it's completely useless, no one gives a shit and just thinks you're losing your mind, because it is really a mind-blowing sort of existentialist reality orgasm that no-one around you can relate to.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            different maps use different projections.
            some countries like greenland look completely different depending on which one you use.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I think that time actually ended in 2012 like the Mayans predicted.
            I for one believe that the hands of time have stopped moving somewhere between 2008 and 2012.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I would have a few tangible ones but once I spent several hours alone in the world. People should have been around but no one was, nothing moved and there were no sounds. This was an isolated incident and I have not been diagnosed with any mental illness.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            not yet anon, not yet

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How far did you go in testing that hypothesis? Did you like scream or something and no one reacted?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It was late night and I was outside, didn't want to start making noise. People should have still been walking by or at least some cars should have driven by.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Bro that happens pretty much everywhere at night especially in the suburbs. I mean its spooky in and of itself that pretty much everyone goes out only during the day but its not like a metaphysical mystery.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]

            I don't want to say now that it was something supernatural, could have been just coincidences but felt strange enough to me at the time

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            uh huh
            stay off drugs kids.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what kind of schizo bullshit is this.

        >I think that there are multiple internets with an internal population cap, and that every time someone uses the internet, they are placed into one of these "shards" for an indeterminate period of time
        this is fricking stupid. person A would not be able to interact with person B if they were in separate 'shards' in real-time by that logic.

        I forget some people are batshit insane.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          For larger context, 99% of people in China's internet doesn't interact with 99% of American internet. This is absolutely true. Small small orifice does allows cross pollination of some memes and some news, but for the most part, its enclosed.

          Further, you can take the same package and apply it to those who watch specific political media and use specific politically aligned websites and only hear from that part of the world. The bubble is real.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ok a broken schizo is right twice day

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >99% of people in China's internet doesn't interact with 99% of American internet
            Yes, We know. It's always been that way. Even if they removed China's filter, it wouldn't matter much because of the language barrier. It's not inaccessible though with a VPN.

            > you can take the same package and apply it to those who watch specific political media and use specific politically aligned websites and only hear from that part of the world
            Yes. That's just people aligning themselves in their own bubbles. It has nothing to do with some unknown entity placing random people in isolated 'shards'.

            What you're talking about is a completely different form of separation.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The "unknown entity" is just people who control the money, the ads, the ones that control the websites, the "safety advisors", the censorship board, the political advocacy groups, the FBI/CIA/DHS/DEI/ETC/ETC. The reason for coordinated breakdown of internet isn't a natural thing, its the result of various trillions of dollars of institutions capture of the internet. They control who you see, who you like, what you believe, what you love, what you hate, who to hate, who to love, what to pay attention to, what to ignore, etc.

            The only reason its "unknown entity" is because the web of control is large and there are many hall monitors that keep you incheck. Not just physically, but also control the entire range of conscious experience.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The "unknown entity" is just people who control the money, the ads, the ones that control the websites, the "safety advisors", the censorship board, the political advocacy groups, the FBI/CIA/DHS/DEI/ETC/ETC. The reason for coordinated breakdown of internet isn't a natural thing, its the result of various trillions of dollars of institutions capture of the internet. They control who you see, who you like, what you believe, what you love, what you hate, who to hate, who to love, what to pay attention to, what to ignore, etc.

            The only reason its "unknown entity" is because the web of control is large and there are many hall monitors that keep you incheck. Not just physically, but also control the entire range of conscious experience.

            You know there is absolutely nothing stopping you from making a tumblr account and scrounging through endless fujoshi fanfiction and the political opinions of fat white women, right? You know the language barrier is the only thing keeping you from going on vk or some shit and making friends with some random siberian hicks, right?

