do you consider audiobook listeners? does it even count as reading>?

do you consider audiobook listeners IQfy?
does it even count as reading>?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    audiobooks are inefficient and cringe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree on the cringe part. Listening to them requires almost zero cognitive effort, similar to just mindlessly watching a story play out on a tv screen.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What if I'm listening to fiction tales that don't really require too much analysis?
        I listened to Deliverance and Elric of Melnibone in audiobook format, did I miss much for not reading it?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So you've never watched a movie and then engaged and deep thought about the themes and ideas present once you've finished it?
        Sounds like you're an NPC.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          NTA but audiobooks are very inefficient if your reading speed is any decent. Maybe 2-3 times slower.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You can adjust the speed, moron.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Doesn't matter. Visual parsing is still more efficient.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Who fricking cares how "efficient" it is? Obviously reading out loud is slower, i don't read for sport

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's very efficient if you're driving

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Watching a tv show or slop flick = being spoonfed with no cognitive activities at all
          Watching cinema = analyzing the image sequence, enjoying mise en scene, interpreting the theme, etc etc
          Being able to 'read' a film is considered as a skill for some reason

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How's your youtube video essayist career going?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've been complimented by people I've gone to contemporary art shows with because I can get what the artist was trying to do with their piece. Just because I can get it doesn't mean it's profound. You guys are like anime/manga gays trying to argue about how deep and philosophical their comics and cartoons are when they pale in the face of literature.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Sounds like you're an NPC.
          >ive definitely engaged deeply with marvel slop films. Ive learned a lot about my life and my world from it.
          >m-maybe if i use buzzwords like npc theyll be pressured into thinking how i want them too!
          Audiobooks like all auditory stimuli is for lower lifeforms. You ever wonder why people constantly have to turn on the tv, or music? its because they cant stand silence.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >implies reading takes cognitive effort
        Dangerously low IQ spotted

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        muh effort

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The cognitive effort comes from reading between the lines, predicting, understanding context/analogies, parsing dense dialogue etc. IMO, which is not exclusive to reading vs listening.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I agree on the cringe part. Listening to them requires almost zero cognitive effort, similar to just mindlessly watching a story play out on a tv screen.

      Cope. Audiobooks require more focus because if you get distracted for a second what you missed will cascade. You need to sit there and focus intensely. It is more difficult than actual reading. And reading is best done with subvocalization or actual vocalization. The people who "read" things without verbalizing them are basically skimming and are pseuds.

      I won't even bother with audiobooks unless I take stimulants and am doing nofap because they require so much concentration.

      The fact you think they're low focus shows you have a shitty mind that can't handle them and simply assume everyone else must as well.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >And reading is best done with subvocalization or actual vocalization. The people who "read" things without verbalizing them are basically skimming and are pseuds.
        t. ancient Roman

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >And reading is best done with subvocalization or actual vocalization. The people who "read" things without verbalizing them are basically skimming and are pseuds
        If you need to vocalize to understand what you are reading, I've got bad news for you.

        >I won't even bother with audiobooks unless I take stimulants and am doing nofap because they require so much concentration.
        lmao even

        Clearly your puny mind has been devastated by ADHD drugs. Your blatant defensiveness is also a symptom of that.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    there are some great audiobooks out there. stefan rudnicki's reading of 'pnin' is not to be missed. i'm always recomending it to people. some books can't be made into good audiobooks, it's true. something that really challenges the reader will always be better in text but for comfy, light reading an audiobook can be downright lovely.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nothing wrong necessarily with listening to some audiobooks but it's not a substitute for reading.
    For listening, I try to keep it to theory; political, economic, scientific, philosophical. I don't see listening to fiction as good or beneficial, seems like you could never be fully immersed that way.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe as a sleeping supplement, but then I don't remember where I was when I fell asleep so I restart the book.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Audio "book" consumers, as well as e-"reader" using subhumans, are not literate and deserve to be publicly shamed, if not crucified.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      e-reader? Do you mean you think there's something wrong with reading e-books?

      That's ridiculous.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Do you mean you think there's something wrong with reading e-books?
        It's not merely a personal opinion, I stated a fact. "E-books" and "e-readers" are ridiculous and extremely gay concepts. Either read an actual, physical book or don't bother.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Explain why they are "extremely gay concepts".
          There are countless books where it's near impossible to find a physical copy because it's been out of print for 50+ years, or it's a low volume book published in another language and the only translation is a pdf.
          So by outright writing off ereaders as "extremely gay concepts", you have outsed yourself as a non-reader.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Do you mean you think there's something wrong with reading e-books?
      It's not merely a personal opinion, I stated a fact. "E-books" and "e-readers" are ridiculous and extremely gay concepts. Either read an actual, physical book or don't bother.

