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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's all just afro-asiatic natufian nonsense, anon. It's always been this. E1b moronation and tomfoolery.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >be me
    >12 disciples
    >does miracles
    >raise from the dead to fight RadioChan and Coemgenus

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/ml3ANhp.jpg

      None of the others happened because there's only one God, as proven by the fact the laws of physics don't change when i go into india, rome, egypt, china or greece

      https://i.imgur.com/yJTMOYZ.jpg

      >explain this
      ok I will

      yahweh still not real tho

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There is no God but Allah (pbuh), and Muhammad (pbuh) and Ali (pbuh) are his messengers.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Didn't ali get beat so hard he went moronic?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Irrelevant opinion.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's all descended from the eurasian steppe mythos, but suffering from "telephone" syndrome.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    None of the others happened because there's only one God, as proven by the fact the laws of physics don't change when i go into india, rome, egypt, china or greece

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/yJTMOYZ.jpg

      >explain this
      ok I will

      "Did miracles" is meaningless in this context, all supernatural entites are defined by supernatural acts.
      Everyone is "Born a virgin." If you meant "Born to a virgin" then Hermes falls off, most stories have him being born to a nymph that Zeus canonically fricked.
      The thing about dates is likewise garbage
      I don't know who you think Horus' 12 disciples are, I've never heard of that before. The ogodad is a gang of 8 gods, not 12.
      In short this is trash and it just says that you're not smart enough to make whatever point you are swinging for here

      Pretty easy to explain actually. You made it up.

      https://i.imgur.com/UPyvMTb.png

      Irrelevant opinion.

      Easy. Humans were able to pre visualize a divine pattern because is true. The Jesus Christ came and fulfilled that pattern gifting us the final revelation.

      Christ is Lord

      Genesis Book 1, Line 2
      >”Now the earth was unformed and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the spirit of God hovered over the face of the waters.”
      Enuma Elis Tablet 1, Lines 2-5
      >”When above the heaven had not yet been made”
      >”And below the earth had not yet been called by a name”
      >”When Apsu primeval their begetter”
      >”And Tiamat, she who gave birth to them all”
      >”Still mingled their waters together”

      Genesis Book 1, Lines 6-7
      >”And God said: 'Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.' “
      Enuma Elish Lines 135-136
      >”The lord (Marduk) rested, examining her (Tiamat’s) dead body”
      >”To divide the abortion and create ingenious things therewith”

      Genesis Line 7
      >”And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so.”
      Enuma Elis Tablet 4, Lines 137-140
      >”He (Marduk) split her (Tiamat) open like a mussel, into two”
      >”Half of her he set in place and formed the sky as a roof”
      >”He fixed the crossbar and posted guards”
      >”He commanded them not to let her waters escape”

      Tower of Babel = Etemenanki. israelites were jealous of their chad Babylonian captors, so they stole their creation mythology and made up some hilariously pathetic cope about their sick ass ziggurat. The story of Noah is also line for line plagiarized from Atra-Hasis/Ziusudra/Utnaphistim flood story.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I see only the most tenuous of connections there, sorry not buying it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >can’t accept the obvious truth
          >feigns ignorance to protect his fragile identity
          I accept your concession

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Trying way too hard...Your troll thread didn't work out so this is the next logical step I guess.

          nta
          The symbolism and syntactic constructions from Genesis are absolutely lifted from Semitic (mostly Babylonian and Ugaritic) traditions that predate the first known compilations by at least 1000 years. Not only do they reference beat-for-beat themes from the Enuma Elish and Epic of Gilgamesh, but those themes form the common origin stories for most (all that I'm aware of, actually) Semitic cultures.
          We have lines in the Hebrew Bible as well where YHWH is interacting with the Semitic pantheon. [Gen 1.26, 3.22, Psalms 82] Mind you Abrahamic theologians, thousands of years after the fact, have gone through and conflated these references to a "divine court" to subjects of YHWH that get developed out of henotheistic theology. Specifically angels, demons, and everything divine in between. But for the original audiences that the Pentateuch, Psalms, and prophetic books were written for, this would have invoked the concept of the Semitic pantheon.
          If you take the time to read up on Semitic mythology, the Hebrew Bible becomes far less cryptic at many points. Ezekiel 28.11-19 is basically indecipherable without an understanding of the Ugaritic story of Athtar.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >tfw in 2000 years the israelites will claim they invented everything american scientists accomplished while simultaneously saying we enslaved them

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Trying way too hard...Your troll thread didn't work out so this is the next logical step I guess.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      That proves the existence of the God of the Philosophers. That takes you as far as something like Neoplatonism or Vedanta. How do you prove that that same god was named Yahweh, created Adam/Eve, patronized only the israelites, incarnated as Yeshua, etc. Genuinely interested to hear the answer here, because I have never found a satisfying one.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The flood separated all peoples.
        Everyone lost touch with God but the israelites. Not that hard tbh. Every religion that isn't Christianity sucks