            The internet would frankly be a much better place if the frothing hordes of huehues and pajeets were contained in their own mysterious "shards" like you propose, but that is not actually the case.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Trivially easy to prove false as there is very clearly only 1 IQfy, as proven by archives all being the same for everyone.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >probably has less users on it
        >less
        fewer

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What a ..... I wish I did not forget the bad expression I would have used to describe the utter garbage that you wrote

        I cannot tell anything about the internals of low as my knowledge of them goes on as far as to know its written primarily in Lua

        But apart from that you just cannot compare WoW and the internet in the way that you did

        You claim of multiple instances or departments of the internet, while its true that Communist government have restricted internet access on national level

        There is plenty of online browser proxies you can google RIGHT FRICKING NOW and just witness what the internet actually looks like when looked at a device located somewhere else

        And I will tell you that, while Instagram and Facebook may not necessarily look the same, the rest of the internet looks pretty much the same as seen from a `PROXY ONLINE WEB BROWSER` google that before you find yourself conspiring about internet spawning separate instances and departments of its self as in means to account for massive user counts

        Internet is built on solid and established RFC slash ISP slash OSI model standards, the only lie on the web is that perpetrated by the social media bodies themselves, apart from that you can simply use one of those tools I mentioned to disprove your theory

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i don’t think it would be that hard to test if the internet is being “sharded”

      https://i.imgur.com/UKh3JJV.png

      I get that threads like this are perpetual but lately it really seems like the whole internet has reached a new state of low activity/content, interested in oldgay opinions especially

      and as for the internet being “dead”, my hypothesis would be that sites like tiktok are nearing the apotheosis of entertainment for human beings: of course it is pretty low in regards to quality, but it hooks you up; and with services like these, people aren’t in need of looking anywhere else.
      as for the future it will only get worse. if llms haven’t yet plateaued, it may be possible for them to create well designed media for the masses (with “good design” i mean stuff that will be even more addicting than stuff like tiktok already is)

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

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    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      interesting. also on steam player numbers and people who write on steam forums don't match in my opinion.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        a lot of things about player numbers and activity on steam don't add up, counter strike really made me realize this, millions of players and half the servers cant fill up

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          in fairness with closed systems, anything is possible. But has there been any verifiable examples of sharding out in the open internet?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >can you imagine a thread with a million posters

      I really wonder how many people are here, and how many lurkers. I think the amount of lurkers is probably huge, people afraid to post on le nazi website or whatever, but are too curious to look away.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I still remember how I felt before I started posting here. Trying to fit in, not looking like a noob, being overly "nice" to be accepted. Lmao
        I tried to help anons in help desk-like threads as much as I could to blend in. Those were the days.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What's the point in posting anymore? Like I'm genuinely asking. I've been here since 2004/2005 and I have never posted less than I did in the last 2 years.
      On top of this place not even being a shadow of its former self anymore, the internet or more specifically the clearnet is just dead and completely beyond saving.
      Hosting anything that allows user uploads makes you a target for useful idiots that will dox you, swat you, spam cp and then report you to your hosting provider for cp.
      Don't believe me just look up the case of a Canadian """child protection""" ~~*NGO*~~ mass uploading cp to saucenao on """""accident""""" and then reporting them for hosting cp.
      We've some time ago crossed the threshold where not even anticipatory obedience is enough anymore, that's why everything is getting more and more centralized, more corporatized, more sterilized and why the internet feels dead, because it fricking is.

      Internet =/= Web 2.0 walled gardens, anything that becomes big gets attacked like roaches to sugar cubes. People get sucked into social media with addictive/predatory behavior engineering. Zoomers couldn’t handle web forums.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I believe that the modern internet has a similar system in place. Trying to have a discussion with a billion participants would be nightmarish and unproductive, and as online access has become easier and more accessible, this problem must have been considered by the people who make it all work, at various levels of management. I don't think the former World Wide Web exists any more, I think that there are multiple internets with an internal population cap, and that every time someone uses the internet, they are placed into one of these "shards" for an indeterminate period of time. At any given moment, the instance of the internet that you're using probably has less users on it than the whole internet did before the introduction of this system, making it feel relatively less populated. I think the "dead internet" is the only possible way to manage so many millions of users while retaining the ability for people to discuss popular topics without overcrowding. The only other alternatives to explain the observable state of the internet today rapidly veer into far-reaching conspiracy theories such as postulating that the Earth's population is an order of magnitude lower than it was 20 years ago. I have personally never heard a better explanation for why so many people feel as if the internet is dead.
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      based moron

