Emulation legality

What does IQfy think about this case?

Could this spell disaster for all emulators?
What about open source software and ownership?

Think about it.
Like say Microsoft had it in for linux again and decided to go after wine so less people would leave windows or be more reluctant.
Not only that but go after other projects that they felt emulated the windows environment to let windows programs to be run on it. They would curb stomp any competitors and microsoft would be the go to.

This isnt even going into preservation, innovation of tech, compatabilty testing, education, open source software and your consumer rights.

Is it possible for emulation to be deemed illegal because it might lead to piracy?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The only reason it is not illegal is because big tech firms don't want it to be illegal. If they did it would be illegal. Only nintendo cares about this shit because they are moronic japanese morons.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why do they not want it to be illegal?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        my guess it that open source emulators ease the pain of needing backwards compatibility

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Normies are too stupid to use emulators so their sales will not decrease.
        It would cost too much to lobby the US government when they could spend that on marketing or game development.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is just technical legal gibberish, if you had more than 90 iq you would be able to tell they want to make emulation illegal and delete all emulators from existence. They hate that people just emulate their shit instead of buying switches or mini snes. Fitgirl repacks is full of switch games packed nicely with a setup.exe

      Nintendo doesn't care about emulation. They care about piracy.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    microsoft wouldnt be able to do it i reckon as they sell windows, not whatever software runs on it (not counting office and whatever else they made)

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    For the last fricking time this case has nothing to do with the legality of emulation, Nintendo is claiming that decrypting games using keys stored on the Switch in plaintext (something the Switch itself has to do to make games work) counts as circumventing DRM under the DMCA, which is illegal except for reverse-engineering efforts.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is just technical legal gibberish, if you had more than 90 iq you would be able to tell they want to make emulation illegal and delete all emulators from existence. They hate that people just emulate their shit instead of buying switches or mini snes. Fitgirl repacks is full of switch games packed nicely with a setup.exe

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >This is just technical legal gibberish, if you had more than 90 iq you would be able to tell they want to make emulation illegal and delete all emulators from existence.
        What they want isn't relevant to the lawsuit, moron.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They don't realise they themselves have benefit from emulation existing then.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Nintendo is claiming that decrypting games using keys stored on the Switch in plaintext (something the Switch itself has to do to make games work) counts as circumventing DRM under the DMCA, which is illegal except for reverse-engineering efforts.
      Which all systems since at least the Xbox have done, deeming all of those emulators illegal.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        is claiming that decrypting games using keys stored on the Switch in plaintext (something the Switch itself has to do to make games work) counts as circumventing DRM under the DMCA, which is illegal except for reverse-engineering efforts.
        Ok, so you're taking something the official console does in order to access the DRM content in the way the developers intend, and using it to access the content in a way the developers didn't intend.
        But it's not DRM circumvention because it's the way it works officially.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        is claiming that decrypting games using keys stored on the Switch in plaintext (something the Switch itself has to do to make games work) counts as circumventing DRM under the DMCA, which is illegal except for reverse-engineering efforts.
        Ok, so you're taking something the official console does in order to access the DRM content in the way the developers intend, and using it to access the content in a way the developers didn't intend.
        But it's not DRM circumvention because it's the way it works officially.

        In fact, if the keys are so easily available then the correct way to do the emulator would be to require the users to supply those keys and load the encrypted ROMs.
        That's kinda how the Playstation emulators were with the BIOS files.
        If people then share those key files with the encrypted ROMs, that's their problem and Nintendo can go after them.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >the correct way to do the emulator would be to require the users to supply those keys and load the encrypted ROMs.
          That's what yuzu (and ryujinx, citra and cemu) already does.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That's what yuzu does, they don't include the keys and their official guide tells you to hack your own switch and dump them yourself in oder to use yuzu. Nintendo is claiming that telling people how to hack the console and dump the keys is a violation of the dmca

            Then Yuzu will probably be fine unless the reports about people within Yuzu distributing decrypted ROMs themselves are true.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's what yuzu does, they don't include the keys and their official guide tells you to hack your own switch and dump them yourself in oder to use yuzu. Nintendo is claiming that telling people how to hack the console and dump the keys is a violation of the dmca

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I thought Yuzu didn't ship with prod.keys and you had to *ahem* obtain a legal backup copy of the prod.keys file on your own legally obtained Nintendo Switch system. Am I wrong?