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Greetings sire. The desert calls you.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >explain this
    ok I will

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I stand corrected, fair play

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >January 6th
      Deserves to be in blue,desu. Way too close to Orthodox christmas to be fully discounted.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nah. OP wants to claim Rome stole Jesus from the Pagan. Nuance that Christianity might be complex and varied is not allowed. Besides, OP needs it to be simple.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Orthodox Christmas is December 25th on the Julian calendar.
        January 6th doesn't have any religious significance other than being how you represent the Julian Dec. 25 on the Gregorian calendar.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          So in which calendar was the birthday of Dionysius written?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Dionysus' birthday isn't a thing. Birthdays weren't a thing in Roman times. All we know is that he was supposed to have been born near the winter solstice, which could mean December or January.
            If we magically assume that January 6th is the correct date, it would be January 6th on the Gregorian calendar since its seasonal drift is negligible compared to the Julian.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Birthdays weren't a thing in Roman times
            >We know Jesus' """birthday"""

            I think we can say that both Jesus and Dionysius were intended to have been born on the winter solstice. If someone can show me evidence for Jesus' birthday, I'll be impressed.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Dionysus' birthday isn't a thing.
            Yes it was and it was celebrated over the solstice. Granted, Dionysus had several birthdays as there were multiple different cults positing a different birth for the God.

            >Birthdays weren't a thing in Roman times
            Yes they were.

            >All we know is that he was supposed to have been born near the winter solstice, which could mean December or January.
            It was celebrated on the Winter Solstice by one cult, but other cults put it in November or seem to have disagreed with November AND 12/21 but don't actually say when it should have been.

            https://i.imgur.com/w1IJEP0.jpg

            Sol Invictus actually had a festival on December 25th and was appropriated by Christians because they associated Jesus with the "unconquered sun"

            And yet, these people insist on making shit up in a misguided attempt at discrediting Christianity

            To elaborate on what this anon said: Aurelian declared 12/25 to be the date on which the birth of the unconquered sun should be celebrated. Christians later affixed the celebration of the Christ Mass (as in, the Mass held to celebrate his birth in October) on 12/25 to coopt the day (it was a celebration that was popular across the empire). Up until this Christians (and israelites) actually shunned the period so as to not accidentally partake in Saturnalia.

            The START OF THE MITHRAIC CALENDAR, not necessarily Mithras's birthday, happened on 12/25 (or 12/21), but we don't know what that entails (for comparison, the Nativity Cycle begins with Jesus's conception, not with his birth).

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Christians later affixed the celebration of the Christ Mass on 12/25 to coopt the day
            This is still a debated issue, and is not at all universally agreed upon by scholars, in fact the theory was popularised by christians who wanted to attack the birthday on the 25th as being pagan, and hence heretical.
            >it was a celebration that was popular across the empire
            Proof that it was popular?
            >The START OF THE MITHRAIC CALENDAR, not necessarily Mithras's birthday, happened on 12/25
            Also not universally agreed upon.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >This is still a debated issue
            No, it's very well understood.

            >and is not at all universally agreed upon by scholars
            By definition scholars can't agree on a specific date that the Christ Mass would have been held because it was held everywhen except over the solstice period. This is the scholarly consensus: the Chris Mass was celebrated at various points in time, 12/25 was chosen to coopt Saturnalia, Yule, and Dies Natalis Sol Invictus.

            >in fact the theory was popularised by christians
            And?

            >Proof that it was popular?
            It was celebrated across the entire empire, and every description of Saturnalia (which overlapped with Dies Natalis Sol Invictus) describes it as a mass phenomena.

            >Also not universally agreed upon.
            The sole source attesting to there even being a specific Mithraic Calendar states this, anon.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Yule
            It's actually the other way around, the date of Yule was shifted from its original day to 12/25. Like when King Haakon the Good decreed that Yule now had to be celebrated in December to coincide with Christmas and make conversions to Christianity easier. Modern research on the sources suggest the original date of Yule was usually in January and based around the lunar cycle. If you can read in a Scandinavian language, Professor Andreas Nordberg's "Jul, disting och förkyrklig tideräkning" is the best work on the topic

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >the date of Yule was shifted from its original day to 12/25
            The date of Yule would move due to being fixed to the position of the moon and the Early Germanic calendar being only 364 days long. There would be "blank days" due to fixing the start of the calendar to the Full Moon and the year having less than 365.25 days in it.

            >when King Haakon the Good decreed that Yule now had to be celebrated in December to coincide with Christmas
            On 12/25 specifically, yes.

            >Modern research on the sources suggest the original date of Yule was usually in January
            It would move between December and January, yes.

