Did Qing China have the potential to become a superpower?

Did Qing China have the potential to become a superpower?

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, but modern China does

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    soul borders

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Manchus will never let Hans in charge of their government, let that sink in.

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was one for its first 150 years

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

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    True. Too bad Qing had talented Han generals like Zeng Guofan and Zuo Zongtang on their side to extend their rule by another 80 years.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    they shot themselves in the food the moment they impossed the laws they did on the han chinese and banned any further development of weapons and mechanisms outside of their strict permission and control

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nope.jpg.

      The Qing Military system ran on the 8 Banner System, which was set up to ensure that a massive professional standing army was always at the beck & call of the Qing Rulers, completely only loyal to them, and were economically supported by the state itself so they did not need to farm/do business/do anything but practice war. To ensure this, Bannermen families were given plots of land & and a government stipend commensurate to their fathers' ranks and even though it the military was a meritocracy, ranks were heritable and can be passed down to father and son. The life of the Bannerman was pretty much just all about fighting wars & training for wars.

      However, the biggest problem of the Banner System was that it produced a stagnant hereditary military class. Stipends and land grants were fixed on your ranks, so during times of peace, officer families are wallowing in luxury too much to study war while poor bannermen were too busy working/making a living to augment shitty salaries to train for warfare. Since ranks were inheritable, sons of officers families aren't too motivated to innovate what already works since what's the point? Existing practices were good enough for local threats/opponents, and you won't get promoted that way anyway.

      The banner system gave the Qing a huge, loyal, professional army of 600,000 strong, but one that was not motivated to innovate or improve its performance. So when a real threat did come to Qing China in the 1800s, not only did the Qing Banner Armies perform so badly, but the Chinese militias that rose up to defend their homes & people from European colonizers quickly realized that they were the most potent local military forces in China, which ledto mass rebellion among angry peasants & warlordism among militia commanders.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I mean the Banner system was showing its age before the Qing dynasty was even done with the Ming, but it was so vitally important for enforcing Manchu authority that you couldn't just drop it. What could even be done to salvage the situation, some kind of newly inherited bannermen testing to add a hint of meritocracy to the whole situation? Inter-banner competitions?

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    It was too backwards and the leadership didn’t really wish to change that. It also couldn’t really compete with modern industrial countries, though its economy was very large.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Classic case of a big economy bur very inefficient. Like the ussr or present day india and mexico.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Those borders were certainly more ideal, but other than that, Qing China has no advantages over modern China. China is already a superpower and a global power, but I always hesitate to call it a global superpower. They don’t have the Navy, Air Force, of quite frankly even Army to project their influence to the extent a superpower could. Perhaps if China ever gets over its curse of lack of naval development, it could be a global superpower, but as of right now it is genuinely questionable if they could take Taiwan in a full-scale war (assuming American assistance) and that simply should not be the case. The only thing that would deter a global superpower China from invading Taiwan is costs to its economy and reputation, not the fact that they could fail miserably to the point that there is mass disappointment/unrest amongst the population in a similar fashion to the attitude of Argentine civilians after the military junta lost the war for the Falklands. China has a largely brown water navy with some limited green water capabilities (at least limited for fricking China) LARPing as a blue water navy. That simply isn’t a global superpower.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      China has by far the world's 2nd most powerful navy. The only thing it really lacks is a capable submarine fleet but it's rapidly advancing there as well. China could easily capture Taiwan by just bombing it into submission, even if it gets American support, the problem is that 100% of the time it will escalate into a global war against Japan America and possibly all of NATO.
      Idk how familiar you are with naval news but anyone who is wouldn't call the current day PLAN a brownwater navy.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I’m just saying most of its naval capabilities, a part of their actual navy or not, is incompetent and incapable of serious large scale offensive action in much of any capacity. I can acknowledge that it is green water but my point is that it struggles to maintain this, and laughingly postures itself as a blue water navy similar in capabilities to that of the United States. If we’re talking about power projection I’d argue the British Navy still does more for its nation in comparison to China’s navy. China can bully its neighbors who are infinitely weaker than if, such as the Philippines and Vietnam, but it can’t contend with the relevant powers. China’s navy isn’t as discombobulated as Russia’s, but calling their navy the second most powerful is like calling Russia’s army the second most powerful now. It may have made sense in 2014, but it doesn’t now. Both nations (Russia and China) are chronically addicted to peawienering and lack the domestic capabilities to make weaponry advanced and quality enough to truly counter the United States. Russia, again, is worse than China in this regard, but even China’s super mega ultra stealth death jet the J-20 was only developed due to the information stolen from American companies, and even then it doesn’t come close even with the espionage and logical mimicry.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sorry but you make no sense.
          Comparing with Russia is nonsensical. China has grown far more powerful since 2014 while Russia has arguably gone backwards.
          China's naval production by tonnage exceed even the USA and absolutely mog UK. If anything it's Britain that larps as a blue water navy while China, with 10x the tonnage and 100x numbers, doesn't make as much noise.
          Here's something that just happened: China just tested the Fujian carrier's electromagnetic catapult. This makes China the only country other than USA to have EMALS technology, and one of only 3 countries including France to have catapult carriers at all (UK doesn't have one). So the question must then be asked, if China isn't no. 2 in naval strength, who could possibly be?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I’m glad China has naval production by tonnage down, good for them. I wish we could pump out ships faster, I really do. However, quantity is in no way equivalent to quality. America has more experience by far, as well as far better intelligence capabilities and more advanced technology. Our navy is lacking and that it why Trump was right to worry about it, but it is lacking from an American perspective. We hold ourselves to very high standards and as a result depict ourselves as a dysfunctional third world dictatorship at the first sign of imperfection. There are entire changes in nationwide ideology over societal shortcomings that less developed nations simply accept as part and parcel of everyday human life.