      I'm poor, I can read almost any book for free with an e-reader

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And yet you are still poor.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Behold, the original audiobooks.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Someone needs to do a reading of homer in greek in public, why this isn't as common as Shakespeare in the park is a great injustice

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yearly Iliad/Odyssey readalongs, like they do for Moby-Dick kinda sad they don't do those in Europe would be great. Though they'd probably collapse from infighting over which translation to use.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Some books are great for audiobook format, others not so much. It's also important to keep your environment as comfortable as possible, it's very easy to miss complete sections just because you have to concentrate on something else. For me even jogging and lifting is too much effort to put on an audiobook in the background, I need something more brainless like a video essay or podcast. Walking and driving is peak audiobook territory.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Books are music.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Listening is much less engaging than reading I don't see how people do it

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I listen to some non fiction books in the same vein I would listen to a podcast or something. I would never say I "read" an audiobook because I literally didn't. I listened to it. And anyone who says they "read" an audiobook should be shamed.

    Bill O'Reilly's books are good for listening in my experience.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    lighter more historical stuff works pretty good in audiobooks, there are also some collection of essays that work well. I just listen to them when im on walks which I do everyday

    Stuff that works well:
    Creature from Jekyll Island
    Technopoly by niel postman
    story of civilization by william durant
    essay collections by gk chesterton (all free from librevox)
    if I do want to check out a more normie nonfiction/self help book audiobooks are much better sinec I dont waste actual reading time
    our band could be your life is a fun one for anyone who likes 80s indie music

    Also listening to plato dialogs as audibooks w/ a cast is interesting to listen to after reading

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah, the only problem is if you are preoccupied with something else and aren't giving it your full attention but when you do it might even be better than reading books

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >blind people have never read a book because they have to have them read out
    I suppose John Milton was illiterate then

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is that moron Elosanta picrel?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm dyslexic so I can't read good, :'( why does IQfy hate me? I support all audiobook listeners as heckin' valid!

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No way, man. I even ask everyone breathes in uniform and if you fall out of pace I strongly suggest you stop breathing. Not like we had an oral tradition before writing or anything, you pretentious goober c**ts.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Snekman

    Audiobooks are good for those of us who work, cook, sleep. Since graduating college, I can no longer sacrifice time to sit down with a book. Audiobooks can also be really entertaining and even can clear up some texts that may be lost on nus at the moment. All while doing other things.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I certainly wouldn't mark it as finished on Goodreads if I had only listened to it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >it doesn't count on my gamification website
      Lol

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i consider audiobooks completely antithetical to reading actual literature. it is a form of media that i reserve for background noise when driving or otherwise mobile and unable to properly read. there are some outliers though, some youtubers have come up with a good style to read short stories, as with some of the thomas ligotti stories. when someone is speaking ligotti in a droll mundane style it's pretty fun

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yes it counts, but as you can see itt people just use them to appease their ADD brains while doing other tasks. You can listen and understand any books if you actually sit and listen to it and give your full attention like you would with a written book, from fiction to philosophy. Humans are built to listen to stories and lectures, not stare at gay squiggly lines on.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Enjoy your Delta!

    >*consumes the cum chalice*

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >does it even count as reading>?
    no? reading is a specific neuro-cognitive process

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Audiobooks allow someone to "finish" a book while paying zero attention

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i would bet all the money in the world elosanta has never read a book in his life

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's funny how many posters here derive some smug satisfaction from consuming printed words.
    You're still just a worthless consumer.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Humans spend millennia telling stories.
      >Humans attempt to tell long form stories, but they're just TOO long.
      >Humans write the long stories down in order to read in parts.
      >Fastforward to modern day.
      >Humans finally have the ability to tell long form stories in parts.
      >This is somehow a bad thing.

