do programming games translate well into actual programming?

do programming games translate well into actual programming?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I mean, game programming is still actual programming, it's not any less legitimate than any other field of programming.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      moronic ass illiterate homie

      https://i.imgur.com/frtIIOi.gif

      do programming games translate well into actual programming?

      been thinking about adding them as filter for vocational orientation at my classs

      no

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The only thing Opus Magnum will teach you about is loops and chunking.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes but only in an abstract way and your current programming meta should resonate with the game

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    only in that only autistic people find the process interesting
    but time spend on programming games is time wasted that you could have spent, you know, actually writing code

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >but time spend on coding is time wasted that you could have spent, you know, actually writing code
      What did anon mean by this

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        haha lol I'm brain damaged
        I meant
        time spent on programming games, is time that could have been spent writing actual software and learning directly vs. indirectly

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        er wait you misquoted me butthole!
        "programming games" refers to games like OP posted
        get rekt

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >recreation time is wasted
      have you heard about mental hygiene?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How do I learn how to code?

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you understand the basics of if, for, while loops etc. you're unironically better than half of modern "coders" nowadays

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It depends how much moduleshit and made-for-you engine garbage you work under. Real games programming encompasses a wide domain of problem sets and being a GOOD game developer means being a good programmer, period (but also requires much more than that- it's as much artistry as it is science, simply enjoying games and being able to write a functional engine doesn't necessarily mean you know anything about good game design).

    The thing that really helps grow and develop the "Good Programmer" is working across as many different domains and having as many different experiences as possible. Industrial engineering + game design + sysadmin/networking + web work + hobbyism + naturally curious mind + always tinkering with everything.

    I have no idea what that animation you posted is but if it's one of those "visual programming language" things, you're doomed.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I have no idea what that animation you posted is but if it's one of those "visual programming language" things, you're doomed.

      It's the game equivalent of that robot programing course in high school. You have mechanical arms, a goal and a set of instructions you can use as you see fit.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it seems like they might, I avoid those programming games and I avoid doing my job as much as possible too

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Oh, I misread your "programming games" (gerund noun) as (verb noun). No, those things are trash and you are deluding yourself.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You should make game teaching algorithm instead. There's no reason to filter programming when you already have Python and javascript unless you are sub IQ

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Trying to "get people into" programming is moronic. Trying to make programming more accessible with stupid fricking widgets and "games" like this is just asinine. All that does is guarantee that the worst possible people who have no business being in the field are now polluting it, lowering the average with their remedial minds.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      If you had proper reading comprehension, you would have understood that the objective is not getting the normalgays in, but to filter them out with the smallest of speed bumps available

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, the appreciation is really only one way. It requires programming experience beforehand.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, I absolutely mog ass at every kind of programming and factory game but I can barely string together a hello world and nearly failed the couple introductory programming classes I had to take for my degree. They got frick all to do with each other

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >do programming games translate well into actual programming?
    Not really. While it uses the same kind of thinking, learning and beating each game, or in some cases each level, would be the equivalent of learning a new processor assembler. It's closer to low level automation that to modern programming.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    > OP speaks about 'programming games', as in games with a hard focus on logic puzzles
    > Continue to think he talks of game dev

    Disregard that I suck wieners.

    Logic Puzzlers are nice and may help you to not get dementia, but as the problems are premade for you, you don't really learn anything important for programming imhofamalam. Programming is 4 % analyzing, 96 % creating your own problems and 50 % solving them.

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you start with video games programming you skip "the boring stuff" and end up scare of for loops.
    pic unrelated.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I just realized the bottom and upper part of a capital are the limits and beside it is the function.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      those symbols aren't scary

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        they are for me, who took moron math for hs and went straight into university level for his computer science course

        If you start with video games programming you skip "the boring stuff" and end up scare of for loops.
        pic unrelated.

        is there a resource somewhere that has more examples like this? math language is filtering me and i can't study for shit, even though i understand it when i light a fire under my ass

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          nevermind, found her(male?) blog
          >https://acegikmo.com/mathvis/index.html

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Freya has some very informative videos, but the uncanny valley voice was always to distracting. One time I used an RVC model to change the voice so I could actually listen without being distracted.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You mean notation.
          Yeah, notation sucks. Once you get into the graduate level, people start making up bullshit notation and you're just expected to understand it, even if you have to dive into the rabbit hole of papers to figure it out.

          Math people are also notoriously bad at communication.
          Elegance to them means something different than to us.
          If there is a resource, I'm too old to know it. We just used textbooks and other standard school resources.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Elegance in programming is simplicity. What is elegance in math?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        They are unknown, big and have antialiasing applied, thus scary

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      when someone thinks that is scary, i assume they never listened to anything.

      Elegance in programming is simplicity. What is elegance in math?

      simplicity.
      just more difficult for brainlets.

      nevermind, found her(male?) blog
      >https://acegikmo.com/mathvis/index.html

      >her

      Freya has some very informative videos, but the uncanny valley voice was always to distracting. One time I used an RVC model to change the voice so I could actually listen without being distracted.