      I know that I was able to play TotK on Yuzu after being sold it early by a mysterious stranger. I was able to make a backup copy of both the game and the prod.keys, which came very useful as I subsequently lost both of them in an unfortunate boating accident along with all of my firearms (truly tragic).

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >you had to *ahem* obtain a legal backup copy of the prod.keys file on your own legally obtained Nintendo Switch system. Am I wrong?
        Yep, but Yuzu's site had its own "dummies guide to dumping keys" section for some moronic reason, as if people couldn't just google that elsewhere, and the discord was filled with idiot developers talking about how they know people are just pirating them
        Doesn't put them in a good light really

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          how does one obtain a legal backup copy off their own switch.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It doesn't but the devs were passing around prod key files in their Discord (the app) which was exposed by Discord (the company) to Nintendo

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sega wrote code to check that the text 'SEGA' existed at a certain location in the ROMs on the grounds it was trademark violation. When that was tested in court it it didn't help to win the case at that time. Why would any other string of text being tested for be considered any differently?

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No one wants anything too extreme. Remember, nintendo and sony both use open source code and emulators for their own operating systems. Similarly, a problem for Microsoft is if Linux is not allowed to emulate microsoft. Then is microsoft allowed to emulate linux? it currently does and is one of their products. You can see the issues.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's almost as if Windows and Linux didn't have the same kind of license.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if emulation is illegal then wsl should be purged off my windows. i keep the wine though, since wine is not emulator

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      linux is open source, moron.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And yet if emulation is allowed to be declared as inherently unlawful software, the act of having an emulator for any purpose will be illegal.
        The best part would be the clusterfrick that would then fall upon the Macbooks that emulate x86 platforms until Apple can right the boat kek.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >And yet if emulation is allowed to be declared as inherently unlawful software
          No, only trademarked and copyrighted software, which doesn't apply to FOSS shit. Were you really too stupid to work this out on your own?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nintendo is overtly legally claiming in their filing that "emulation" (as a concept, as a whole) is inherently unlawful and has no legal use. The act of emulation, regardless of what is being emulated on what.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Nintendo is overtly legally claiming in their filing that "emulation" (as a concept, as a whole) is inherently unlawful and has no legal use.
            Ah, so you didn't actually read the 41 page lawsuit and have little to no understanding of what Nintendo is alleging.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            which is absolutely hilarious because nintendo uses emulation to ship their own old games on newer platforms, which they copy/paste from FOSS

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >No, only trademarked and copyrighted software, which doesn't apply to FOSS shit.
            Linux is both trademarked and copyrighted, you're just a moron who doesn't understand what those things mean.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm just looking to emulate retro non nintendo consoles
    but I need consoles from companies that don't mind emulating their consoles and that do absolutely nothing if they download their games pirated.

    I don't care if I have to emulate rare consoles from the 1970's or early 1980's

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you can download whatever you want, just don't share it.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is one post WII game worth emulating on Nintendo and it's BOTW. You don't need Yuzu for that. And besides, the absolute best ones are N64 anyway.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    we already had this thread, newbie
    the conclusion is that companies are fricking moronic for acting surprised people use the superior product and there will be 1000+ forks of it, so it will be easier to emulate

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >nooo muh bing bing wahoos
    who cars

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      have a nice day

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >reddit response
        Dilate

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Like say Microsoft had it in for linux again and decided to go after wine so less people would leave windows or be more reluctant.
    >Not only that but go after other projects that they felt emulated the windows environment to let windows programs to be run on it. They would curb stomp any competitors and microsoft would be the go to.
    This wouldn't affect me. I don't even have wine installed on my computer. There is no good windows-exclusive software.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't they just make games and emulators that don't suck?
    Oh, right, Nintendo has been coasting on momentum for the past decade and a half.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    FRICK NINTENDO

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Is there an alternative to emulation that is totally legal and problem-free?

