Fantasy needs magic in it, but I try to control the magic very strictly.

“Fantasy needs magic in it, but I try to control the magic very strictly. You can have too much magic in fantasy very easily, and then it overwhelms everything and you lose all sense of realism. And I try to keep the magic magical — something mysterious and dark and dangerous, and something never completely understood. I don’t want to go down the route of having magic schools and classes where, if you say these six words, something will reliably happen. Magic doesn’t work that way. Magic is playing with forces you don’t completely understand. And perhaps with beings or deities you don’t completely understand. It should have a sense of peril about it.”

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    FAT PINK MASTS JUTTING INTO MYRISH SWAMPS WHILE THE SHIP GROANS LIKE A FAT MAN TAKING A SHIT AND IN THE PRIVY THE PRINCESS GUZZES MULLED WINE BUT THE MORE SHE DRANK THE MORE SHE SHAT UNTIL SHE WAS SHITTING BROWN WATER

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Good post. I applaud you.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      First post as useless as nipples on a breastplate, as my nuncles was fond of saying. Words are wind.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      I can agree with that, but it depends on what kind of story you are telling, sometimes magic being batshit crazy and incompressible is the whole point and deus ex machina is there by design.

      >MYRISH SWAMP
      That is reserved for Cersei's fingers, not fat pink masts.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >incompressible
        *incomprehensible

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    i sorta agree
    too much magic makes it lame. if magic is an uber cool power that like nobody has than a homie who can throw a fireball turns from some chump to the second coming of Christ.

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Slovenly coomer that he is, this is a correct take and I use it for my own fantasy settings that I write.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I don’t want to go down the route of having magic schools and classes where, if you say these six words, something will reliably happen. Magic doesn’t work that way.
    It works that way in Elden Ring.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      That’s a video game, which requires consistent button mashing abilities, so he settled for making the magic dangerous, risky, which it is—sorcery crystallizes the body, heart and mind like a conscious-killing, ego-hating cancer, while staring into crazy yellow flames turns your eyes to leaky, mushy, bursty grapes. Blindness in general is a theme of his, and you see it all over the place in ER.

      It’s also kind of hard to separate/not-conflate game mechanic from game lore / how it is. Sometimes it’s impossible.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Elden Ring is spying on you

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      George wrote like two paragraphs worth of info on a napkin and presented it to FromSoftware so they could make it into a game. Every major character's name starts with a "g," "r," or an "m" because those are GRRM's initials. That and the erdtree stuff (ripped off from Tolkien) with some of the basic backstory like the death of Godwyn the Golden are the only things that George came up with. Also the Dung Eater

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        Unhinged schizo post

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          wdym Anon? You're hurting my feelings

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          No he's right

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        The game stole from Martin too idiot

        wdym Anon? You're hurting my feelings

        He’s right you’re insane not sane

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          What?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            What?

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >magic is science we don't understand
    bad take. magic is exciting stuff that can't actually exist. that's it.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >magic isn’t relative
      Low IQ response. I pity you.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >magic isn’t relative
        well, it isn't. I bet you look like the guy in OP's pic

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          Magic is definitely relative. What is magic to one is not magic to another. You see this all over human history. Or just Tolkien; the elves of middle-earth don’t believe in (elven) magic, only men and Hobbits do. Their (the elves) bar for magic is higher. Meanwhile, the maiar, one step above the elves on the racial/spiritual totem pole, go out of their way to don the pointy hat and wizardly guise, to better guide.

          Magic is a way of looking at things. It isn’t anything, but it can certainly BE anything, from a set/sufficient angle. Even math (and there is nothing simpler than math) was considered magic, all the way back to the days of Pythagoras and the resultant Pythagorean cults, and all the way up to Newton’s obsessions with the sacred geometries of Solomon’s temple.

          Drugs, poisons, medicines, etc, chemistry really, were all once considered synonymous, or at the very least associated with magic and witchcraft. The word for pharmacy actually once meant sorcery in old Greek. The artifice of Archimedes or Roger Bacon were taken to be the stuff of wizardry.

          So yes, relative.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            That you even have to explain such simple simplicity (…psychology, magic is psychology) to the average il/lit/erate says all you need to know about this shit board.

            Authors like Jim Butcher (Dresden Files) have absolutely rotted the psyche of the average fantasy book reader. “Magic is the opposite of technology right?”. Jesus fricking Christ almighty. The fricking WHEEL is a piece of technology. Making a fricking FIRE is simple science.

