evolutionist BTFO

so how does it feel that your whole worldview on the nature of life gets blown the frick out by the reality of an initial condition for the universe? i mean, i get it but cmon man. how are you that religiously devoted to the idea that nothing matters that you would ignore the obvious hole in randomness being the driving force behind speciation?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Explain your strawman

    • 3 weeks ago
      Dionysus-Priopos

      life is directly in response to the initial condition of the universe (whatever it may be) not some woowoo theory of random mutations.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >randomness being the driving force behind speciation
    Anon, I think you're talking to men made out of straw again.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Strawmen and non-sequiturs.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Dionysus-Priopos

    for the layman im saying that no matter what the initial conditions of the universe, randomness is not an adequate answer to the reality of speciation. and any biologist will tell you that if you get him away from liberal cesspool of western academia

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >muh random chance
      Anon, you're just confused because you dropped out of high school. You've also never talked to any biologists outside of your own imagination.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Dionysus-Priopos

        super simple dude, is speciation a result of the initial conditions of the universe or random mutations?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          See

          You're just asking whether the universe is deterministic or not. And the answer doesn't have any impact on the theory of evolution because the theory never had "random chance" as one of its conditions in the first place.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    namegays and their consequences have been a disaster for IQfy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Dionysus-Priopos

      im waiting for one of you fedora gays to take down one of my arguments instead of just fleeing like demons

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you need to actually make an argument first, just saying it can't be random chance just because it can't be isn't one, especially since it doesn't refute other findings such as the fossil record and genes

        • 3 weeks ago
          Dionysus-Priopos

          im not refuting anything we observe im saying the driving force behind speciation being random mutations is incoherent with the reality of an initial condition for the universe

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Literal nonsense. You should consider not being so American by losing some weight

    • 3 weeks ago
      Dionysus-Priopos

      so life is not a consequence of the initial conditions of the universe?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You're just asking whether the universe is deterministic or not. And the answer doesn't have any impact on the theory of evolution because the theory never had "random chance" as one of its conditions in the first place.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Dionysus-Priopos

          it has random mutations as the driving force behind speciation. if the universe is deterministic then evolution is for sure bunk because the speciation would be as a result of the determined initial conditions of the universe

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It doesn't have "random mutations" as the driving force behind speciation, it has mutations as one of the driving forces behind speciation. Whether the mutations are random or deterministic has no impact on the theory.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Dionysus-Priopos

            no it definitely does, its implicit in the word "mutation" but i will continue to tear down the alter of ego you fedora gays have built. give me a definition of evolution and i will tear down for you but try your best to show me how its a better descriptor for speciation than as a consequence of the initial conditions.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >no it definitely does, its implicit in the word "mutation"
            No, you just feel that way because you don't know what a mutation is.
            >give me a definition of evolution and i will tear down for you but try your best to show me how its a better descriptor for speciation than as a consequence of the initial conditions
            Speciation as a consequence of the initial conditions is still evolution. Evolutionary theory makes no statements regarding determinism/indeterminism, it's compatible with both.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Dionysus-Priopos

            whether its compatible with both doesn't matter. me saying empty space has nothing in it is compatible with both but at a certain level of knowledge it just becomes wrong. im well aware of the unreasonable effective so im not disputng the theory of evolution has its uses but at the highest level of analysis the axioms of it are absurd given the reality of an initial condition being the driving force behind speciation.

            give me a definition of mutation so i can wreck you some more

          • 3 weeks ago
            Dionysus-Priopos

            and here, what dictates how fit an organism and its mutations are? randomness or the initial conditions of the universe that are the ultimate fitness test?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, you're still very confused, but I hope what I say about mutations will help you out.
            A mutation is a change in a genome. That's it, all the other stuff you're imagining is just a result of you being a trailer park meth head who dropped out of high school.
            I hope that helps.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Dionysus-Priopos

            and what is the driving force behind the act of mutating? the theory of evolution is not a simple observation of genome changes due to the environment, it makes statements on fitness and ability to reproduce without (purposefully) accounting for those things being a direct consequence of the initial conditions (whether they be eternal, deterministic or otherwise). so super simple dude, answer the question. you admit randomness is absurd so what is it? and how is whatever your about to say not better understood thru the lens of an initial condition?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, are you somehow developmentally challenged? I have absolutely zero issues with the idea of each specific mutation and evolutionary step being a direct consequence of the initial conditions, and I also have absolutely zero issues with the idea of them not being a direct consequence as such due to reality being somehow fundamentally probabilistic.
            That's what I mean by you making up a strawman - you've come up with this idea that "evolutionists" are somehow fervently against determinism, but that's not actually true.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Dionysus-Priopos

            its funny you say that when your not understanding my argument. if the universe is eternally growing in a indeterminate way there are still "initial conditions" to that eternity which are the things that allow it to continue to grow eternally. those pseudo initial conditions would still be the fitness test and the driving force behind what you call evolution. the entire field is a big cope and the speciation of life would better be understood thru the reality that a tiger is as fundamental as a photon or triangle.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, at this point I'm starting to think that you're genuinely moronic. I repeatedly told you that neither me nor "evolutionists" at large have any issues with this idea. I'm not misunderstanding it, I know perfectly well what you're talking about.
            I gotta admit that it's funny how you're desperately trying to come up with an idea that would contradict evolution only for it to be mundanely compatible with it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Dionysus-Priopos

            so say it fedora gay. say that evolution is as a result of the initial conditions of the universe? you might be capable of it but the majority of people understand evolution in the vein of my "strawman" from prominent intellectuals to homosexual IQfyers

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know whether the universe is deterministic or not, but I can definitely say that evolution in general as well as every single specific evolutionary adaptation may be a direct and inevitable consequence of the initial conditions of the universe.
            You think the majority of people wouldn't accept this because you're a crackhead who dropped out of high school.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Dionysus-Priopos

            well ive had this exact debate on r/evolution and they definitely didnt agree. they wanted to posit indeterminism to save randomness being a driving factor because of le quantum shenanigans. when i explained how none of the interpretations remove initial conditions (even in the eternal sense) or are as absurd as god they threw a fit. i will submit to thefact my attack is more on radical athiest taking a beautiful tool of understanding (the theory of evolution) and mutilating it to spread psychosis

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So your entire spergout is caused by the fact that you're a redditor talking to other redditors, gotcha.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Dionysus-Priopos

            nah my sperg out is about sam harris questioning free will as a grown man to millions of impressionable people, n. tyson chicken strips b***hing about suffering and all this anti reality propaganda. irl i am a leader of men and im testing my theological positions in some safe spaces. so that i may be what i must be

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Dionysus-Priopos

    and ill show you how my understanding far surpasses yours. is a tiger a result of mutations or the fundamental nature of the universe due to its initial conditions? could you have known what a tiger was from perfect knowledge of the initial conditions of the system?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    biggus dickus

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Evolution isn’t random. The mutations are random, natural selection which is the pressure that determines which mutations spread or get filtered is not random.
    It’s like randomizing shapes of blocks that fall on to a specific hole shape, only the ones with specific shapes will make it through while others will bounce off and get stuck.

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