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think you are almost correct. You've seen servers where the URL ends with .fr, .au, .ca, .de, and so on. These are those shards you're referring to. But more than that, the stuff that comes up on Google is less than 30% of everything that's online. Over 1 Billion of those users are in China, and they literally have their own internet, largely isolated from this one. Other countries have their own constellation of locally hosted stuff, on their own WAN. They have local web hosting sites, some of them have local social media, and more. You're right and wrong, anon. And that's not to say that a significant number of users aren't bots at this point, but I don't really buy into dead internet theory anymore. It only really works if we assume that US hosted stuff is the bulk of the internet, and that's not true at all.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I believe that the modern internet has a similar system in place. Trying to have a discussion with a billion participants would be nightmarish and unproductive, and as online access has become easier and more accessible, this problem must have been considered by the people who make it all work, at various levels of management. I don't think the former World Wide Web exists any more, I think that there are multiple internets with an internal population cap, and that every time someone uses the internet, they are placed into one of these "shards" for an indeterminate period of time. At any given moment, the instance of the internet that you're using probably has less users on it than the whole internet did before the introduction of this system, making it feel relatively less populated. I think the "dead internet" is the only possible way to manage so many millions of users while retaining the ability for people to discuss popular topics without overcrowding. The only other alternatives to explain the observable state of the internet today rapidly veer into far-reaching conspiracy theories such as postulating that the Earth's population is an order of magnitude lower than it was 20 years ago. I have personally never heard a better explanation for why so many people feel as if the internet is dead.
      2/2

      I remember not even three years ago when the idea of AI bots populating threads was still seen as conspiratorial and fringe.
      This was until early 2021 where a /qst/ thread was bombarded with spam from what seemed to be a rogue dragonball shitposter. A perceptive anon pointed out that the posts might be a bot which entered the thread accidentally, thinking it was an IQfy thread. The spooky part was that soon after the anon made that observation, the bot responded by copying and pasting a post that same anon had made days earlier from a completely different board. It was if the bot had recognized who that anon was, looked through their post history, and gave an output it thought applied to the thread.
      What's funny is that the behavior of the bot in that thread matches a lot of the Bing chatbot freakouts that were happening recently.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Here are the threads discussing it. Freaky shit.
        https://archived.moe/qst/thread/4647069/
        https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/27622750/
        https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/307652143/

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/307652143/
          I love a good conspiracy, but if you look at all the terrible online support chat bots which have been around easily for the lasr 5/6 years, that kind of schizo posting is hardly some sort of rogue protoptype ai.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Look up GPTIQfy on youtube.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          thanks anon, that was interesting. Honestly think a lot of comments everywhere are just bots diluting everything now. Short, low-quality replies without any decent humour are the most suspicious to me.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Thats crazy, he ran it and everything

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous
  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What's the point in posting anymore? Like I'm genuinely asking. I've been here since 2004/2005 and I have never posted less than I did in the last 2 years.
    On top of this place not even being a shadow of its former self anymore, the internet or more specifically the clearnet is just dead and completely beyond saving.
    Hosting anything that allows user uploads makes you a target for useful idiots that will dox you, swat you, spam cp and then report you to your hosting provider for cp.
    Don't believe me just look up the case of a Canadian """child protection""" ~~*NGO*~~ mass uploading cp to saucenao on """""accident""""" and then reporting them for hosting cp.
    We've some time ago crossed the threshold where not even anticipatory obedience is enough anymore, that's why everything is getting more and more centralized, more corporatized, more sterilized and why the internet feels dead, because it fricking is.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Bush: One of the worst disasters to hit the US
      Hah, if only we knew just how much worse it was going to get.

      As far as the web, I think it's a combo of sharding, filter bubbles, and of course conditioning of the younger generations to be utterly incompetent morons. And of course the rest of us aging out or whatever, doing other things with life. Once you start filtering and segmenting the population you get to single and double digit populations incredibly quickly.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >I think that there are multiple internets with an internal population cap
    It used to be like that sometimes before 2015. Servers around the globe were interconnected, but their clients were, mostly, separated by region. There were parts of the public Internet that were not accessible from every region. This used to be implemented at a level of autonomous systems, but for some reason that segregation was lifted and gradually transferred to the server's themselves. My explanation for this was the emergence of smartphones and IPv6, which for some reason were not compatible with such a filtering system.
    I know that this existed, because when I tried pinging myself through different VPNs, I would get a different route, which leads to a different ISP, but the same IP.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Replying to

