Do you guys think the Windows on ARM push will work? Apple's ARM devices are beloved and sold really well.

Do you guys think the Windows on ARM push will work?

Apple's ARM devices are beloved and sold really well.

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  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    If they can get video games working on ARM I’m sure they will win. Apple actually offered a good solution for the problem with their Game Porting Toolkit. I think developers aren’t using it because there are almost no gamers on the Mac. It’s a hardware issue and a hardware upgradability issue.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Proton which is foss is still a millions times better than proprietary Rosetta

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        let me know when proton works on arm devices

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao you are such a fricking moron it's unreal

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Wasn't factorio ported already? I don't need more.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      he looks absolutely broken.

      > porting
      > it's just wine
      lmao.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It’s not just Wine. The developers themselves have to port the games. They have high level access to their code to ensure it works properly.

        >Apple actually offered a good solution for the problem with their Game Porting Toolkit.
        It's not a "good solution". It's terrible. They develop macOS, they know Proton/WINE/DXVK exists, they are Promoter tier Khronos member (the highest and most privileged tier), so why on earth have they never ever provided a native Vulkan driver so all they have to do is shit out a Win32 wrapper and let everyone pick it up from there? It completely baffles me that Apple SAYS that they care about gaming, yet never takes any genuine steps to make macOS a better platform for gaming.
        APGTK is not what macOS needs for the platform to become relevant towards gamers. It's really only available for Apple developers, on questionable redistribution terms, and is still saddled with restrictions that make it only viable for modern gaming. A good chunk of PC games are under the stewardship of publishers that are completely unavailable towards their already existing backlog and/or are completely disqualified from being a APGTK game in the first place. Those older PC games and the ability to run them are the whole reason why PC gaming is an incredibly rich platform, and without Apple taking steps to allow these games to "just work" like how Proton/DXVK enables (with some caveats) I can't see macOS being considered a serious candidate for PC gaming any time soon.

        The whole reason why Linux has become an increasingly good candidate for gaming, is specifically because of Vulkan. Because of it's flexibility, allows translation layers from OpenGL, OpenGL ES, DX8-12, and even to Metal to exist. Apple, being the gatekeeper of all that is macOS, has the ability to introduce a Vulkan driver into their operating system enabling a vast library of games onto macOS. Although there's still problems like the ABI that have to be solved and 32 bit support, those problems are very likely solvable without the involvement of Apple in the first place.

        I don’t think Apple likes the idea of “maybe it will work by using Proton or Wine”. They want to be absolutely sure that it will work.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >The developers themselves have to port the games.
          but that isn't what's happening. nothing is being "ported". it's merely a front end wrapper.
          >They have high level access to their code to ensure it works properly.
          meaningless marketing buzzwords
          > linus "the thief" cuckbreasts
          zero credibility.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Most games don’t work properly at all with the Game Porting Toolkit just by itself. The developer needs to make an actual port from it, stuff needs to be tweaked and whatnot. Most stuff doesn’t work properly on Wine by itself on Linux either.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Wine isn't even an emulator, it's a compatibility layer. This has to be emulated across architectures.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Imagine engaging in OS wars for the majority of your adulthood.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Apple actually offered a good solution for the problem with their Game Porting Toolkit.
      It's not a "good solution". It's terrible. They develop macOS, they know Proton/WINE/DXVK exists, they are Promoter tier Khronos member (the highest and most privileged tier), so why on earth have they never ever provided a native Vulkan driver so all they have to do is shit out a Win32 wrapper and let everyone pick it up from there? It completely baffles me that Apple SAYS that they care about gaming, yet never takes any genuine steps to make macOS a better platform for gaming.
      APGTK is not what macOS needs for the platform to become relevant towards gamers. It's really only available for Apple developers, on questionable redistribution terms, and is still saddled with restrictions that make it only viable for modern gaming. A good chunk of PC games are under the stewardship of publishers that are completely unavailable towards their already existing backlog and/or are completely disqualified from being a APGTK game in the first place. Those older PC games and the ability to run them are the whole reason why PC gaming is an incredibly rich platform, and without Apple taking steps to allow these games to "just work" like how Proton/DXVK enables (with some caveats) I can't see macOS being considered a serious candidate for PC gaming any time soon.