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nintendo is shit at making their old games available.
    In the future some guy will be happy that Yuzu exists.
    Besides emulation is already legal by US law.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Besides emulation is already legal by US law.
      For now.
      Nintendo is constructing all of their arguments to present - as legal fact - that emulation is inherently unlawful in any regard.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Nintendo is shit at making their old games available
      You aren't entitled to free games

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You can't read

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What's with those shitty nails?
    Why are they half way down the real nail?

    Also, emulation is fine and will be fine. The problem is DRM circumvention, which isn't the case in many emulators.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I believe nintendo is shit and moronic. Emulation isn't by any mean piracy itself, and can be used to run original bought games with extracted ROM (not piracy at all if you don't share it)
    It's like DEA banning internet due its being used for drug market

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >It's like DEA banning internet due its being used for drug market
      Let's not pretend the DEA wouldn't lobby for shutting down the internet if the it was primarily used for drug trafficking and very little else, like how the overwhelming majority of emulation users are using emulators to play pirated games.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is a yuzu problem, not an emulation problem. They're been the gnome of emulation since citra.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >gnome of emulation
      but Yuzu is QT and RyujinX is GTK
      footgays win again.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      but yuzu literally just works

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They need to offer a better product. 30 fps is a joke. Their exclusives are dumbed down toddler fare. Astral Chain could have been so much better. They need to treat their clientele like adults instead of making inferior product and then blaming piracy.
    Drakengard 3 is a work of art but was limited to shitty low res graphics by being a Playstation 3 exclusive. Thanks to emulator we can now play it at 4K/120fps. That's probably best example of a game that is greatly enhanced by emulator

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if they didnt embed decryption keys and didnt re-use decompiled Nintendo code, they have no case.
    being capable of piracy is irrelevant, knifes arent illegal because you can stab someone with them, its moron logic.
    however, I dont think yuzu can afford the lawsuit anyway, so the yuzu project specificly will die.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      decryption keys are not copyrightable.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        afaik theyre not, but most homebrew devs stayed clear from them just to keep the DMCA/lawsuits away

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's what Yuzu did and it didn't work. It's copium and the real reason is if they can be bothered going after you, and Yuzu has the patreon bux to make it worth it.

          Dolphin has the Wii keys and Nintendo is very aware of it, but it's not worth it to them

          The keys themselves mean nothing, it's the DRM decryption itself they can argue.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        While that is the way it SHOULD be, judges tend to bend the knee and side with greedy corporations

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    deserved for not supporting windows 7

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this is so cute. i absolutely love that 7 users think they are relevant enough to have influenced any of this. literally nobody thinks about 7, 7 users, or anything they do. it's like they all have some kind of mental disorder where they assume that they're the center of the universe. this was happening entirely regardless of the prompting of that one buttmad, probably lying 7 user lol. fricker's emails probably all got dumped into the spam folder since they were loaded with malware attachments and shit.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        cope

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reminder that this was started by a lunatic Windows 7 gay.

      Based

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        see:

        this is so cute. i absolutely love that 7 users think they are relevant enough to have influenced any of this. literally nobody thinks about 7, 7 users, or anything they do. it's like they all have some kind of mental disorder where they assume that they're the center of the universe. this was happening entirely regardless of the prompting of that one buttmad, probably lying 7 user lol. fricker's emails probably all got dumped into the spam folder since they were loaded with malware attachments and shit.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Based
    Freetards need to stop poorgayging and earn money. They don't even need to go outside like most boomers out there.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Freetards need to stop poorgayging and earn money.
      They're making $30k/m on patreon.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Could this spell disaster for all emulators?
    >Is it possible for emulation to be deemed illegal because it might lead to piracy?
    It seems like that might be the intent.