            I hate the human race and its insistence on staying moronic for the sake of enjoying something stupid.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I’ve long believed that fiction is a damage to the human mindset if the author doesn’t have certain tact, or isn’t actually all that educated themselves. Stories, like religion, enthralled the masses into dumbness. Because it’s their norm. They’re not used to any more intelligent works than Dresden Files or Dungeons & Dragons.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            so? you just stated that the word "magic" and equivalents have been used differently. you didn't prove that magic itself is relative. and you won't, because like I said, magic isn't real. the mere fact that you're attempting to think so hard about this topic is kinda embarassing. it's 2023, your fairy tales have no relevance anymore, etc

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do you not know what the word relative means? This is pretty poor intelligence on your part.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Do you not know what the word relative means? This is pretty poor intelligence on your part.

            (me)
            Also… magic can’t even exist in fiction, technically, from a set/sufficient scientific angle, human or no.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Magic operates on a different level than the laws of physics, it is completely different reality of laws superimposed on our on reality therefore our scietific knowledge cannot be applied to those laws. Scientific method of investigation and research will work though (so magic academies and magical research can exist).

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Magic operates on a different level than the laws of physics,
            This makes no sense. If it exists, it is physics. Full-stop.

            Something has to first exist to, y’know, EXIST. Fricking idiot.

            I don’t care alien or weird or wobbly-wobbly-woo it is. At best, it defeats our understanding (laws/theory) of physics.

            Christ. You people failed grade school and it shows.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don’t care how*

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It is another reality, it isn't just another universe in multiverse or a higher dimension above ours. It a complete different reality not related to our own in any way. Our physics and scientific knowledge cannot be applied to laws that govern it because they are incompatible.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            That’s still physics you bloody raw ass dolt. Foreign physics is STILL physics.

            Physicists already suspect that the universe could have started in completely different ways. Why not?

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not really. It can be a reality similar to ours, but it can also be completely different where physics (as we know it) simply don't exist.

            Regarding how universe started and different physics, we cannot really say because we cannot compare our universe to other universes (assuming they exist). Physics there may be the same as ours or slightly different or other universe might be so different that even if two collided we wouldn't know about it because the two universes have nothing in common to the point where they wouldn't even interact with each other even while occupying the same space.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can’t really defy physics, only work with it, which comes across as indistinguishable to those of lesser understanding. Magic may not be magic to the magician. You should be asking what keeps or retains the magic.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You can if there is another reality superimposed on our reality. Physics still work but there are other set of laws that are now also available for us to use. The biggest mistake authors do with magic is make it advanced physics (in other words part of our world)

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Meta-physics is still physics. Derp.

            Not really. It can be a reality similar to ours, but it can also be completely different where physics (as we know it) simply don't exist.

            Regarding how universe started and different physics, we cannot really say because we cannot compare our universe to other universes (assuming they exist). Physics there may be the same as ours or slightly different or other universe might be so different that even if two collided we wouldn't know about it because the two universes have nothing in common to the point where they wouldn't even interact with each other even while occupying the same space.

            >Not really.
            Yes really.
            >completely different where physics (as we know it) simply don't exist.
            That’s still physics (as we don’t know it). Foreign, alien physics. You can’t have an existence without math. If anything exists at all, it is science.

            I don’t think you’re actually all that cognitively equipped to continue this conversation.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            (me)
            If anything works at all* rather.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are just too ignorant, you are unwilling to accept the possibility of a separate reality that may have laws completely different to our physics, your limited mind is simply unable to even consider the idea let alone accept the possibility.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You are just too ignorant, you are unwilling to accept the possibility
            Nope. I’ve only ever positioned myself otherwise. See

            That’s still physics you bloody raw ass dolt. Foreign physics is STILL physics.

            Physicists already suspect that the universe could have started in completely different ways. Why not?

            (literally me)

            Causality only goes one way, so, mathematically, physicists are forced to consider such hypothetical possibilities. What if the Cuban Missile Crisis wasn’t averted? Now apply it to the universe’s beginnings.

            >a separate reality that may have laws completely different to our physics
            A different reality, differing from our own, is still physics. It’s still reality. If it’s real/existent, it is physics.

            >your limited mind is simply unable to even consider the idea let alone accept the possibility.
            You’re just projecting your own faults (faulty understanding) at this point. It’s coming across as infantile.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >A different reality, differing from our own, is still physics. It’s still reality. If it’s real/existent, it is physics.
            A reality not based on same principles as our own reality may not have physics, it will have it's own laws that govern it (which aren't physics that we know of because it would not be possible to apply it)

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >A reality not based on same principles as our own reality may not have physics
            If it doesn’t have physics, it doesn’t exist. Reality has to have reality to it. I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of physics.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            Not necessarily, it may be so distant from our reality that is not encompassed by physics. If you think of a dimension containing everything that is encompassed by physics then a distant reality with its own laws falls outside of it.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            That’s still physics. There is always a background to the foreground, you absolute dolt.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's not. Your closed mind is unable to comprehend new concepts. You even find the notion of new concept a threat to your familiar worldview, that is how closed minded you are.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            You are either trolling, or just moronic. Both are fine. Have a nice day!