      The whole reason why Linux has become an increasingly good candidate for gaming, is specifically because of Vulkan. Because of it's flexibility, allows translation layers from OpenGL, OpenGL ES, DX8-12, and even to Metal to exist. Apple, being the gatekeeper of all that is macOS, has the ability to introduce a Vulkan driver into their operating system enabling a vast library of games onto macOS. Although there's still problems like the ABI that have to be solved and 32 bit support, those problems are very likely solvable without the involvement of Apple in the first place.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >they are Promoter tier Khronos member
        I don't get it, didn't they claim they were suing them over some unspecified reason and why SPIR-V support was nixed from WebGPU bullshit?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          They said they had "dispute [sic] between Apple Legal & Khronos which is private", so WebGPU ultimately didn't adopt or fork SPIR-V. That's way too vague to come to any conclusion really. Could be a sign of NIH though.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        My conspiracy head canon is that the homosexual perfectionist upper management at Apple wanted the gaming experience on a MacBook to feel really nice like no fans spinning loudly or making the entire chassis warm as frick

        They probably needed an "M1" moment for their machine when it comes to real time gaming performance because then they'll able to blow the frick out of many of the gaming laptop competition since everyone else is also loud as frick and warm as frick

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Apple wanted the gaming experience on a MacBook to feel really nice like no fans spinning loudly or making the entire chassis warm as frick
          you're delusional. apple absolutely gave zero fricks about gaming on their macs since forever. only in recent years have those moronic fricking simpletons decided they should do the most minimal amount of work to make gaming less shit on mac, and they still failed. i would hate to imagine how worse things would be if apple gave less fricks if the m-series was apple's attempt at trying.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Proton which is foss is still a millions times better than proprietary Rosetta

      It’s not just Wine. The developers themselves have to port the games. They have high level access to their code to ensure it works properly.

      [...]
      I don’t think Apple likes the idea of “maybe it will work by using Proton or Wine”. They want to be absolutely sure that it will work.

      they use crossover (proprietary wine fork)

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Is wine under a cucked license??

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Crossover is just a highly refined WINE, Crossover contributes heavily to WINE's code repositories and upkeep with their profits from sales.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The question is if they'd want to deal with the g*mer crowd

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >m-muh bideo gaymz

      stfu

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        it's a big market, moron

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        stupid fricking frogposter

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      The issue with games on mac os is that Apple requires all apps to use Metal graphics api

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I hope not. This was the best chance to kill Windows from the tech world.

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    If Intel does nothing, it will win eventually. But I expect them to, you know, fight back.

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The whole reason why people go with windows is because it allows you to upgrade things like the GPU. EVEN IF you're stupid enough to buy a laptop you can usually hook up an eGPU.

    ARM takes this away and thus windows "ARM" is just one of those "you will own nothing and you will be happy" they're going to try and force on all of us.

    I PRAY to all the gods, both the old and the new that this backfires spectacularily and results in a surge of steam deck sales and more companies getting into handheld PCs and no longer using windows OS on them.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not going to defend ARM or its many licensors, but technically ARM has a spec for IBM PCisms: ARM SBSA.
      That being said, if your product isn't cucked (lol, lmao) you just fix up your device-tree and you're good to go. simple as that. Nothing is stopping you from adding PCIe to your ARM SoC either, other than having to address it in your device-tree or enumerate it with SBSA's whatever design.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine being such a massive sell-out to do this.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >actor in one advertisement acts in another advertisement
      >"Imagine being such a massive sell-out to do this."
      yep. you're moronic.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        no, you gotta have some respect.
        this is literally being a sellout. sorry not sorry.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          so was the original ad then

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          he was literally selling his time and effort to produce the first ad. what the frick is your parasited muttbrain confused about?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Kek, I remember when Jerry Lambert was working for Sony but then did a Nintendo commercial and Sony sued him.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Do you guys think the Windows on ARM push will work?
    no. how is win32 (x86) ABI compat going to work?

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >referred to as the "im a mac" guy
    >its justin long
    why would they do this to /ourguy/?

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This is such a moronic ad. Why are wingays so consistently bad at marketing?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous
  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    All devices may become "embedded" because of ARM, you'll have to hack specific Linux ROMs onto your machines like with today's Android.