    [...]

    [...]

    >they are claiming as legal fact:
    >>A video game emulator is a piece of software that allows users to ~unlawfully~ play pirated video games that were published only for a specific console on a general-purpose computing device
    >they are categorically attempting to define emulators as unlawful software
    If this suit succeeds (which seems kind of likely given how Yuzu was making money off this shit) and that slips through without them needing to amend it, I strongly suspect this assertion will be used as precedent of some kind for future emulator takedown attempts.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Could this spell disaster for all emulators?
    Yes. Particularly if Yuzu just settles and takes down the emulator and none of this gets tested at trial, so Nintendo is free to do this to the next one and the next one and the next one until there's someone who's both willing to develop an emulator and test untested interpertation's of the DMCA in court for millions of dollars. You've already seen Nintendo operate like this when it comes to melee tournaments using emulation.
    I expect that to continue, threaten and force capitulations from people who can't afford to mount a defense.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that this was started by a lunatic Windows 7 gay.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      nah. 7 gays are not that important. he had been trying to spam ninty for ages. his emails probably got sent to spam every time. he's just rolling in and claiming credit, thinking the world revolves around him like a typical 7 luser, trying to "make a point" so he can try to scare other devs into supporting his dead OS

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yuzu paywalled updates for bing bing wahoo emulator, nintendo will drown them in legal fees until they give up, tale as old as time of morons trying to make a profit from something they knew they shouldn't.

      It was very amusing but its extremely unlikely that schizo actually made an impact on anything if you think about it for more than a second.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >they knew they shouldn't.
        You mean Bleem where the courts ruled commercial emulation was perfectly fine but the 'burry them in lawsuits until they die' defense arose?
        Anon if you're at the point where you're saying 'commercial reverse engineering is bad' then you're squarely licking the boot already.

        >Nintendo is overtly legally claiming in their filing that "emulation" (as a concept, as a whole) is inherently unlawful and has no legal use.
        Ah, so you didn't actually read the 41 page lawsuit and have little to no understanding of what Nintendo is alleging.

        Nintendo is arguing shit precedent that declared flashcarts piracy devices per the DMCA.
        When in reality per the text of the law if I reverse engineerd a (Not)Switch that could play the Nintendo's games better than the Switch could I would be perfectly within my rights. But shit precedent has decided that the ability to play pirated games along with nebulous "well they advertised its ability to play pirated games" = piracy device. So the original intent of the anti-circumvention exceptions in the DMCA may as well be dead.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't really care about emulation (pirating) but I enjoy watching pirate/emulation gays seethe.
    They have the funniest justifications for everything.
    "Nintendo is evil for selling games on their hardware."
    "Nintendo is evil because they charge 60$ for their games."
    "Pirating and not buying current gen games is good because Gabe said so."
    "Nintendo is evil for not devoting all their manpower to port old games."
    There's going to be a lot of opinions on this lawsuit, but considering that Nintendo woke up from their slumber after a few years to target Yuzu, and the fact that they only targeted Yuzu instead of including Ryujinx, says to me that they think they can win.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      ain't reading allat
      will keep pirating tho

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Smartest pirategay

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >go after wine
    Wine Is Not an Emulator

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Hello me from 2 seconds in the future.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Hey friend 🙂

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wine Is Not an Emulator

      Wine is an emulator, it's HLE

      https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.linux.misc/c/_g3F2H4ieDc/m/GKeIZCuOev0J
      Originally named 'Wine' by co-creator Bob Amstadt. Wine was a shortened version of winemu (or WINdows EMUlator)
      >My orignal line of thinking was "winemu", but I didn't like that. Then I thought of shortening it to "wine". This led me to think of "whine" and "whinny". I liked "whine", but felt that it was too long