            Their ships aren’t exactly state of the art. Their electromagnetic catapult just does not particularly impress me. When they have three carriers running simultaneously I will be impressed, but only because of the low standards I have for them. When I say working carriers, I don’t mean refurbished Russian ones either. I mean America-style carriers that don’t need to rely on a skateboard ramp on the end of their runway to prevent hets from immediately slamming into the waves. I seriously doubt their ability to establish an effective hold on any portion of the island suitable for prepping for a full-scale ground invasion. I just don’t. Again, I understand China’s navy is much bigger than the UK’s and has more built up capabilities for regional offensive actions, but that’s built up out of necessity for harassing their tiny neighbors. Range alone as well as not having shitty plastic ripoff tech makes the UK’s navy superior. China cannot command the open seas. Obviously Britain couldn't not do that alone nowadays either, but in real life they effectively can use any US base as if it were their own in the even of an actual conflict.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Range alone as well as not having shitty plastic ripoff tech makes the UK’s navy superior.
            Not sure what you're talking about here. Britain's new prince of Wales carrier broke down almost immediately. This just doesn't happen in China. So far the only bad news about the PLAN recently was a viral story about a submarine sinking that... had no sources. And a smokescreen exercise that gets mistaken for a real fire.
            >Obviously Britain couldn't not do that alone nowadays either, but in real life they effectively can use any US base as if it were their own in the even of an actual conflict.
            Then it's not British power, it's American power. I'm sure China could do all sorts of things if it had access to American logistics lmfao. In an actual war the Brits might help the Americans about as much as the Romanians helped the axis.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >That doesn’t happen in China
            Did they tell you that? They struggle to keeps trucks running. Britain is no longer the world empire, I’m sure they had some hurdles with the development of a modern carrier. The US struggled with the F-35 alot and enemies and domestic government officials alike called it a failed endeavor for years, as if it isn’t the most advanced and versatile fighter to date with 8 million lines of code in its computer, and it’s stealth.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Did they tell you that? They struggle to keeps trucks running.
            Lol
            What's really annoying about these discussions is the number of people that believe fake news and bullshit. It's pointless to argue with someone who doesn't agree on basic facts.
            Look I like honest discussion respect people enough which is why I don't say stupid shit like the US military is woke or the F-35 is a failure or America is running out of shells for Ukraine. But it seems you don't really have the same respect for the truth.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >This just doesn't happen in China.
            Yeah it does, you just don't see it. I'm fairly bullish on China actually but they don't have independent media. It's all state-owned and heavily censored over there. ESPECIALLY the military. I don't know if you'll believe me, but I've been in one of their ships, and it was like temporarily walking into North Korea with the propaganda and everything.