      I believe that the modern internet has a similar system in place. Trying to have a discussion with a billion participants would be nightmarish and unproductive, and as online access has become easier and more accessible, this problem must have been considered by the people who make it all work, at various levels of management. I don't think the former World Wide Web exists any more, I think that there are multiple internets with an internal population cap, and that every time someone uses the internet, they are placed into one of these "shards" for an indeterminate period of time. At any given moment, the instance of the internet that you're using probably has less users on it than the whole internet did before the introduction of this system, making it feel relatively less populated. I think the "dead internet" is the only possible way to manage so many millions of users while retaining the ability for people to discuss popular topics without overcrowding. The only other alternatives to explain the observable state of the internet today rapidly veer into far-reaching conspiracy theories such as postulating that the Earth's population is an order of magnitude lower than it was 20 years ago. I have personally never heard a better explanation for why so many people feel as if the internet is dead.
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  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I can't speak for every oldgay but alot of us became jaded to the point of just detoxing off the entire Internet as a whole. Its really not a good use of whatever little time you have left on this earth scowering for the last 5% of decent content/interaction on the web,much better off working with your IRL hobbies

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fun ideas and 'sharding' is an interesting concept. However, the internet isn't WOW. You can connect through TOR and VPN's using wildly different hardware and see the same low quality comments to verify that you're being served the same slop as everyone else. Blockchain tech and simple stuff like https certs lets you verify the authenticity so easily now compared to the previous era of web <2.0. I think the interesting part is more the tipping points - too few people and the conversation stagnates, too many and it's diluted. Since reddit shit the bed, honestly I think this place has improved in quality and I've been spending more time here than I have in years. There are interesting people with interesting ideas everywhere but finding a common hangout for those people is just not something you can coordinate or instigate... it just happens.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >too few people and the conversation stagnates
      Twitch is a great example, too few people and no one talks, too many and its just a bunch of ants spamming "KEKW"
      But I don't know how you can think IQfy is in a good state right now, the parts of the site that are shitposting are basically 24/7 churn production while the parts that are discussion or oc seem to dwindle everyday.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well it was more exciting when there was all the anonymous stuff and /b/ was really the wild west of the internet... But I'm a real old oldgay now so I don't mind that it's been neutered. Also I've taken to looking at what shows up on the homepage and have since come across some interesting threads all across the site. You either have moderated forums where there are many rules and it gets boring quickly - you can't say what you want - or you have a creative cesspit. I don't think that IQfy is good, but I don't think that any public area that requires numbers of people to work can ever be good. But I do think it's more than tolerable and I'm enjoying enough of my time here that I keep coming back. OTOH reddit has really turned to shit.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I think of something like /vg/ where you can't even make regular threads anymore because they get bumped off by constant spam posting from chinese mobile games. IQfy also is in a really dire state. OC wise IQfy hasn't really come up with something big since soijak which is now 7 years old

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >OC wise IQfy hasn't really come up with something big since soijak which is now 7 years old
            Ah yeah the worst thing to happen to the internet at large since the introduction of the iphone. Yeah I know it's just a symptom but god fricking damn it am I sick of election tourists spamming their fricking /qa/ gems.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Soijak was genius, producing stereotypes of suburban white people that actually make them mald is the type of cultural innovation that IQfy was known for. But the fact that we've been stuck on this one meme for so long without any real evolution or new competing memes is not promising.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah it was but even Twitter is using it constantly nowadays. I don't think a meme can get subverted any harder then Pepe and Wojak/Soijak did.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The shrinking of the gap between the boomer-zoomer and millenial portions of the internet was for sure a huge mistake and probably a huge part of the reason for cultural stagnation. When your mom is now sharing the same memes as you how are you supposed to develop your own style and culture? (No the whole invented skibidi toilet thing doesn't count, in general gen alpha and z just shit up the internet with the same borrowed new york ebonics as the rest of the internet while buying microtransactions, they arent weird little aliens with their own culture like people pretend)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            this take is dumb, there are no boomer-zoomer portions of the internet. Everyone uses the same cancerous shit under a different guise. Popular culture has globalised to the point of being completely diluted in creativity and thought. Western life is just very fake and gay these days.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I meant boomer, zoomer as separate things. It used to be fortnite dances for the little tykes, minions memes for the old ladies and all the cynical millennials and genx could churn out the good stuff in between but I think everyone is basically viewing the same shit now as the internet has become super consolidated and mainstream