      This was because one of the main features of Wine is a high-level emulation library
      >b) The second part of the finished product is an emulation library, which takes calls to Windows functions, and somehow translates these into calls to X11
      >A very minimal version of the emulation library has been merged with the loader. -Bob [Amstadt]

      After a discussion about Sun's Wabi, it was believed that Sun changed the internal name from WABI (Windows Application Binary Interface) to avoid any legal troubles from using the 'Windows' trademark.
      >I have talked Face to Face with a sun representitive who told me "Wabi does not stand for anything". He then went on to explain that they did want it to stand for Windows Application Binary Interface. but their lawyers told them they better not
      >"Formally announced in May, but previewed late last year, WABI acutally stands for (Microsoft) Windows Application Binary Interface ..." SunWorld, June 1993, p 22. There is also a similar statement in the April issue of SUnWorld

      They decided they should follow suit and avoid essentially calling it 'Windows Emulator'
      >For those of us in the user community, the threat of Microsquishy winning their appeal to have the word "Windows" trademarked is mostly irrelevant. But perhaps the Linux group should consider calling their version of Wabi "WAW" ("WAW ain't Windows(tm)"). This would preserve the grand old tradition of recursive acronyms, and would also be a good nose-thumbing at the sorry gits in Redmond.
      That is when "Wine Is Not an Emulator" was first suggested

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wine[a] is a free and open-source compatibility layer to allow application software and computer games developed for Microsoft Windows to run on Unix-like operating systems. Developers can compile Windows applications against WineLib to help port them to Unix-like systems. Wine is predominantly written using black-box testing reverse-engineering, to avoid copyright issues. No code emulation or virtualization occurs. Wine is primarily developed for Linux and macOS.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >compatibility layer
          Yeah, HLE.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Its literally a linux implementation of the win API. Theres 0 emulation

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wine Is Not an Emulator

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Laws are for slaves.
    Disobey if you want to be free.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >pic
      It literally is illegal

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >illegal

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    we are 60 years into corporations hiring illegal immigrants to sabotage our wages while feeding us poison. frankly, i dont see why anyone even pretends to obey the law.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Never let evil take root, terrorize sony and nintendo, lel

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >nooo you can't just want money for a product you poured endless assets, time and money into!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >t.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >whaa whaaa FREE BACKUPS (for free!) are baaaad!
        have a nice day or rather: extinct yourself (gj so far!)

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You aren't "backing" anything up and you know it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Stupid b***h, you know >i< am right

            go ahead, buy pokemon for n64 from nintendo now, oh wait, you cannot! you have to rely on the users not working at nintendo. so pull your head out of your ass

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >go ahead, buy pokemon for n64 from nintendo now, oh wait, you cannot!
            You aren't entitled to everything made ever because you want it. "Oh no I want some game that came out in the 90s!" Okay? Too bad. Time passes. Get over it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You aren't entitled to tell others what to do with stardust they own, little man. Nobody gave you the right to steal other peoples time using prison systems. You think you are, because you're the majority doing its job, but you are not.
            You aren't entitled to projection either and you also aren't entitled to claim that backups aren't backups. A copy is a backup, get that into your square head.
            You won't. So why reply to me? Now frick off, moron.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You aren't entitled to tell others what to do with stardust they own,
            You dont own it. You just said you wanted to buy it. I Didnt read further because you are already moving the goalposts.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i aint reading ur shit, frick off, freeloader

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >"moving the goal posts" coming a feminine "you know i'm right" poster
            frick off again. get it? because you can frick right off

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i aint reading ur shit, frick off, freeloader

            Concession accepted

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            no, i did not accept your confession. you didn't even confess to anything
            here's a pirated asset from nintendo, now what, homosexual?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            Concession accepted

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Like say Microsoft had it in for linux again and decided to go after wine
    Wine is not an emulator

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I've just learned to avoid Nintendo.