            They're very... sensitive. That has its pros/cons really, but point being, underneath the happy animal TikToks and "everyone is just chugging along... no problems here" messages you receive from CGTN or whatever is a quasi-totalitarian government whose first instinct is to "shut it down" when something explodes unless it's so bad they can't hide it like that port which blew up some years ago. But stuff like that happens all the time in China. You never hear about it and the CCP likes it that way.

            That said, such a regime is different from Russia. China can really mobilize people and resources. But my sense is what's inside those ships count as much, if not more, than what it looks like on the outside. And they simply don't match the U.S. there (nor Japan). It's nowhere close. Basic stuff the U.S. has inside its ships, the Chinese are still trying to figure out how to build. Even basic medical equipment, it's quite something. Also getting the different pieces of a military to work together. But it's also something they're working on so I don't agree with the /k/ types who simply write off everything Chinese.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I have a lot more confidence in china's hordes of interchangable bug people than the trannies, women, and 65iq blacks that make up the US armed forces. The USA is literally a dysfunctional 3rd world obese dysgenic mutt shithole.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well, you’re a moron then. If you genuinely think the US Army is made up of “trannies, women, and 65 iq blacks” and you’re not just being hyperbolic then you’re a dumbass. You saw a few photos posted by the Biden administration of some brown and female soldiers and now you’re freaking out. Warfare is a whole hell of a lot more than whether or not you like the people who are fighting for you, but you don’t have an accurate picture of our military’s demographic profile in the first place. China’s Army is a parade force whose equipment is nowhere near as reliable or advanced as ours. If you genuinely think China’s military is in a better state then you know nothing about either. We wipe the floor with Russia, Chin, North Korea, or Iran, plain and simple. Let me guess, you also think the average Russian soldier is a 6’7” blonde hair blue eyed bodybuilder named Dmitri who grew up wrestling bears in the mountains and not a 5’8” half Finno-Ugric half Buryat alcoholic teenager.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Why do the Chinese guys have queues? Who drew this shit. Either way they seem to be thinking about the North Korean army rather than the Chinese. PLA soldiers wouldn't even march in infantry like that, they adopted combined arms in 2016.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If you genuinely think the US army is made up of “trannies, women, and 65 iq blacks
            Whites have always been overrepresented in the US army but that has of course changed drastically and will continue to do so with the browning of America and demoralisation of white men, very weird that your meme depicts them as only white

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Also
            >The USA is literally a dysfunctional 3rd world obese dysgenic mutt shithole.
            >Literally
            No, it isn’t
            > Dysfunctional
            Not at all, particularly not compared to 90% of countries on the planet. A few in Northwestern Europe outclass us in terms of functionality but that’s it
            >3rd World
            The term Third World was literally defined by not being aligned with either the West or East in the Cold War, and the United States was the main nation in the Western Bloc. The US, by definition, can never be a Third World country. But I get what you’re saying, that it’s comparable tot a Third World Country. It’s not, though. Again, having any crime whatsoever, or a homelessness, drug, and trash epidemic in the most concentrated areas of the downtowns of major cities does not make you Third World. Virtually every Western European nation experiences the same things as us due to diversity.
            >Obese
            Us and half the planet, we aren’t that fattest nor the fattest in the white world at this point either anymore, I believe.
            >Dysgenic
            … Means nothing in this context
            >Mutt
            Mixed race people are a minority of the population but alright, mutt in comparison to where? Finland? We’re less white but out whites aren’t mutted, do you just get your opinions on countries based off of twitter memes?
            >Shithole
            Either you’re an American posting this from a gated community who has never sen the outside world, or you’re posting this from a shithole and coping.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Mixed race people are a minority of the population but alright
            lmao this guy believes in US race census's, i can't wait to show you how many brazilians think they're white too. Why are you even arguing this case anyways? Pro globohomosexual posters should own and defend the demographic replacement of american whites