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            lol, when you encounter something new and unfamiliar and even if tiny fraction of it takes hold in your mind you immediately run, close tab and pretend none if it ever happened.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >If you think of a dimension containing everything that is encompassed by physics then a distant reality with its own laws falls outside of it.
            Nope. That’s just metaphysics. I win, you lose. :^)

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's so distant and distinct from our reality that it even falls outside metaphysics realm.

  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >You can have too much magic in fantasy very easily, and then it overwhelms everything and you lose all sense of realism
    Yeah you can also have too little just like in asoiaf, there might as well be no magic because it's just a generic fantasy world with poorly though out political drama

  7. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >if you say these six words, something will reliably happen. Magic doesn’t work that way

    It’s a fake thing that doesn’t exist. It works literally however someone wants it to work. Fricking obese homosexual.

  8. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >BRO MAGIC DOOR WITH A FACE ON IT UNDERNEATH THE NIGHTFORT

  9. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Internal consistancy does not make it real, it need only be obvious enough to explain why it can not be used to resolve the plot immediatelt.

    Fantasy and sci-fi fiction sucks. Just read wikias of existence campaign settings.

  10. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Midwit take, i guess that's to be expected when fat frick is concerned.

  11. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    good advice, he should have adhered to it.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why bother commenting if you haven’t read the books?

  12. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I agree, magic represents everything we don't understand, everything we unknow

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Everything we don’t know is everything else out there. And there is nothing more alien and unknown than the deep black abyss that is space. The true occult. It is scary to think about. Ignorance is disgustingly powerful. One only needs to be left in the dark.

  13. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Completely right and yet he managed to make this exact mistake with his own books by bringing in too much magic shit that devalues everything else.

  14. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    I agree, George wrote, you are just too ignorant, you are too unwilling to accept the possibility causality only goes one way. A separate reality that may have laws completely different to our physics is still physics, is still reality, you’re just projecting your own faults. It comes across as infantile. Everything we don’t know is everything else out there: [the occultists living out there among us shifting about] in the dark.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      >is still reality
      It's not, it's fiction.

  15. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    shut your prostitute mouth

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      gurm is a frog in the well

  16. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    The way he handles magic in asoif was always cool. The parts with Qyburn are some of the best in book 4, and likewise with Moqorro in book 5.

  17. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Magic systems are gay and moronic and authors like Sanderson have rotted the psyche

  18. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Sanderson's three laws of magic are creative writing guidelines that can be used to create magic systems for fantasy stories:

    >An author's ability to solve conflict with magic is directly proportional to how well the reader understands said magic.
    >Weaknesses, limits and costs are more interesting than powers.
    >The author should expand on what is already a part of the magic system before something entirely new is added, as this may otherwise entirely change how the magic system fits into the fictional world.
    >Additionally, there is a zeroth law:

    >Always err on the side of what's awesome.
    holy cringe

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Truly a fat homosexual

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      , limits and costs are more interesting than powers.
      Are they really.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        If these limits aren't thrown into a funeral pyre when the MC's plot armor activates, they can incite creativity for characters to overcome certain obstacles with the limitations of their magic.

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        I assume he's implying the conundrum of sacrifice for the sake of awesome power is compelling than the awesome power itself.
        I'm writing a fantasy story with a similar philosophy where the magic system is mostly low-impact and limited in utility, but the disruptive introduction of conduits for fantastical, if unpredictable high magic poses the question if the cost is worth the outcome. It's basically magic plutonium.

  19. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Predictable magic being a central theme in a story can be a allegory to knowledge itself. Students study years to master their use of magic. Then they can use this knowledge to defeat an adversory or achieve some goal. Much like a real world intellectual skill such as programming, mathematics or articulation.

  20. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Magic (魔法, Mahō?)[Note 1] is the highest class of Mystery that surpasses Magecraft and all current sciences of that age.[1] It represents the actualization of events that are impossible to reproduce in a certain era, whether by humans or the Planet, even if given an infinite amount of time and resources. The acquisition of the capacity to perform Magic is considered the ultimate accomplishment of a Magus, and only within the grasp of those who have accessed the Swirl of the Root.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      Fate is so fricking cringe
      It can’t even gets its own logic right
      >magecraft is anything modern science can do
      >magic is anything modern science cannot do
      Which is hilarious when magecraft can already go beyond modern science

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        >lorelet

        • 4 months ago
          Anonymous

          >homosexual

  21. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sanderson would tell you to explain magic, but for example in the Black Company, the appeal about the Taken was that we didn't really understand and know their powers well enough.
    I guess it worked in that circumstance (first person POW from a non magic user, air of mystique being intentional), and maybe in some stories you would want to explain magic away, but to me this shows that you don't need to bother with magic systems in all cases.

  22. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Fantasy book series also needs books in it but okay, George.

  23. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    He is right, and that is how magic worked in lord of the rings, and how occultists treat magic.

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