            The decisions made to fix 12/25 as the date of the Christ Mass were done by Churchmen who were in contact with the Germanics and the Celts. They would be aware of this in addition to Saturnalia and other Roman winter festivities. This is why I included Yule: they HAD to be aware of Northern European winter festivities.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This kind of picture is always the result of some histerically illiterate moron literally just making shit up

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >star of the east
      they're being disingenuous by using it as a word for the, when none of the ancient cultures considered the sun a star

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    "Did miracles" is meaningless in this context, all supernatural entites are defined by supernatural acts.
    Everyone is "Born a virgin." If you meant "Born to a virgin" then Hermes falls off, most stories have him being born to a nymph that Zeus canonically fricked.
    The thing about dates is likewise garbage
    I don't know who you think Horus' 12 disciples are, I've never heard of that before. The ogodad is a gang of 8 gods, not 12.
    In short this is trash and it just says that you're not smart enough to make whatever point you are swinging for here

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Born again, duh. Again and again. Reborn, duh.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Reincarnation, okay. I kneel.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/Iny5bIa.jpg

      Reincarnation, okay. I kneel.

      Christianity is a path to getting your soul reincarnated by the Demiurge.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Gnostic Nonsense

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >demiurge
        Bro just say Satan

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty easy to explain actually. You made it up.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >buddha
    >died a virgin
    He had a wife and son and died definitely not a virgin, also date of birth is not agreed on(and certainly not 25th december)

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Easy. Humans were able to pre visualize a divine pattern because is true. The Jesus Christ came and fulfilled that pattern gifting us the final revelation.

    Christ is Lord

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sol Invictus actually had a festival on December 25th and was appropriated by Christians because they associated Jesus with the "unconquered sun"

    And yet, these people insist on making shit up in a misguided attempt at discrediting Christianity

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Christ wasn't actually born on December 25th. Christians simply celebrate that because it's when the Winter Solstice began on the Julian Roman calendar.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    literally everyone is born a virgin

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Salmoxis not even listed
    Shit list OP

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Did miracles
    How is this at all remarkable? Belief in the supernatural is found in every religion.

  15. 1 month ago
    Une Chienne Andalou

    >zeitgeist bullshit
    Lol. Lmao, even. Get this fedora shit off the board

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Okay, but were any of the others literally God born in a human body, who came into the world to save mankind from the curse of death and the slavery to sin, and was killed by the same people He came to save?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      No because original sin is a fundamentally semitic anti-aryan concept

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I dunno, karma does have the concept of being born to worse lives due to past sin

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Karma is volitional, literally it's the word for "action". All the karma you experience is because of things you did before, not to mention it's finite, once karma comes to fruition, that's it, it's done (you also can't cheat reality by expiation or some such; it's "action", that momentum has to dissipate eventually). You're not born an evil-doer, you get that way by doing evil things, and you change by doing good things. Whereas with original sin you're saddled with it at birth as an inherent nature, regardless of your volition.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >literally God born in a human body,
      Yeah, Dionysus, Asclepius, Orpheus, Hercules, and like a dozen others.

      >who came into the world to save mankind
      Yep!

      >from the curse of death
      Dionysus and Orpheus. In fact, there were multiple separate cults to Dionysus.

      >and the slavery to sin,
      The specific formulation of "sin" in Judaism is only found in Judaism, but yes the Orphcis and various cults to Dionysus posited that their Mangod had come to free them from some kind of impurity found within humanity (such as partial ancestry from the Titans).

      >and was killed by the same people He came to save?
      Orpheus literally gets torn apart by people that he's trying to save. Dionysus was too. You can also SORT OF put Hercules here.

      This is just Greece btw, I'm ignoring Egypt and India for ease.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ignoring the fact that most of those examples are stretching the truth at best, the existence of false religions or messiahs does nothing to disprove the existence of true religion or messiahs. It's like saying that a fictional president disproves the existence if real presidents.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Fair enough. The problem is that many Christians claim their faith to be solely true because Christ was the only guy to do such-and-such miracles, when we have records of all his miracles being done all over the place; Celsus made this point as far back as late Roman times. So there has to be something that both sets Christ apart and confirms the claim that he is the only true messiah, something Christians have never done properly. The few who have tried (Pascal comes to mind) have done a sloppy job.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The numbers 12 and 25 are significant for some arcane reason we cannot fathom. Same thing with the Sun Wheel btw. It has been found in at least 5 continents.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >demonize Sri Krishna
    why?

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Romans 2:12-14
    For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

    (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

    For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that people are replying to this bait proves that IQfy is moronic

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The fact that people are replying to this bait proves that IQfy is moronic

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Those all copied Christianity. You won't find any references to those dynamics before 33AD. Only sources written after.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    most of this shit is just fricking wrong, and what’s with the “born a virgin” part? I’ve never met someone who had sex before they were born personally

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Ikr, it should be born OF a virgin.

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