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    If the corporate word take to it, i.e. when they next replace the offices workstations with ARM based equivalents, there will be no stopping it.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      *world

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    arm is a pajeet platform

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    He's been hating on Apple for a long time

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Im a Mac guy
    >people completely forgot about Justin Long

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Do you guys think the Windows on ARM push will work?
    If there is a good x86 compatibly layer, consumers will buy and use whatever is on sale. If there isn't a good x86 compatibility layer, Windows on ARM is basically DOA.

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They also sold well long before ARM. Applegays don't buy their products because of ARM or 99% of them don't even know or care about the hardware.
    They buy it because it's apple and because they think it's some status symbol.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Justin Long, actor, is paid to act in new acted commercial
    Woah…. PC must be that good now!

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Apple's arm devices run Windows better than Qualcomms do.

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah.

    90%+ of adults who buy laptops spend nearly all of their time in the browser. When they're not using the browser they're using built-in Windows apps and office-tier programs, or sometimes they might engage in basic photo/video editing.

    Almost all the snapdragon laptops I've seen don't have dedicated graphics, and the chip is cheaper than what intel/AMD is offering, which allows for the OEMs to dedicate more resources to making the laptop feel nicer by incorporating shit that is usually reserved for higher end laptops, like slimmer bezels, haptic trackpads, nicer screen specs, better chassis, better speakers, etc.

    With these x plus/elite laptops, they'll be more than fast enough for everything the majority of people will need, have long battery life, don't get super hot, and they're packaged in a more premium laptop design.

    So yeah… random people will preferentially buy them.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >the best feature of windows is massive backwards compatibility
    >Hey guys, I just had a BRILLIANT idea!!!
    death to Windows and Microsoft

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      the best feature of windows is genius of NT
      backwards compatibility is a massive meme and makes the whole OS total shit

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Anisa is looking rough these days

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Nvidia wants to make ARM CPU devices
    >Apple runs on ARM with big success
    >Microsoft wants to go full ARM now
    >Intel and AMD are also following
    Let's face it, all the big players want to move to ARM, so game companies will shortly follow the money trail. 10 years from now all PCs will be running on ARM.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      runs on ARM with big success
      it hasn't been a success at all. apple gained no new market share and we're on the third or fourth revision of their SoC. it's embarrassing.
      >Let's face it
      you have no idea what you are talking about. just a moron's world view of how computers worked based on articles posted on 9to5mac. Black person.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    would work but because all good developers are in grave or left m$ they are going to have hard time writing translation code that includes hacks for over 9000 abandonware programs that business users still need to use
    probably ends up as vm running windows 10 that has gui parts replaced with some rdp integration shit

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Hope so. Don't care about windows part, just want good ARM laptops to become mainstream. After trying M1 Air - I ain't coming back to Intel shit. For home server - maybe. But primary portable device - ARM for sure. I want long lasting lightweight metal device to run Linux on, not some crappy plastic leg warmer with 4h battery life.

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >muh ARM

    the ONE AND ONLY REASON THE INDUSTRY IS SWITCHING TO ARM IS LOCKED BOOTLOADERS. all of the "efficiency" stuff is BULLSHIT

    ARM MEANS SAY GOODBYE TO EVER BEING ABLE TO INSTALL ANOTHER OPERATING SYSTEM AND THE PC WILL BECOME A CELLPHONE

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I honestly think that they waited for summer to start to announce their ARM desktops for a good reason. Enjoy your x86 radiator.

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How do people in this board not realize that ARM PCs will be practically impossible to fix in case of malfunction or if the user or some application wipes the OS? ARM PCs would be completely disposable... And they won't be any cheaper than x86 PCs.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Why?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Have you tried learning how computers work?
        Also, as an instance of that, see Android.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          What does that have to do with instruction sets?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, CPUs do a lot more than simply running instructions. Ever heard of bootloaders and BIOSes?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >BIOS
            We use UEFI now, grandpa.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Upgrading a mac is simple, you just... throw it away, and buy a new one.

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    lloks all these nice arm pcs with great performance and battery, that would be a shame if it had an always running AI agent and screenshot every second and you could not turn it off

  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    If they can port many things to run on ARM then it will be good. Mac OS sucks monkey dick and is actively more annoying to use if you aren't a bubbling moron. So the only thing Windows has to figure out is compatibility.

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