      >uncanny valley voice
      hmm... add to that the name, furry pics, hp name etc. high likelihood its a dude. or just, you know, use this new site called google. is uncanny valley also used for known things in addition to hard to decide things?
      videos seem actually good though.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >hmm... add to that the name, furry pics, hp name etc. high likelihood its a dude. or just, you know, use this new site called google. is uncanny valley also used for known things in addition to hard to decide things?
        Well yea, it's obviously a troony.
        >videos seem actually good though.
        They are very good, I just can't get over the voice.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      lmao "programmers" not aware of array langs are genuinely disadvantaged.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      i'm hard filtered by the boring stuff, all the logic and math type shit is np but memorizing all the magic words and syntax rules is impossible. its over

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      b***h doesn't know Gauss formula.

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    most of the zachtronics games are harder than my $160k job

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I had to stop playing Shenzhen.io when I realized it was harder than work and I was spending all my free time on it

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It depends on what part of the game, the actual game itself would be disjoint from day to day at as a software developer but if you were working on the server it would be pretty relevant.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    yes, but not that game
    it's Factorio

  19. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >do programming games translate well into actual programming?
    >well

    Nope.
    Anything you do will in someway or another contribute to your personal development, but efficiency matters. If you play logic or programming games/puzzles you may benefit from it, but given their artificial nature and primary purpose of being entertaining, their educational aspect is limited by definition. You're better off just studying and working on your projects. If your objective is learning, you're wasting time playing videogames.

  20. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Into actual programming - yes.
    Into code monkeying to be replaced by ai - no.

  21. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    turing complete definitely does. it even has verilog export

  22. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you hate programming games, you hate programming.
    They're actually a pretty great litmus test to see if someone's got talent/motivation or if they're just here for money and will eventually burn out.
    Of course, some games are better or worse than others.
    I think Factorio is the gold standard.

  23. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    learning to think does translate, yes. What really grew my brain was getting confused for hours in where the frick was what in my assembly programs

  24. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Shenzhen IO will filter out everyone not logically inclined.

  25. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'd recommend Duskers if you want something that should keep the interest of your class.

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/254320/Duskers/

  26. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Idk about game u posted, but factorio is literally average programmer experience. You have almost everything there: from low level debugging, optimisations, to large scalings, refactorings, modularization.
    It's fun if little autistio inside you isn't satisfied and it will help you develop same brain regions used for coding, but if you actually code, it reminds so much work that I can't play it anymore. I'd rather spend this energy on smth more productive, like pet projects

  27. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    ?t=191
    this is what i had in primary school
    the negative is that whoever got it, got it, but the rest were just struggling

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I had that too. I rather quickly figured out all the features and were struggling trying to implement something akin an event loop in it to handle async events kek. I tried the 3D version that I googled but it was honestly kind of shit.
      Fortunately I quickly discovered gmod and spent my middle school years doing E2 and co.

  28. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    they probably do, but why would I play them and burn my brain instead of working some hobbyist thing?

    I really hate puzzles anyway, they make me feel dumb when I can't solve them, and when I can, I feel like I wasted time and effort that could've gone towards something productive.

  29. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Depends on the game. Problem solving is the core of programming and virtually all logic games. How well the games translate into actual programming depends on how similar these problems to the ones you encounter while programming. For example zachtronics games are made to look very close to programming, but they don't really explore much programming concepts. The tasks often look like programming tasks, but the way you approach them is much more akin to logic games with constrained, convoluted world.
    But there are games that involve just real programming. Screeps is probably the closest to actual programming while still being a game game. There are also gamified programming challenges like Elevator Saga or games with open-ended in game programming like Garry's Mod that aren't really all that different from using a game engine, except that you are inside the game. They are literally just programming, they can even teach you job relevant technologies. I learned php for gmod and pro screeps players set up stuff like elk stack and their own front ends for managing bases etc.

  30. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    lets go a step beyond

  31. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    If you play other games from makes of same, then yes.
    Like Shinzen IO

  32. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Programming games have not been cracked by bullshit generators
    They are our last safe haven

  33. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I only really got into programming and decided to study computer science after playing TIS-100.
    I think if you're good at these games and you enjoy them that translates to programming as well. It's about solving complex problems with simple tools. And as some other anons have said it can be a good way to find out if somebody actually likes what programming is really about rather than just 'making stuff' or chasing money.

  34. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Try Screeps or Schemaverse

    You literally write code there in real language (>hur dur javascript is not a real language hur dur)

  35. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    TIS-1000 helped me a lot with learning assembly when I was taking a computer-architecture course. I did it while doing the assignments (which were in ARM)

    I haven't played any other coding games, tbh.

  36. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    the hard part about programming isnt the syntax but the math. maybe play math games instead lol

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