>DFW ripped off Mcelroy and Pynchon with a little bit of Don Delilo thrown in the mix

>DFW ripped off Mcelroy and Pynchon with a little bit of Don Delilo thrown in the mix
>All the semi decent horror authors heavily ripped off Lovecraft to some degree
>Murakami ripped off Kobo Abe
>All the post modernists ripped off Joyce
>Just about everyone trying to write surrealist fiction rips off Kafka
>Everybody rips off the Greeks like Illiad and The Odyssey and other ancients using them as a templates

Is all literature and writing just ripping off your predecessor while trying to one up them until your own style has developed enough

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, somewhat. The great/disturbing truth about great literature, philosophy, theology, art, etc., is indeed that it often comes about by the covert or overt cannibalism of other great works.

    To be “original” in literature is one part actually being original, perhaps another part is being so well-read and having such a vast, eclectic, unique taste in literature that all one’s sources are synthesized into something relatively “unique” due to all the multitudinous influences it’s amalgamated into itself. Which is often why the greatest writers are the greatest readers, very voracious readers and erudite. Perhaps another element of it is wanting to “compete with” and “outdo” one’s predecessors (the anxiety of influence, a sort of Oedipal struggle in which one simultaneously is indebted to one’s predecessors and the literary greats, while also wanting to distinguish oneself from them).

    This way you put it, with the sad Pepe, and the shallow reduction of it all to just “everyone ripping everyone off”, downplays some of the wonder in the whole process, the great dialectical movement(s) of the arts, literature, and philosophy, or the so-called Great Conversation, spanning millennia, of the Western Canon.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I see myself as not having any innate creative quality, only as reflecting the art I engage with and mimicking it, but maybe that's in large part what creativity is.
      My creative juices don't flow unless I'm reading a lot of the things I want to write (in terms of format). Maybe that's how it is for almost everybody.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Creativity is taking your influences and putting yourself into it. As long as your work feels distinct and true to yourself and your emotions, you have created a new work.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Jean Cocteau rightfully said that each work of the western canon came about as a contradiction of something which preceded it.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing new under the sun, IDIOT.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You literally have never read McElroy
    >surrealist fiction
    >ripping off kafka
    God you’re a moron

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Read the plot of Lookout Cartridge and tell me it isn't reminisce of Infinite Jest

      Read Borges' essay on the impossibility of originality.

      What is it called when something original appears and imitators rip it off to the point of almost surpassing the original
      but the original work is still seen as influential and highly regarded piece but then you go and read the original and it's just not that great because things after it have handled some of what it did better. I know this has a proper name and it's been bugging me all week

      Will look into the Borges essay

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        ESL.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, influences exist and have always existed in every art form

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All literature is by nature derivative. Books are made of books, as McCarthy famously said. Even Homer was harkening back to stories of old. Even the oldest written story we know, the Epic of Gilgamesh, references older story. The artistry comes in how you structure things. How you repurpose and reinterpret your inspirations. How you build on the tradition and the archetypes and add your voice to the greater song of human consciousness. Blubbering on about this speaks to your own immaturity and inexperience.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Read Borges' essay on the impossibility of originality.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Unironically read Deleuze

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What does he have to say about this? I’ll read it based on your response

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Deleuze puts a large focus on creativity and the production of novelty

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Books are made of books.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Uep5GbN.png

      All literature is by nature derivative. Books are made of books, as McCarthy famously said. Even Homer was harkening back to stories of old. Even the oldest written story we know, the Epic of Gilgamesh, references older story. The artistry comes in how you structure things. How you repurpose and reinterpret your inspirations. How you build on the tradition and the archetypes and add your voice to the greater song of human consciousness. Blubbering on about this speaks to your own immaturity and inexperience.

      *Books are made out of books.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "The Anxiety of Influence" is a concept developed by literary critic Harold Bloom in his 1973 book of the same name. The central idea is that poets, writers, and artists feel a sense of anxiety or unease in relation to the works of their predecessors. According to Bloom, new creators are influenced by earlier masterpieces, and they grapple with a fear of being overshadowed or derivative. This anxiety drives them to establish their own voice and identity, often through a process Bloom calls "poetic misprision" – a creative reinterpretation and transformation of existing literary works. In essence, the concept explores the complex relationship between artistic innovation and the influence of past literary achievements.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thanks for copy/pasting.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It explains this entire thread. Also it was GPT-3.5.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Again, thanks for copy/pasting.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >he doesn't have GPT type directly into the field.
            ohohoho!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What's all this nonsense about artistic influenza and who really believes this shit was invented in the 1970s?

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >>DFW ripped off Mcelroy and Pynchon with a little bit of Don Delilo thrown in the mix
    Slop.
    >>All the semi decent horror authors heavily ripped off Lovecraft to some degree
    What semi decent horror authors?
    ripped off Kobo Abe
    Yes.
    >>All the post modernists ripped off Joyce
    Slop.
    >>Just about everyone trying to write surrealist fiction rips off Kafka
    Dead genre.
    rips off the Greeks like Illiad and The Odyssey and other ancients using them as a templates
    Yes.

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