    They haven't been good since the Wii.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    good guy nintendo making autists and trannies mad as always

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      autism is when you want everybody to do as you say and going against the grain. in this case, the autists are the nintendo lawyers

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I want copyright israelites to die.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If ninty lose it'd set a pretty based precedent about extracting & using encryption keys to break DRM, they must be pretty confident about it.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if emulation were somehow deemed illegal, you would just pirate the emulator too.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >all emulators
    their argument hinges on drm-circumvention and old consoles didn't have any real drm to speak of so no

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >old consoles didn't have DRM
      lmao

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >you see, you have to write half of the nintendo logo here or else the gameboy won't boot!
        not drm and also nintendo (and sega) both got btfo in court for this for attempting to weaponize trademarks and waste the courts time on stuff that wasn't infringement

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Could this spell disaster for all emulators?
    No because even Nintendo uses them, so their argument that emulators can only be used for illegal purposes is moronic ironic.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Without piracy Nintendo would now be dead

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    remember, all this happened because they dropped support for windows 7 and then a 7GOD decided to bring the wrath of Nintendo upon them.
    Support W7 or get sued freetard, chop chop

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >say Microsoft decided to go after wine
    wine is not an emulator

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      wine is an emulator
      it emulates a windows environment, and on ARM devices it emulates an x86 processor as well. the whole "is not an emulator" thing is freetard autism cope

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >it emulates a windows environment
        It does not emulate windows code, but translates function calls to Linux.
        >it emulates an x86 processor as well
        wine does not. it can only offload to a separate x86 emulator. You're incredibly stupid.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >It does not emulate windows code, but translates function calls to Linux.
          In other words it emulates the Windows API...
          >wine does not. it can only offload to a separate x86 emulator
          sounds like some sort of israeli cope
          if Wine includes or works closely together with an emulator in order to perform its basic functions it doesn't exactly matter that the emulator is technically a different software product.
          Wine is an emulator, a WINdows Emulator to be precise, and that's just what it is. No amount of wordplay or retroactive acronym changes will do anythjing about it.
          >You're incredibly stupid.
          Kek

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >if Wine includes or works closely together with an emulator in order to perform its basic functions
            It doesnt so
            >
            He said can. Not does.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >translates function calls
          That's called high level emulation.

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Who cares? Even if they made emulators illegal, people would continue making and using emulators just as they continue doing anything else classified as "piracy". I actually hope conventional computing continues to get increasingly draconian and monopolized. I want more DRM. I want more censorship. I want more vendor lock-in. I want more dumbed down interfaces, more locked down features. Make normie-tier computing the interactive equivalent of boomers flipping through TV channels and make it impossible for small companies to form and compete in this market. Maybe once the profit motive is gone and real computing is no longer mainstream or accessible, the few who care about technology for the right reason can have their new golden age.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >I actually hope conventional computing continues to get increasingly draconian and monopolized. I want more DRM. I want more censorship. I want more vendor lock-in. I want more dumbed down interfaces, more locked down features.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Why did you post a selfie? I'm not the one who makes that face every time this an inevitable consequence occurs. lol

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the since4pass is a nice touch, really goes well with this post

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Nintendo
    Who gives a slightest shit? What is the point of playing 69th game with M*rio?

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't have a nintendo switch but I wanna play some shit on the emulator. How do I do that IQfy gods? Do I really need to get my own switch to even emulate it?

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wine is not an emulator moron, it's literally in the name.

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yuzu became a problem to Nintendo when yuzu devs and pirate sites became greedy pieces of shit and straight up started pushing piracy because it became more profitable for them. Greed literally ruined the product.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The whole ninty scene is greedy as frick, paid emulators, paid exploits/cfw, paid 60fps mods, ad-ridden pirate sites
      If I was nintendo I'd be pissed too

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why do gaymers have to argue? It's just Nintendo being Nintendo for the last 35 years.

