Do you respect holders of the Ed.D as "doctors"?

Do you respect holders of the Ed.D as "doctors"?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I consider EdD as teachers and MD as physicians
    I only consider PhD as proper "doctors"

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can you elaborate? I don't see why someone holding an Ed.D, or another professional doctorate such as a DBA or DPH shouldn't be deserving of the title

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He's trying to be pedantic since doctor in Latin literally means teacher, but failed miserably.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Professional degrees are professsional degrees, they're not worthy of any research or novel quality.
        Consider a famouse PhD thesis from let say Paul Dirac, none, zero of the other type "doctoral" degrees can provide works that even close in terms of brainjuice, value or quality.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Cult of Passion

          >Professional degrees are professsional degrees, they're not worthy of any research or novel quality.
          Yeah, Ive heard at what would pass for PhD thesis in Theology/Religious Studies.

          Ive does a hudred of those, its supposed to be proof of "coherent advancing of research" and thats it, not "you've/ll advance science".

          • 2 weeks ago
            Cult of Passion

            But also can be, Tooker's Timetraveler's Bible would be, an a equalent to a Unified Theory.

            Which is what Schizos do, those hail Mary long shot to the Moon shit and legit academics but more rare.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Generally people with JDs don't call themselves doctor. And if they do they usually get bullied by other lawyers.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Medicinae doctor
      How is this not a "proper" doctor? Half of my professors are M.D.s that practice part time.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the average MD know troony shit about science nor ever did any research anon.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Ackshually, a requirement these days for med school is to have prior research experience in undergrad.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >prior research experience in undergrad
            my cousin did this, basically collecting some data from some device on patients and write some report. that shit doesn't even count.
            my aunt is MD and never did any science research.
            another aunt of mine and an uncle are dentists, they never wrote a single academic paper or go to conferences in there lives.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That shit doesn't even count
            Mkay then.
            >Is there a doctor here?! He's having a heart attack!
            >Ye-uhhh I mean no, I'm a math doctor.
            When people think doctor, they think MD. Sorry 🙂

    • 2 weeks ago
      Cult of Passion

      Few can balance teaching and active research, usually they pick one.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I have you filtered.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Cult of Passion

          I have mimics.

          We are Legion for We are Many.
          (WWG1WGA and all that cult nonsense...)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Cult of Passion

        Which properly doing both is "Professor", going back and forth, learning, teach what is learned, and again.

        Michael Levin kind of balances that a bit, its a lot, and the more "you can keep up" the more it can be just him reviewing his works and youre approaching that moment of creation.

        Or whatever.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This. MD is a joke. Nobody really pays for your research. Its just done as you can practise. same applies to EdD and many art and literacy doctorates.

      Thag said, math,physics and CS doctorates are maily a joke. Many and many is just for pajeets and make someone get those research funds in exchange of ChatGPT made papers

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No, of course not. I have an estranged aunt who completed an Ed.D which is on deposit with a local university. Out of curiosity, I visited the reading room to access it. I wasn't expecting anything impressive, nor was it horrible, but was really just a dull essay which only ran to 80(!) pages. She spent paragraphs in the very short thing noting how she kept research locked in her private storage areas, and re-iterated very basic parameters for her subject in the first half in an undergrad sort of way. The prose didn't pop off the page, and there wasn't much explanatory power. Just a piece of work that she churned out in connection with her medical background.

    I'm sure that the process had value for her since it would have required her to balance professional and research life (like any "doctoral" student), but it didn't come across on the page.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Curious that someone with a medical background went with an Ed.D instead of, you know, an MD, DNP, DPH, etc.

      Unless it was something like "Nursing education" I guess

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Paul Diract thesis btw, 90% of IQfy and 99.9% of normies will be filtered by the first 5 pages.
    https://diginole.lib.fsu.edu/islandora/object/fsu%3A641

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they will be filtered in the cover page because they can't read cursive

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't respect anyone just because of the title "doctor" nowadays. Dirac in 1920 is a different story

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Generally no. Is that to say I don't respect Ed.D holders at all? Not at all. Not everybody has to produce completely novel research, and aiming for teaching is knowing your limits, which within itself is commendable enough.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    sensei?

