Engineers in the us are treated like crap.

Engineers in the us are treated like crap.
My mom just told me she knew someone who is an engineer and wanted to apply for a job in Maryland and got offered like $30,000 a year

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Being an "engineer" could mean any fricking thing. Depends on what they're actually doing/ what industry they're in. Same as someone being called an "entrepreneur" could be jeets scamming idiots on biz or a small business owner or a multi billionaire.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    engineers should be treated like shit. they spent 4 years learning how to program an excel spreadsheet for $100k per year? and thinking theyre better than everyone the entire time? frick them, let the future be a hard lesson to antisocial freaks. your money means nothing if people hate you

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Wow maybe he shouldn’t be a sewage engineer aka toilet cleaner

      Seethe tradie

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      lol they start at like 50k

      It's a job for brainlets

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well what you need a PhD for a career now? Well who has time for that

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It's not only you graduate as an engineer and start your career you need to get licensed too. My sister's husband did that too. Honestly is just a dumb pride career for people that want to prove that they can do it. But really it's all stubborn pride. That's not healthy.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      engineering degrees are literally the hardest undergrad degrees at any university and it's not even close. There's a reason why the programs have 50-75% rates of people dropping out or switching majors. Imagine how much trouble the average person has with Calculus 1 now that's just the basics for engineering. Now imagine how difficult circuitry or physics or 3d visualization or thermodynamics or machinery. Yes every single one of those topics is expanded upon in courses that fail a majority of students well into the 2nd and 3rd years.

      Courses like Systems dynamics or Fluids or thermodynamics are so vague and theoretical you can't just "Study" for the tests, you need an internalized intuition of the underlining concepts. This alone filters out 80% of the general population and why mechanical engineering grads have an average IQ of like 125

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon, I graduated with a degree in engineering and some of the dumbest motherfrickers on this planet graduated. Has nothing to do with intelligence.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          2 year "engineering technician" degrees aren't real Engineering degrees.

          You're maintenence, go clean the toilet now sanitation "engineer"

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        its only difficult because no topic is actually adequately studied in engineering courses. But they have to cram everything into a 4 year degree because that's how the system has always been so why change!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >engineering degrees are literally the hardest undergrad degrees at any university and it's not even close.

        Lmao shut the frick up homosexual. If you remotely have any inclination towards math you can pass those courses by studying a little and morons in your major saving you via “the curve!”. Undergrad degrees are useless and the biggest morons are unironically the engineer students.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          No you can't as per the large amounts of mathcels who drop out of engineering and get a math degree instead

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Name an undergrad harder than engineering otherwise you havent proved him wrong

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I needed to be in about the top 8-9% of my state just to get into my degree, and then it had a 50% dropout rate.

          Wow maybe he shouldn’t be a sewage engineer aka toilet cleaner

          Seethe tradie

          Sewage systems do actually need a lot of engineering work. They tend to be managed by the same kinds of people as municipal water and gas supplies.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I needed to be in about the top 8-9% of my state just to get into my degree, and then it had a 50% dropout rate.
            hes right anon, getting a degree is not hard. you have to be "kind of" smart to get a degree, and even then only "kind of" smart to get such a job
            >only 4% of my state gets through it
            this means nothing, go walk around in public for an hour and tell me if 4% of people look like they're worth anything

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well it's of the portion of the population which finished high school, which I just looked up at 80.5%. So about 3.2% overall.
            But still, remember that those are the ones who end up in bullshit low-paying jobs like in the OP. The usual sales engineers, CAD monkeys, and just the massive numbers of people who finish an engineering degree but never even work as engineers. Anecdotally from my cohort, I'd put that figure at about another 50%.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >just the massive numbers of people who finish an engineering degree but never even work as engineers
            in my experience guys that go into sales end up making the most money, of course this goes against the "engineers are the smartest" train of thought, but its my two cents from working in industry for 10 years

            work smarter, not harder anon.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Quite possibly, but I have a pretty comfy (and incredibly safe) job and I'm still pulling a pretty high income for someone in my 20s.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >engineering degrees are literally the hardest undergrad degrees at any university and it's not even close.
        Lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >learning how to program an excel spreadsheet
      I learned how to program robots, PLCs and computers. I also learned enough about electronics to build my own computer from scratch. I know the basics of manufacturing, casting, plastic mold, machining, welding and had hands on experience with all of it.

      I can build a CNC machine or robot entirely from scratch, write the inverse kinematic algorithms for the robot to run.