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It means nothing. Emulators have never been liked by the games industry and they still exist after so many years. Someone else will build another one and the games companies stop caring when the next gen comes out. Bleem was stopped but PCSX still exists.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      bleem! was killed by legal costs, they didn't lose the case
      the legal system is fricked

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That's irrelevant to my point. It was withdrawn none the less, but other ps1 emulators have come about since. Companies only care about profits in the current quarter and not anything that doesn't impact that.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          indeed Nintendo themselves depend on the work of emulator writers. NES compatability wouldn't be possible without it. Games companies often lose their own source code for games for example. What's to stop Nintendo losing their keys in the years to come?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          yea, well to be fair, bleem! was a product sold in stores as an alternative to buying a playstation (in theory anyway, in practice it only ended up supporting a handful of games, but hey, it was early days and emulating a current console on another current console [bleemcast!] was insane)
          i haven't read the details in ages, but usually what is attacked is the details surrounding the emulation and not the emulation itself, like using playstation branding and game images to sell bleem!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I agree that was an insane thing to do. I'm not familar with the details of this switch case. Is that emulator being sold? Will nintendo will be suffering a loss of earnings from sales of their current product range?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Is that emulator being sold?
            No
            >Will nintendo will be suffering a loss of earnings from sales of their current product range?
            People on this thread and elsewhere will claim that the emulators who are playing their backed up games that they've legally purchased, but nobody does that. They torrent the ROMs and play it without ever paying for a switch or any game cartridge. So yes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >So yes.
            The overwhelming majority of people who use emulators don't have the console. They're not buying that console, let alone the games for it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't need you to repeat my statements to me.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You can't lose money you were never going to have. The target demographic of emulator users and the target demographic of console owners barely intersect.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If the emulator didn't exist, and the person really wanted to play that game, there's a fair chance he would go out and buy a switch in the game for it. That's generally how buying things works.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >If the emulator didn't exist, and the person really wanted to play that game, there's a fair chance he would go out and buy a switch in the game for it
            Almost no one goes and buys a whole console because "they really wanted to play that game". People buy games for consoles they already own.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            They buy consoles to play games.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Almost no one goes and buys a whole console because "they really wanted to play that game".
            that's... what else do you buy a console for?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hes trying to justify piracy by inventing a scenario where the game manufacturer doesnt lose money.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Would you have paid for your computer or phone if you could have gotten it for free? No, you wouldn't have. But most people have a phone and a computer, which means they bought it, which means they wanted them, so they paid for them. So they could use the applications and media that runs on them. That's how purchasing things works.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >but nobody does that. They torrent the ROMs and play it without ever paying for a switch or any game cartridge. So yes.
            not him but while i do agree that is more likely, it's not like you can't also pirate games on a switch itself
            like i got a psp when it came out, i bought like, 2 games for it, and pirated everything else
            pirates will pirate whether they use an emulator or the original hardware

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >it's not like you can't also pirate games on a switch itself
            The Switch isn't an emulator. Nobody's talking about the Switch. If you have a switch emulator on your computer that emulates Switch games, you are pirating those ROMs. It's just undeniable. People will say it's for game preservation or backups, but it's not.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >If you have a switch emulator on your computer that emulates Switch games, you are pirating those ROMs.
            not necessarily, you can also dump the roms from the carts you own on a switch you own, no piracy required

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Reread my post

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            i did but what i said still applies

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't an infinity of things are possible. Its irrelevant what is possible. What matters is what is probable. Do you stuff feta cheese in your ears? Why not? Its possible. Because feta cheese is better utilized in consumption. Nobody is dumping Roms from a game console they own and then playing it on their computer, leaving the game console unused. That's moronic.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Nobody is dumping Roms from a game console they own and then playing it on their computer, leaving the game console unused.
            i do
            i mean the console doesn't go entirely unused, but i like the option of playing those games i own on my computer as well, in higher resolution