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no. we should also stop awarding phds to stem students. they are scientists, not philosophers. let the humanities keep their phds and rebrand stem education as Sci.D.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You do realize that natural science rose from philosophy, right?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        the same culture that thought left handedness was the work of the devil. i really couldn't give less of a shit what the norm was four hundred years ago. nobody called themselves scientists back then; we do today. Sci.D. more accurately captures what it is a scientist does.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Science is philosophy, Black person.
          The youngling c**ts like you think gathering data n shit aint philosophy but physics (that include other related fields like chemistry...) is very much a philosophical subject.
          Many related are in mathematics like theoretical computer science or computations are basically purely philosophical once you think hard enough, which you obviously lack the IQ for.
          Well, you can argue that life sciences arent philosophy but that's another subject.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Science is philosophy, Black person.
            then why aren't philosophers considered part of stem?
            fyi i'm older than you, and have a phd in physics. you're a pseud.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            are you this dumb?
            you're literally claiming X is Y why isn't other part of Y is X.
            you're claiming phd in physics and you don't understand this basic logic.
            STEM is philosophy with the scientific method. doesn't mean the rest of humanity wordcel play philosophy is STEM.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            so you agree there is something fundamentally distinct about science not present in philosophy. therefore the same title PhD should not be awarded to philosophers and to scientists. scientists should be awarded a Sci.D.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I can't even comprehend how or why the actual frick you are trying to put those word in my mouth from what I said, did your brain have a stroke or the logic too hard for you to understand.
            Go back to

            [...]

            Black person

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you're experiencing what's called "cognitive dissonance". what you read from me makes sense, yet contradicts what you understand. you cannot hold both views in your head simultaneously, so revert to name-calling and other generic insults.
            >X = science
            >Y = philosophy
            you claim all science contains philosophy, i.e. Y is contained in X. you then chastise me saying that X is not contained in Y (congratulations--that was the point of my question). if X is not contained in Y, there must be elements of X that are uniquely part of X.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no, Black person, just have a nice day

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous
          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            wow

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Imagine not knowing that René Descartes considered himself a scientist.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I consider myself a billionaire - that doesn’t change the reality that I’m not one.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Doesn't equate. Try again.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you moronic? That comparison has absolutely zero legitimacy

          • 2 weeks ago
            Cult of Passion

            Nobody batted an eye lash when the black man does it, a kind of N-word pass.

            Sorry.
            [takes a knee, raises a fist]

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bringing race into a purely intellectual discourse; moronation confirmed. Make sure to apply for your tard bennies!

          • 2 weeks ago
            Cult of Passion

            Leave it to a soulless Hwyte man so steal the crown by making another, AND claiming your's!

            "Dr.PROFESSOR?!"

            Your racism has been noted, this isnt going off your record.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Doesn't equate. Try again.

            Emotional outburst. Neither an argument nor a refutation.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You've never read Descartes. That much is obvious.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Why would I read Descartes? I'm a scientist, not a litgay.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >STEM nerds can't be cultured

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://iep.utm.edu/descartes-scientific-method/

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >More philosophy.
            Did not read. Do not care.
            Cope. Seethe. Cry.
            Not a single scientist needs to read whatever you linked to do his job.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks for conceding, moron.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Wasn't a concession. Name one scientific discipline whose practitioners should read that and why. Any answer you provide will be about rounding out their knowledge or some other moronic shit. Distinctly absent is an answer on how to make them a better scientist

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Are you joking? If you read it you'd understand that methods has to do with solidifying the scientific method and mathematical work. Dipshit.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yawn.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're a dumbass.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Natural science rose from philosophy the same way our distant ancestors rose from the muck to begin breathing on land. The addition of empiricism and scientific methodology allowed us to outgrow the useless meandering of classical philosophy.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't even respect them as people

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >muh dirac
    infinite regress of "if you aren't in the 99th percentile of x you didn't *really* deserve it"
    if you aren't in the 99th percentile of the 99th percentile of people who had incredible phd theses at a young age then you didn't *really* deserve it...
    so on forever

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What is the point of an Ed.D? You need a B.Ed. to become a teacher and an M.Ed. to become a principal. What does an Ed.D get you?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's an easy route to putting "Dr." on your LinkedIn

      • 2 weeks ago
        Cult of Passion

        Its become so worthless that a higher title is needed for people doing broad advanced research, but then it becomes a dance for "supreme tenure" or some shit.

        Hence the 2nd Amendment, because they knew this creeping "backwards magnet" always comes back, a never ending back and forth where frick ups back enough at the highest levels can cause global turmoil.

        Beautiful, dumb, evil, ꑝꃍꍼꁶ, shit.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I get your first sentence, but the rest of that was gibberish

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's like programmers calling themselves "software engineers" outside of resumes
    Any real developer will make fun of you

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've worked as a SWE before, and that title was commonly used without ridicule. Maybe it was just company culture, but I haven't seen anyone get made fun of for calling themselves or others a SWE

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