      I think the contradiction comes from making the activity of "reading" somehow extra noble. Don't get me wrong, I love reading, and it's an incredibly useful skill to have, but people impose this pseudo-mystical quality to it. That's why they get offended if you say listening isn't the same activity as reading, they see that as an attack, even though they ultimately are two different activities. As other anons have said, you need to be actively listening to take in the information properly, but listening can have its own advantages. Works read by the author can give some interesting insight (there's a good recording of T.S. Elliot reading The Wasteland on YouTube last i checked). I still prefer reading especially for more complicated works.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >reading
        Actively comprehending words on a page
        >audiobooks
        Having something speak at you like a TV
        One is passive; one is not

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Humans spend millennia telling stories.
    >Humans attempt to tell long form stories, but they're just TOO long.
    >Humans write the long stories down in order to read in parts.
    >Fastforward to modern day.
    >Humans finally have the ability to tell long form stories in parts.
    >This is somehow a bad thing.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes it counts. I hear all my books on my daily commute

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I could never focus on books and I read really slowly, 30 pages a day is near my max, maybe up to 50 if I was really into it but almost never that much and my head would hurt afterwards from the sustained focus.
    That said, audiobooks have enabled me to actually get into books because when I realized I can listen to podcasts fine, I gave audiobooks a try and it works well enough. Obviously I can't go as fast as anyone that's a strong reader but at least it's possible for me. Plus they're great for when I'm traveling or doing monotonous work.

    So for me they're a godsend, it's sincerely been my door into literature as I've only read a few dozen books before that and it took me years to do it.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Audiobooks are the way of the future. Most book were meant to be read aloud. Not silently read with pen and paper. You only truly appreciate great prose if you can hear it. The problems is that many books are not on audio and a good many more have poor narration. Audiobooks can also be abused by listening while your doing something else, but thats a fault of the listener not the medium.

    Audiobooks can also make you a better reader. A book like Paradise Lost can be very hard to read on your own. But if you buy a physical copy, and read along to a good audio version of the book (like the one by Anton Lesser) you will get a understanding of how 17th century poetry sounds. This will making reading other old English verses(with no audiobook) easier in the future.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Audiobooks are real literature. I understood Finnegan's Wake perfectly on my first listen and I'm fine. Also, if you need annotations you're already NGMI.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I understood Finnegan's Wake
      >'

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous
      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/GyMREAD.png

        Not even a typo. Just an autocorrect I didn't care to fix.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone that listens to audiobook while drive, walking, etc., or have it in the background in any way did not absorb the book at all. They 100% missed dialogue/points/plot. People who do that to artificially say they read books to look smart or cool. Look at the audiobook subreddit. Some people gloat they "read" hundreds of books.

    I used listen to audiobook and often have to rewind. Now I only listen to audiobooks if I have the book to follow and if the narrator is good (btw frick celebrity voices... that is the most cringe shit). Narrated by the author is best (like the David Foster Wallace essays)

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Audiobooks are more traditional than reading.
    The first stories were all told orally, thousands of years before print.

    Anyone who tries to gate-keep literature is a gay.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      These digits wasted on your moronic gay post that couldn't understand that literature existed before the printing press

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tf are you on?

        You do know that "print" existed before the "printing press." You walking void.

        Frick these kids are dumb as shit bricks.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're a special kind of stupid

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's the truest form of partaking in literature.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i don't like readers homosexual voices , when i see people in this thread wanting iliad to be declaimed ,i only see a homosexual doing it surrounding by the power of cringe that even cringe wants to get out.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I switched to audiobooks a few years ago and I've never looked back.
    Now I can enjoy the books while driving to work, doing chores, exercising, going on walks, doing a repetitive task at work, etc.
    I still read books when I have enough free time, but audiobooks have given me a chance to read (listen) so many more books. I legit don't get the hate they get.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Only if you do it while doing nothing else, like if you're blind or something.

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >reading
    >listening
    i wonder why we have two different words? it's almost like they describe different things? do you consider it reading when you listen to a song or hear someone honking their car horn?

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Audio books require just as much cognitive work as reading.

    With audio you still must process and understand language, just as with reading.
    Only difference being that it is delivered orally vs visually.

    The illusion that reading is better than listening is born of the reality that reading prevents you from multitasking.
    It requires your whole attention, only in that you cannot look away from it. Otherwise, your mind wanders just the same.
    In other words; It is only more binding, in that it restricts your mind from operating at a higher level, which is an allowance given by audiobooks.

    By this logic, audiobooks are the superior form of literature.

    The idea that audio is lesser is the result of terminal brain rot.

    RIP

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Do you consider cyclists to be curlers?

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