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            White in Brazil and the United States have different definitions. White Americans aren’t mixed to anywhere near the extent white Brazilians are. White Americans (non-Hispanic) effectively have no nonwhite heritage. You are ignorant about the reality of the world, which is fine, but being arrogant and refusing to accept new information isn’t. You make yourself sound like a dumbass when you talk like this. A White American is mire likely to falsely claim a small amount of native or black ancestry and later fin out that is false, than they are likely to claim to be purely white and later find out that is false. We literally get made fun of by Native Americans because if how bad we want to be brown. They joke of there having been “a great surplus of princesses among the Cherokee before the white man came to take them” because of how often a white person (from literally any area of the country, regardless of if any Cherokee ever lived even remotely nearby) will claim go have a great great grandma who was a “Cherokee princess”.

            Ironically actually white Hispanics do the same thing, it’s always the 6 foot tall blue eyed criollos from Monterrey talking abiut how they’re a marginalized person of color with indigenous roots when they interact with us and it’s the 5’2” Chilango Mutts with usernames like Trad_Conquistador_1488_1492 (such as yourself) who talk about being the descendants of European conquerors, calling the US a mutt nation, and fantasizing about the “Reconquista” of the Southwest.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            truthnuke

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Criollos are converted Moors so in reality said "White Hispanics" are probably assimilated Italians or some other non-Iberian European immigrants

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >White in Brazil and the United States have different definitions. White Americans aren’t mixed to anywhere near the extent white Brazilians are
            White american on the census includes "white"hispanics, which is just a term for brown mexicans who want to be white. It also includes north africans and other clearly non white demographics
            >White Americans (non-Hispanic) effectively have no nonwhite heritage
            Non-hispanic whites are a minority, if you want to defend the existence of a white american minority i agree with you, it negates your original claim of america not being mutted though
            >You make yourself sound like a dumbass when you talk like this. A White American is mire likely to falsely claim a small amount of native or black ancestry and later fin out that is false, than they are likely to claim to be purely white and later find out that is false. We literally get made fun of by Native Americans because if how bad we want to be brown
            What you don't seem to understand is that light brown hispanics and octoroons want to be white and identify as such as soon as they gain slightly passable phenotypes.
            Again why are you denying this? Do you have something against these developments?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >demographic replacement of american whites
            "American whites" is a fake identity made up by israelites in the 1860s.

            If your ancestors weren't here before 1860, you're a wetback. I don't care about your vaguely similar skin tone. You aren't NW Euro.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >even China’s super mega ultra stealth death jet the J-20
          Nobody calls it that. Nice strawman. The J-20 is a milestone for Chinese military aviation considering where it was at in 2011, and serves its purpose as a low observable enough plane that can do BVR fights. It has a good range that suits it to missions in the outer Pacific and Indian ocean. Its usefulness only exists with the PLA's achievements in A2A missiles (PL-15) and arguably decent AWACS (KJ-500). It's not a wunderwaffe, no one has claimed it is, but I realize strawmanning is more common in this area of discussion than possibly anywhere else.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I’m not strawmanning, I just enjoy learning about military technology and alot of Chinese fanboys ruin discussions by chatting shit about the J-20, in the best case scenarios still at least implying that it is somehow a worthy contender to or even superior to the F-22 or F-35. So I was kinda preemptively going out on the offensive there, not exactly strawmanning

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >So I was kinda preemptively going out on the offensive there, not exactly strawmanning
            Except that's exactly what strawmanning is. You don't know me but assumed I'm some dude you allegedly engaged in some forum flame war with.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >China has by far the world's 2nd most powerful navy.
        It doesn't even have blue water navy, the frick are you talking about.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Thank you. I try to tell this fricker to no avail

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I wonder how chink naval nerds feel about china having zero naval traditions in modern times? Jap can talk about all the cool ships, heroes and battles they fought in the 20th century but chinks literally have nothing to talk about