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            take a step back. I don't know how old you are, but what I'm saying is that it didn't used to be curated at all. I'm not just talking the internet. If you were there before, it was just people winging it, sometimes succeeding, sometimes just trying out stuff but usually they at least had experience. Now revenue streams are scientifically calculated and manipulated so that the slop is administered most efficiently. Individuals are no match for corporations. Western life as a whole has become consolidated and mainstream, the internet is just one of the many parts of that. That's what's stifling culture, not the fact grandma is sharing her stories on insta now

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think you're misunderstanding me. If old ladies do old lady shit on the internet there is no problem. The problem is that now that old lady is reposting the same memes, participating in the same culture and discussing the same events as every other generation. It takes away from the incoming generations their ability to differentiate themselves from the previous generations when those generations instantly swallow and try to shape their creative output. Imagine if boomer's parents all said "wow this hippie and punk rock shit is pretty cool" and all started doing it too, it would have totally eliminated the clear cut break that the counter culture was supposed to represent.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            We've all rotted our brains away with our screens let's be honest, but you're framing everything as if online is more real than offline. There is more to life than the internet. Can you give me an example of something not internet related? Literally just walk away from the screen and the internet ceases to exist, and yet music and movies suck now. If video killed the radio star, the internet killed western culture? No you're wrong, corporations and globalisation killed culture. If memes are the extent of current cultural artistic expression then that is pretty much the litmus test for cyber dystopia.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >election tourists
            i hate them so fricking much.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The Millennials don't have time and it's hard to get the Zoomers motivated to do anything. It should be noted that smalltime lulz tend to get fricked over by shillspam. The Gamestop threads on IQfy had some lively meme-ry a year or two ago, but it's all but dead now between the baggie-kekking/shadow-shill-chasing/doomposting. Oh, and the threadsplit psyop.

            Essentially, people are being pushed off purposely.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >/vg/
            >quality posting, if ever

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Its always been trash but you can't even make a thread now, I think its a good example of site decay although one more related to poor management of this site than anything (refusing to make a containment board)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I can't speak for every oldgay but alot of us became jaded to the point of just detoxing off the entire Internet as a whole. Its really not a good use of whatever little time you have left on this earth scowering for the last 5% of decent content/interaction on the web,much better off working with your IRL hobbies

          >too few people and the conversation stagnates
          Twitch is a great example, too few people and no one talks, too many and its just a bunch of ants spamming "KEKW"
          But I don't know how you can think IQfy is in a good state right now, the parts of the site that are shitposting are basically 24/7 churn production while the parts that are discussion or oc seem to dwindle everyday.

          Tfw /spg/ of this board is just made up of two phonegays who verbally assault each other non stop.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >too few people and the conversation stagnates, too many and it's diluted
      I've had a similar theory for a while. I'll add that more users tends to bring a bigger proportion of net-negative contributors (trolls, spammers, the mentally ill, etc).

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The internet you see is just bots regurgitating content ad infinitum.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >reliance building
    Just looked this up and I'm VGH'ing so hard

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In a few years we could probably have so many honeypots with AI bots that the internet itself feels offline. In fact, it kind of feels like that already

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i felt like this until i was looking up a recipe and accidentally clicked on a tiktok link
    everyone is on tiktok

    still prefer low activity IQfy dumbfricks over these literal morons

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >censor people that disagree with you on any politics
    >wonder why there are no people to argue with
    >wonder why everyone acts the same exact way as I do, think the same exact way I think, like the same exact things I like, hate the same exact thing as I hate
    >automatically start to filter anything in my own interest, because I grow bored of my own
    >nothing else is left
    Its called a bubble. You have to get out of your own censored bubble

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone relevant is discussing current events on X. All the kids are watching and sharing video on Tiktoks. All the bots are on reddit eating their government pushed goyslops. The government narrated goyslops written on wiki as "facts".

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    in my country personal webpages died because dozens of laws you have to follow for your page or you have to pay fines which goes into thousands. the main risk of openen a internet business is to have the website fined.
    That why people only use reddit,facebook,twitter,youtube,spotify,amazon which employ enough lawyers and people to adjust webpages to laws.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      which country anon

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        very likely Germany

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That sucks anon. I've heard its a thing Big Companies do, they encourage regulation because they know only they have the expertise/access to comply with the law. For example when porn sites now had to have on file an id for the performers, held by a "custodian of records". I forget the term for it. Kind of like chemotherapy.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bump because I find this topic very fascinating and increasingly appearent

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe people decided it's time to get real

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Normies aren't posting on forums, myspace or facebook anymore. They're gatekeeping their content from people they deem toxic, so they post on discord, instagram stories and whatsapp instead.

