Divine simplicity

Divine simplicity - true or not? Why or why not?

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  1. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    >uh mercy is totally the same thing as justice which is the same thing as power which is the same thing as the number 2, guys
    no

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      >having the hubris to think that you can conceptualize attributes of God in human equivalency

      Come on bro. God isn't actually intelligent or good or just in the way we are intelligent or good or just. Those attributes exist within God. They do not describe God.

  2. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Because Oneness is not composite.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      /thread

      Simple chain of question
      1) Is God a composite, yes or no?
      2) Does God have potential (could home become greater or lesser than he currently is), yes or no?
      If you answer yes to either of those you are a heretic.
      If you answer no to both then you believe God is divinely simple.

  3. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not true, because the Bible is a bunch of fairy tales

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Have you heard what Einstein said about fairy tales?

  4. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Since theological concepts can't be demonstrated empirically they're only true to the degree that people agree with them.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      They can be verified empirically.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        How?

  5. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    i would say the doctrine is correct, recommend st. tomas aquinas for the matter since i definetly don't have the big brain enough to explain why God must be simple.

  6. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is the essence/energies distinction an alternative to divine simplicity?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Explain what that is

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        EO view of the Holy Trinity and the relationship between God and man.
        Here's a few videos on it.
        https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhJ4LaaqUIgdpZnOkYik7OU_jYdCuenXA&si=STkVDVJgd_jBu3dr

  7. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Things are simple.
    We need to rationalise the madness.

  8. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Gods mercy is not Gods wrath, simple as that, his attributes are aspects of his single essence and not his essence itself, see majmoo al fatawa

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes it is. Mercy and wrath are two human conceptions of the same thing. You are so arrogant to ascribe your understanding of attributes to God.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >mercy and wrath are the same thing

        no

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well there is the source of your complete confusion and misunderstanding of God. That's exactly where you go wrong.

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Mercy and wrath are two human conceptions of the same thing.
        Proof?

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Proof is in God's divine simplicity.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            So then your response to the argument is just to assert the doctrine of divine simplicity. You're just begging the question.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Uh no sweetie. We know that God is divinely simple from other arguments (the five ways, for instance). Once you understand that, then questions like the one you raised don't pose a problem.

            Your problem is that you do not understand divine simplicity. You are coming from a human-centric view and that is where you go wrong.

            Think of a child to a father. What seems wrathful from the child's point of view is, from the father, just and merciful.

            Humans exist in relation to God. Not the other way around.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Your problem is that you do not understand divine simplicity.
            No, the problem is that I don't think any of those arguments are sound.

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            And why not?

  9. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    God cannot create time; creating without the medium of time is an incoherent concept. And all the omnis and ims amount to tautologies, where they are defined as whatever capacities God has, no matter what theology you apply. Platonism was a mistake.

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      my God this heresy

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Define omnipotence

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          no, go read

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            What? Some book you haven't even read yourself like Summa? Can God replicate himself?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Absurdities are not things nor do they have any existence, God has power over all things

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            >absurdities are not things nor do they have any existence

            Holy nonsequitur! Meds!

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            you think saying nonsequitur proves anything?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do you?!

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Did god create the set of things which he has power over? Is he capable of adding and subtracting whatever he wants to it? Is he capable of doing whatever he wants to anything within that set?

  10. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Trying to understand what God is suposed to be is useless

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      unprophetic blasphemy

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        That means nothing and you know it

        • 3 months ago
          Anonymous

          Did the prophets ever say such a nonsense?

          • 3 months ago
            Anonymous

            Which prophets?

    • 3 months ago
      Anonymous

      this
      >i am that i am
      even St. Thomas upon seeing Jesus and receiving the beatific vision said consider all that i wrote straw, not that it was not useful of course but that the actual truth is so beyond our understanding

      • 3 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yes but that doesn't mean that we can't say ANYTHING. We just need to realize that we can never see the full Truth.

  11. 3 months ago
    Anonymous

    Atheist here. God doesn't exist, and Jesus was nothing more than a random preacher.

    Can you handle the truth? Because what I said is the truth.

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