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Jap can talk about all the cool ships, heroes and battles they fought in the 20th century
            Yes, Japan can talk about their 20th century performance, but it's already been done. Chinese modern naval history is mostly unwritten, and the current generation is drafting it's most critical chapter yet. It launches more tonnage these years than america and its allies combined. That's what makes it exciting.
            The willpower to fight is there. In April 1950 the PLA didn't have a single ship to invade Hainan so they took a bunch of wooden junks used by fisherman. Miraculously it worked, the entire Hainan island was seized with wooden sailboats in the modern era.
            The technical capabilities are constantly evolving and China has made great strides in recent years. Many great stories are being written. Liaoning was China's first carrier, and PLAN basically built its experience with carrier ops from scratch aboard this refitted Russian ship. In 2013 the first plane landed on Liaoning, it was a historic moment, led by an admiral who was about to retire, this was the culmination of his life's work.
            Fujian will be another interesting story. It just successfully tested its EMALS catapult. It was designed by Ma Weiming. We'll see just how great his work is, he said something like any problem you give me I can launch with a railgun. The navy basically chose to go with electromag instead of steam due to his work.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nice wall of cope lol.
            Chink will never have an exciting naval tradition because there will be no wars on the scale of ww1 and 2, the ships are all homosexual stealth shit that dont inspire the same way the old dreadnoughts and carriers do, the enemies are past it and the geopolitical situation is pozzed, there are no east vs west, no capitalism vs communism. Chinks forever missed out on real naval glory and will have to cope with Tiktok culture war

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the ships are all homosexual stealth shit that dont inspire the same way the old dreadnoughts and carriers do
            Modern warfare is systems based, fought with data links and distributed big data compute intensive systems. It is the culmination of science and engineering and integrates all platforms-- space, air, naval, ground, cyberspace assets. It is highly precise and highly lethal. It makes 20th century battleship fights look like primitive cavemen slugging it out.
            But if you want flashy stuff there's plenty of that. Hypersonic glide vehicles, lasers, railguns, space platforms, drones, AI, IoT. It's all there. Only things missing are giant anime robots-- too impractical.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm talking about how they can inspire nation. Modern ships look gay and modern warfare is too tame and safe, there is no glory. You're coping hard because China missed out on every kino conventional war. Fuzian or whatever will never have the same moral boosting effect as the Yamato. You will never see a display of national unity like how Japanese schoolchildren donate to make warships. Fuxian will never elicit an arms race like the Dreanought did. China will sit with its new toy and do nothing with it forever, never having any tradition and tales to tell about their navy. Meanwhile generations of Americans, Japanese, British, Germans will continue to be awed by the what their forefathers did in the sea, wrting epics, playing video games, making films about their achievements.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >the same moral boosting effect as the Yamato.
            Interesting you use Yamato as an example as the ship never saw real combat, it was sunk by American planes in a rather humiliating manner. So then the only way it could've boosted morale is by just being big and existing. Consider this then: the Yamato was the largest non-american naval ship ever built-- until 2022, when type 003 Fujian was launched.
            >You will never see a display of national unity like how Japanese schoolchildren donate to make warships.
            This was exactly what the Mao era was like. North Korean tier poverty and prooaganda. No one misses it.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Kek this is why chinks are so soulless. You simply can't comprehend the pride of having such a ship like Yamato back then because you have never had a naval tradition, and you never will

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            You keep contradicting yourself. You claim Fujian will never see real combat. Yet the Yamato sank without real combat. Then you claim it's about "pride". So apparently Chinese can't be proud of Fujian, but Japd can be proud of Yamato, because... reasons.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm talking about how they can inspire nation. Modern ships look gay and modern warfare is too tame and safe, there is no glory. You're coping hard because China missed out on every kino conventional war.
            moronic take. the american military complex is exactly that, gay and modern. yet propaganda pieces like movies about snipers fighting a war with bullshit pretenses then killed by some mentally ill incel after returning home, turned out to be effective propaganda.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            You sound like some medieval knight coping about how guns have removed honor from the battlefield. Modern warfare isn't gay, but you are.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            What's cooler, some shitty WW2 prop plane or the F-22? It's obvious, but then you might be the kind of gay that says, well the F-22 has never seen combat.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm talking about ships not planes. You must be the smartest chinkshill.
            But even with planes, what is cooler? A dog fight between ww2 carrier squadrons or gay modern air combat where both pilots cant see each other and dont want to fight each other because it's better to just fly past the enemy with your supersonic stealth machine