      Also I work as an automation engineer IRL and make low six figures (120k per year) and I've only been working in the field for 5 years, graduated in 2018, first engineering job in 2019.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Cope brainlet Black person.
      t. 350k TC

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >your money means nothing if people hate you
      literally untrue
      my money means I have no reason to depend on or interact with other people, ever

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nice bait post. Not just anyone can win in these highly technical environments. Only those that can learn hard things quickly and are driven. Those with High IQ and high executive function. The only thing morons like you think you have over engineers are people skills, but what about the man that possesses both?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Technician or an actual university or college level engineer?
      I refuse to belive that US engineers get shafted that way. Maybe it was just a case with Maryland

      Bunch of engineers are also bros that joke around alot. At least automation engineers from my college did not have the lack of those. We were always screwing around

      Wow maybe he shouldn’t be a sewage engineer aka toilet cleaner

      Seethe tradie

      Engineers don't clean toilets. They explain technicians how toilets need to be cleaned and draft plans, projects. And curse at their computer and can't shut up about jet engines

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      based
      engineer types are the most insufferable, dunning-kruger affected asspergers on the planet

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >studying to be an engineer in the US
    US manufacturing all went to Mexico and China. You wouldn't study aerospace engineering and emigrate to Somalia, would you?
    >but you still have infrastructure
    Our "infrastructure" is decaying. A US "infrastructure" bill was passed and all of the money went to adult daycare, museums for minorities and other liberal vanity projects. We still have a gazillion railroad derailments and collapsing bridges.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There’s still plenty of manufacturing in America. It’s just high tech manufacturing

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It’s just high tech manufacturing
        Semiconductors? It's all made in Taiwan.
        Jets? LMAO Boeing.
        Automobiles? Most countries do this now.

        The US had a huge competitive advantage when Europe and Asia was destroyed in WWII. Boomers enjoyed a golden age in the US. All of that is gone. Europe and Asia is rebuilt. We don't do anything particularly well.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Medical devices motha fricka and advanced robotics. I’ve done both in my career and there’s tons (relatively) made in America

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Medical devices are huge in Ireland too. You a Stryker guy?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No never worked for Stryker but I’ve worked with a lot of guys in Ireland. Medical devices are def big over there

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Medical devices
            We have machines that can see through you, yet a doctor still has to put his fingers up your butt to check for prostate cancer. Apparently we're not that advanced.
            >advanced robotics
            Japanese still kick our asses on this front.

            Everything in the US is overpriced, over-engineered, and doesn't attack the problem it was designed for well (e.g. we'll fire off $10 million dollar missiles to shoot down a $10 thousand dollar rocket). China sees us doing moronic shit like this in the middle east and they've dedicated an entire branch of the military to missiles (PLA Rocket force). The US has $13 billion dollar aircraft carriers? China will just take it out with a hundred $100k missile trucks. You can't shoot down them all. $13 billion vs. $10 million. What's more cost effective?

            I'm not bullish on US manufacturing or our engineers.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's not an engineering problem. The engineering is good, for weapons atleast I think. But they want to make money and war is mostly about fat cats making some money. In china a lot of things are owned by the state so they don't have that perverse profit incentive as much as the us.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That's not an engineering problem
            Cost is but one factor an engineer needs to account for. It determines scalability for a solution.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >what are defense companies like raytheon, lockheed, general dynamics, northrop grumman, pratt and whitney, sikorsky
          gee wow its not like the US military/private companies doesnt hire contractors at all

          you're not an engineer if you haven't risked your health discovering lead or mercury or whatever the frick you want to risk, you're just a glorified idea man until you risk something

          kek tradie cope, ill design the jets and you can risk your life welding in confined spaces or whatever

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you're not designing any jets, you're just trend following the people's designs you're copying from

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You seem to think being an engineer meàns being an inventor

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            invention would happen anywhere there is production. the people who started tesla didn't travel up a mythical mountain in mordor to ask the great seer on what he invented that day to venously bestow on them the details of their precious roadster

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No point reinventing the wheel everytime something needs done. I'll take an existing design that I know the welders can slap together and size the beams based on the loads being applied to them. That's just being economical.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I already shit on the US defense industry here.

            >Medical devices
            We have machines that can see through you, yet a doctor still has to put his fingers up your butt to check for prostate cancer. Apparently we're not that advanced.
            >advanced robotics
            Japanese still kick our asses on this front.

            Everything in the US is overpriced, over-engineered, and doesn't attack the problem it was designed for well (e.g. we'll fire off $10 million dollar missiles to shoot down a $10 thousand dollar rocket). China sees us doing moronic shit like this in the middle east and they've dedicated an entire branch of the military to missiles (PLA Rocket force). The US has $13 billion dollar aircraft carriers? China will just take it out with a hundred $100k missile trucks. You can't shoot down them all. $13 billion vs. $10 million. What's more cost effective?