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >What matters is what is probable.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            according to you, but this thread is about law

            I'm not interested in buying a switch or playing any of its games or the console itself or any emulator.

            neither, but this situation isn't unique to the switch

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >neither, but this situation isn't unique to the switch
            There isn't really a precedent for high availability of good performing emulators that have been released in the same lifetime as the original console. It directly gives the people the opportunity to forego buying the console and pirate the ROMs, which wasn't the case for earlier consoles, which had emulators that were developed later.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >There isn't really a precedent for high availability of good performing emulators that have been released in the same lifetime as the original console
            this isn't true at all
            the first time i was introduced to emulation was seeing a friend play pokémon yellow on his computer, at that time the game hadn't even come out yet in my country
            there has been many times where emulation has become possible before the console reached end of life, for example the SNES, PlayStation, Gameboy/Colour, etc

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, so your argument is that vast amounts of people are out there buying a switch console and then buying the games for it and then dumping the games and then playing all those games on the computer in higher resolution. That's what you're saying? Or are you admitting finally, that you're a very rare case, and people are actually using the emulator to run pirated roms.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            no, i'm not denying most people using yuzu probably don't own the games or a switch
            what i'm saying is that it's not exclusively a program for piracy, you can use it legitimately, and i don't think it's fair to ban or restrict something just because it can be abused

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >and i don't think it's fair to ban or restrict something just because it can be abused
            You know what, you have a fair point. That's actually a very fair point. I'll concede to you on that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            we're in agreement, then
            yes, most people pirate games when using emulators
            no, emulators shouldn't be made illegal just because you can play pirated games on them

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think it's necessarily a good thing that they were created in the first place, And I think that there should probably be laws against creating them, at least in the lifetime of the console, but yes, now that they exist, I don't think they should be banned. You made a very fair point, and you're right.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            if i were to make a compromise, i would much rather they be allowed after the end of life than not at all
            preservation is important, and buying second hand consoles/games doesn't provide any profit for the copyright holders anyway
            there are many, many games now that are extremely difficult to get hold of which would be forgotten if not for emulation

            Emulators could not be made illegal at this point. They are part of established practice. Whether they like to admit it or not games companies have a symbiotic relationship with emulators and have made profits they otherwise couldn't have without them. Microsoft themselves have released emulation packages of windows for free for testing purposes, as with IE6 back in the day.

            i have on more than one occasion bought a console after having emulated some of its' games

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There's no compromise needed as no changes are needed. The existing laws around this issue are sufficient in my opinion.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            sure, but if i had to choose

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I think it's to our benefit that it's not something any individual needs to or even can make a choice upon. People will do what they will in any case.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Emulators could not be made illegal at this point. They are part of established practice. Whether they like to admit it or not games companies have a symbiotic relationship with emulators and have made profits they otherwise couldn't have without them. Microsoft themselves have released emulation packages of windows for free for testing purposes, as with IE6 back in the day.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Well yeah. Questions about its legality doesn't necessarily mean the emulator authors can be stopped from developing it.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Cant peoppe use SLAPs against big corpos doing that now.
        Its so those with money cant abuse it

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    the switch is a current console last i checked

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I don't think it's justifiable from a preservation angle to release a switch emulator at this point in time.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        how about convenience, or enhancement
        like would you rather play botw or whatever at 720p30, or 1080p60?
        i regularly emulate games i own for similar reasons

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not interested in buying a switch or playing any of its games or the console itself or any emulator.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            OPs question was about will this stop emulation? I think based on prior precedent it'll have little impact, if any at all.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That's fine, but you're not entitled to do that. The game is released to run on certain licensed hardware with the limitations and expectations that it will be run on that hardware. You're not entitled to a faster performing product because you have a higher spec computer somewhere else in the house. You bought the game and you bought the console.

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    you can delete your own posts, but only within a short period of time

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Emulation is legal. Always has been, always will be. Why wouldn't it be?

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