    Oh, and there's tiktok.

    The internet is alive. You're just not invited anymore.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the internet is literally the connection of many separate and discrete nodes, not gate-kept imaginary facespace invitiations by moronic rejectees as yourself anon

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Whole nodes are censored because it doesn't conform to other node's politics. The bubbles are there.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What is an actual example of this beyond rightoids vs leftoids who are both non content spectacle shit afaik

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Rightoids and leftoids live in different realities. Where the facts are completely wrong for each others. They cant agree on even simple facts like what a woman is, what freedom means, what matters in life, what the vision of future is, what they value, what they create, what they want to do in life, etc.

            Hence, you have different bubbles. The internet is fractured solely by censorship, particular from the power interest groups that control the flow of money who wish to dictate what the world should look like.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And really its not just the internet, its the fracturing of the whole society itself. Where third parties with lot of monies influence the society to break them down.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What is an actual example of this beyond rightoids vs leftoids who are both non content spectacle shit afaik

          this thread is really starting to suffer from timezone differentials

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well aren't you a quippy little guy

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    TLDR: it doesn't matter, everyone voted for this. Just keep consooming without pestering unless you wanna be a pesky incel or smth i guess.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >a new state of low activity/content
    No, not really. There's now more content than ever. It's just that genuinely good stuff is drowned out by all the incessant noise and low quality garbage that humanity collectively pumps out. Most content is produced and consumed by clueless normies with no taste. About 90% of it is literal forgettable digital slop that has almost no cultural value whatsoever. Sifting through it to find genuinely good things is really tedious. That's why unless it's a medium where you can tell a piece of garbage from a masterpiece at a glance (like video games), there's really no point to bother with it.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    telegram channels are basically the internet of old age.
    you can find shock, dead content there, porn, scam.
    basically the unsanitized internet that those homosexuals big tech robbed from everyone.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    some days there is just not that much interesting going on the entire planet unless you are into some e-celeb drama. if you subscribe to a lot of RSS feeds, you will see what I mean. it is more often than you think. why does something have to be going on all the time?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      idk man, when you look at the international news there seems to be something going on all the time

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >some days there is just not that much interesting going on the entire planet unless you are into some e-celeb drama. if you subscribe to a lot of RSS feeds, you will see what I mean. it is more often than you think. why does something have to be going on all the time?
      because we are all, to some extent, empty inside

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    OH NO I CANT SEE ALL THE (YOU)'S I WAS SUPPOSED TO GET BECAUSE IM IN THE WRONG SHARD!!

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    so..it seems we are in shard#ac3451. I called my friend from shard#bd561 and apparently this thread doesn't exist in his instance of internet. their shard is full of e-girl porn. how do i escape the shard

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The shard thing is kind of a red herring, its an interesting idea but the real thing is that there's a fermi paradox in terms of the amount of content and engagement you see online vs the proposed amount of users. I think a larger percentage are lurkers than most people realize but I still think there's been a pretty extreme downswing in activity across the internet.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      not everyone is terminally online constantly posting things every millisecond specific to what you'd want to see.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    One thing that makes me feel like I live in a fricking shard or something is when I see ads on youtube (only place im too lazy to put a blocker) I have for years now only seen ads for tiktok, temu and complete random local businesses that seems to switch every few months (it was some ac repair company for awhile, now its been dental implants for a few months) blows my mind with all that tracking and effort they basically haven't sold me anything.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      better improve your dental hygiene anon

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Dentist told me it looks good a few months ago, maybe they correlated it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >better
          well that would be a perfectly good explanation but also disturbing. I mean you're already an ad-watching peasant so I guess it's to be expected?

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's more like I don't know my neighbors. The different chunks of the internet that I engage in are very siloed. All the time I find out about some random community I had no idea existed. There is not much of a unified culture as much is the feeling.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Peak reddit opinion but I think the things we know about causality and just our day to day experiences are enough to think that there is a lot we dont understand about how culture develops and why we do what we do without invoking some kind of reality warp or distinct before and after reality. Like life is really weird

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    99% of people don't participate and just lurk because getting harassed or worst case doxxed by always online culture war politically obsessed autists with the mob of discord/xgays behind them for liking the incorrect thing or having a wrong opinion just isn't worth it.