            I'm not bullish on US manufacturing or our engineers.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            we dont only make missiles dumb frick, pratt and whitney makes aircraft engines, sikorsky makes helicopters, anduril makes reusable drones but ur too moronic to do any research

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >all went to Mexico and China.
      And all came back because of theft, incompetence, and rising shipping and material cost. Jesus do you even have a frick in your head about what you're talking about. Every machine shop in North America is buried in orders.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    in my country we call engineers engiBlack folk

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think the issue is the word engineer is butchered.
    I am a state certified engineer after 2 rounds of testing. I make good money keeping the lights on and am treated well for my expertise.

    All these "engineers" who are just glorified draftsman or control techs are the same as if Walgreens baggers started calling themselves doctors, and then complaining they don't make as much as a cardiologist.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Same. Chemical engineer degree. P Eng in my state. I don’t even consider software engineers to be engineers.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I’m in the field and it’s the same as the guy you’re replying to is saying. There are people for which the title software engineer is appropriate but most people in the field are really just programmers/developers.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Web dev being called engineer is laughable. People used to do J's/css for their myspace page back in the day lol
          Glad those hipsters lost their jobs to chatgpt

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Same. Chemical engineer degree. P Eng in my state. I don’t even consider software engineers to be engineers.

      Isnt engineer a protected title in the usa? Here in germany you have to visit university to become an engineer. You are not allowed to call yourself one without the degree. Same is true for stuff below like mechanic (3.5 years apprenticeship) and technician (mechanic apprenticeship + 2 years school).

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I’m not sure if it is protected. You do need a degree generally to be practicing as an engineer. You don’t need to be a P Eng to call yourself one, which I know is a requirement in Canada.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've done well with a BSEE, although I'd consider my job more of a skilled technician role than engineering. But I make low 6 figs and can't complain. I won't claim there aren't engineers out there making $30k, but that is not the average or norm. I was making $15k more entry level straight out of school over a decade ago. Average entry level salary these days is closer to $65k/year.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you're not an engineer if you haven't risked your health discovering lead or mercury or whatever the frick you want to risk, you're just a glorified idea man until you risk something

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You don't have to put your health at risk but you do have to put other people's health at risk.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        that is correlated if you feel guilt from your actions

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Jesus Christ what a brainlet take

      You don't have to put your health at risk but you do have to put other people's health at risk.

      Hopefully not, industrial enginees take care of these risks for ya. I studied to become one. Now I'm a homosexual webdeveloper though

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that's more like being a scientist. engineers take what fundamental stuff has been discovered by the scientists and use that knowledge to design stuff

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a b***h boy to an engineer and I make more than 30kusd lol.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All employees get treated like SHIT in an oversaturated market

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >got offered like $30,000 a year
    That job is mislabeled. HR Karens don't know the difference between engineering and maintenance.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The US is literally heaven for engineers. I'd jump at a chance to move there but the US government apparently prefers to import illiterate Mexicans rather than European engineers.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >sales engineer

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The real advantage to engineering is gatekeeping your role. Nobody knows what you do other than maybe your boss but often you're more technically minded than the engineering manager anyway. I'm an """expert""" on holding tank manufacturing code and I can slack off in a day and browse biz or bust my ass. Nobody really knows what I do other than me (and sometimes not even me lol).

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This is a bait thread but job postings that are that low are either looking for a recent grad to treat like a slave or a pajeet. And american employers really are just like that.

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Most engineers I work with are glorified office drones that work with AutoCad, BlueBeam (advanced pdf reading software) and review invoices and documents. And majority of engineers look like they frick with their socks on and through the underwear hole. $50,000 - 60,000/yr is fair for what they actually do (which is nothing besides being absolutely useless when it comes to doing actual work)

    t. PetrolGeologist

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm an engineer on $147k AUD, and I've probably got another job lined up at $180-190k.
    You Black folk are just applying for the wrong kind of engineering jobs. The strategy is to avoid anything which can be done by a pajeet, or if possible to avoid anything which they can even explain.

    >t. systems engineer specialising in requirements elicitation, verification&validation, and system safety management

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    most software "engineers" are developers

    >i designed and wrote the underlying code that became MySQL
    engineer
    >i used mysql to build the backend for a web app
    developer

    we just call devs engineers so they're happy with the title, words are meaningless

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >engineer in maryland
    >making only $30k
    maryland has a shitload of government engineering jobs where the starting pay is near six figures. defense contractors pay even more. don't see how an engineer could be making only $30k.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      he probably meant janitorial engineer, literally anyone can be called in engineer in this country

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    americans in general are fairly low iq and confuse the structural dominance of their country for intellectual brilliance
    if anything, the opposite follows. strong group -> less pressure on the individual to excel -> degeneration occurs
    there is almost no exceptional person in the pool of people born in america since 1980. most high performers are imports from europe

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    thanks op, almost got an engineering degree

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