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >But even with planes, what is cooler? A dog fight between ww2 carrier squadrons or gay modern air combat where both pilots cant see each other and dont want to fight each other because it's better to just fly past the enemy with your supersonic stealth machine
            BVR fights because the tech is far more advanced. You have radar, computer vision and powerful a2a missiles. Dogfighting is flashy entertainment for the TV audience.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          So who's number 2?
          It can't be Britain, which isn't building a catapult carrier
          It can't be France, which has only one carrier with steam catapults
          It can't be Japan which lacks even a fixed wing carrier
          It obviously can't be Russia
          Then who?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            The United States
            USA #1
            USA #2
            USA #3
            USA #4
            USA #5
            UK #6
            France #7
            the entire rest of the world excluding Russia and China #8-200
            China #201
            Russia #202

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cope nafotroony

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            it's one thing for China's navy to be beaten by countries whose navies consist of fishing boats
            it's another thing for Russia's navy to be beaten by a country that doesn't have a navy
            you cannot come back from such a humiliation

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it's one thing for China's navy to be beaten by countries whose navies consist of fishing boats
            Nice headcanon

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you telling me China won their war against Vietnam?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, 1970s PLAN with only tiny boats beat a much larger south vietnamese fleet that used American destroyers
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Paracel_Islands
            Here have another one
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_South_Reef_Skirmish

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            china will shit all over your blm insignia troony homosexual soldiers

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        The 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th most powerful navies COMBINED still do not come close to the American navy

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    There won't be as any wars like the World Wars because globohomosexual is in full swing, every nations trade with each other, people are soft and too busy with wagie life, Internet made people sympathized with each other too much and made aggressive diplomacy risky because everyone can see what you're doing, modern Politicians don't have imperial ambitions and mainly focus on domestic matters, material cost of war is too great and makes it vẻy unprofitable.
    We'll only see small scale conflict from now on

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    They could've, but the royals weren't smart and quick enough to modernize. The Ming Dynasty and Taiping Heavenly Kingdom had a greater chance of succeeding. Especially the latter since the west may have viewed the newly christen dynasty more favorably.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Iirc the west didn’t really care for the Taiping rebellion and saw its branch of Christianity as still too Chinese in character and not truly Christian.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        I thought that was because they would rather deal with the Qing than a new power in Taiping. I don't doubt that being part of the reason, but if the rebellion was able to stabilize it might've helped sell the idea of a christen China to the western powers.

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          >if the rebellion was able to stabilize it might've helped sell the idea of a christen China to the western powers.
          That's an unlikely premise considering most Taiping supporters were just opportunists uniting against the Qing. I also think it's unlikely the west will see the Taiping Christians as one of them considering their stance on the rites controversy.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Also Taiping Christianity was an insane cult and arguably not identifiable as Christianity at all but rather a Christianity-based cult. I think the West would have despised its existence if the Heavenly Kingdom forces somehow miraculously took control of China or even part of it.

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Zheng He was on his way to make the Middle Kingdom the first global power before Christopher Columbus did with Spain, but the Ming Emperor seethed at his excessive voyaging and pulled a complete 180 by decommissioning the ships and closing the nation to any and all outside contact

  12. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just needs to give Sakhalin to Japan and retake Korea and it's pure V2 qino.

  13. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. It was clear to all of us that be the 19th century the Manchu emperors were losing the Mandate of Heaven. It has now been passed on to Emperor Xi and the Grorious CCP

  14. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    We wuz Qingz n shit

  15. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    wumao lmao

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Get fricked lmao

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