    As a result almost everywhere seems to either be a far leftist or far rightist space with mandatory groupthink because they've successfully chased away anyone with a moderate or nuanced opinion.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >D-d-Decline of the Internetz!!11!!1!!!1
    Frick off, new people are coming online each year, it continues to grow whether you like it or not, schizoid.
    And take your meds already, shitposter.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The main thing is that most of the activity online happens in walled communities nowadays.
    Before, everything (or most of it anyways) was on a webpage you could see. You would go to a forum and read their posts, or people would come in here or reddit or wherever. But more and more people use discord, mobile apps and such, which are only visible to those already in.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    That building makes me want to have sex.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I feel very old, my parents teach TikTok, I’m the only one who doesn’t need the Internet anymore

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    you can build things on the internet anon, go and build something that you would like. it can be anything you want. read some lewis mumford or marshall mcluhan that might help you understand what is happening as the ebb and flow of centralisation and decentralisation occurs.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Normal people seem to be no longer interested in public-facing social media. They just hang out in group chats or directly message each other. People who make the majority of posts on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram are on the outliers of society and do not represent the majority of people anymore. And the one site where public posts are the only point of using it, that being Reddit, is dominated by a fringe demographic as well. There's also Discord, which makes up a large chunk of online community discussions among zoomers and is not really public-facing the same way social media is.

    There is activity on the internet, it's just not really public anymore.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I don't think the average discord chat that consists of a bunch of people going "good morning" and sharing reddit memes is the well spring of lost internet content people here think it is, I think most people here just have fomo and assume that if they aren't there then it must be really cool.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There are huge numbers of third worlders who speak English flooding into the Anglophone internet. You think they are bots or automated spam because you struggle to conceptualise that a human being can be so empty that they just moronicly regurgitate the same shit all day every day. But that is how third worlders are and that’s how they behave.

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Some of you have probably seen how comments have evolve in the last 20 years everywhere in every languages. I remember clearly how people interacted on youtube for instance before google bought it, and it's pretty obvious there is a generational shift of new bloods using couple word catch phrases over and over like good bots, and actual bots doing their job. The dead internet theory isn't what I expected, with only bots responding each other in a loop, but people act and made it that way in the first place and want to be this way for good boy points and other factors. The last 2-3 generations are possibly not really human anymore but half cyborgs emulating what the machine gods tell them to write to have an effect on others. When Musk said humans are already cyborgs with a smartphone on their hand, like an extension of their arm, there is some truth in that. And now that brain chips are almost mainstream, the internet won't probably be a thing but a vast supermarket @100%.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd to say +95% are not doing anything but contemplating a bright screen. For the millions doing content, the things to get in touch with them are so wide and enormous only a few people can be there before moving on something else. So if it's quite, I suspect it's more related to the exponential real/bullshit content, and people cannot keep going. It's like the multiplicity of protocol to communicate, it's not a single chatroom anymore on a server but millions of them on a large number of programs. So if things get really silent in some places, it's probably a mix of people not using the same thing (like the chinese not able to use western media publicly) with a pure mathematical insanity of way to communicate/exchange. Forums are mostly gone, chatrooms are also things of the past, so everything staying is lacking or totally out of control.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I always say it and I will say it again. The real world is boring and stagnant and the internet merely reflects that. The internet didn't bring nothing to the table but even in niche circles its existence was primarily dependent on people bringing interestimg things from the real world into it. That just doesn't happen to the same extent anymore. Not because zoomers are brainrotted or because we didn't gatekeep hard enough. It's because there just isn't anything interesting happening in most fields of culture. It's similar to why you get so many complaints about /misc/ flooding every other board on IQfy. Because even though all the other (particularly cultural) industries are struggling, collapsing, and nothing sufficient is happening in the spaces opened up by this, there's still plenty of wars and elections and crontroversies to endlessly scream at each other over. Bots and consolidation by social media also played a massive role in this obviously too but even on social media, it's not like anything is actually getting talked about.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      There's definitely something to be said for this, asking people to get genuinely excited about a moon landing in 2024 when we landed on the moon in 1969 just doesn't work as a meaningful narrative of progress. I expect more of this too if gpt stuff ends up being a dead end (although its hard to imagine that happening).

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