first contact

Portuguese accounts of japanese people
>yeah so basically they live over there, they got slanted eyes and pale skin, quiet people, etc

Japanese accounts of portuguese people
>ABBERANT BARBARIANS FROM THE UNFATHOMABLE WORLD BEYOND, LOOK LIKE DEMONS OR GOBLINS, DISGUSTING LANGUAGE WE SOMEHOW CANNOT COMPREHEND

why are they like this? it's like they were so fricking clueless about the world that they couldn't conceive of them just being normal blokes simply from another part of the world with a different culture and origin

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    moortuguese were christcuck subversive demons

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fantastic post anon

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        lmao
        I love these dry responses to strokeposts or general shitposts full of buzzwords.
        Another in particular I like a lot is
        >Very eloquently put, anon
        Nobody asked but thank you listening

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Very eloquently put, anon

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don't conflate portuguese explorers with the jesuits, the latter answered to no one but the devil, while the former reported directly to the king

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that the British hanged a literal monkey because they thought it was a Frenchman

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      this is a complete legend though
      a meme so to speak

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >napoleonic period bongs called cabin boys "powder monkeys"
        Wouldn't be too surprised if someone hanged a shipwrecked frog lad during a war tb h.
        Especially in seaside communities where wartime impressment was a very big issue.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is much easier for whites to come over to Asian communities, than Asians to come over to whites - it takes more energy and there are just weirder range of emotions for Asians going on with Asians coming to the white side than whites coming to the Asian

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ABBERANT BARBARIANS FROM THE UNFATHOMABLE WORLD BEYOND, LOOK LIKE DEMONS OR GOBLINS, DISGUSTING LANGUAGE WE SOMEHOW CANNOT COMPREHEND
    The japs were extremely happy to welcome portuguese traders in their harbours before the sakoku, since they craved the goods they brought.
    After the start of sakoku, the government pushed all kind of propaganda to demonize foreigners.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Every culture the Chinese influenced adopted the same level (if not more autistic versions) of Middle Kingdom mentality wherein those in authority promote an "its us against the world" ideology where the only civilization is at home (or at least, in East Asia) and the rest of the world is filled with barbaBlack folk.

      Consooming their products =/= liking Europeans. Since the Europeans arrived from the South of Japan, the Japs called them Namban (Southern Barbarians) ffs, derived from the Chinese Nanman (same thing) which is a prejorative against Southern "Barbarians" like Southeast Asian people.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao they were extremely appreciative of western culture and were getting very strongly influenced by it.
        Yes there was always the standard "foreign barbarian" chink derived arrogance, but let's not pretend they actually saw them as monsters or or weirdos or primitives.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Lmao they were extremely appreciative of western culture and were getting very strongly influenced by it.

          Yeah by like *checks* a couple of peripheral lords who profited off the silver trade and that one very famous Kanto Based lord who was seen as an irreverent person for his admiration of Christians and Europe. Sure. Let's also ignore the anti-Christian pogroms that even took place before the Toyotomi Expulsion edicts.

          >but let's not pretend they actually saw them as monsters or or weirdos or primitives.

          When you get derided as a "barbarian" in Sinocentric/East Asian culture, its not because you're primitive or monstrous, but mostly what you're culture was: if you weren't confucian-sinicized, you're barbarian. Fricking China still considered 1500s Europeans as barbarian shitlings even when they had Jesuit advisors teaching them shit they don't know. What more Japan who ended up adopting Neo-Confucianism?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >let's ignore all the lords and all the little people who loved euro culture to the point where the shogunate declared it a danger to social order
            >chinks use barbarian to just mean foreigner, therefore portuguese sailors being called nanban doesn't support op's point
            Are you conceding? Because your post sure isn't countering my point.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >let's ignore the word peripheral
            Damn near anything that was acting without orders was a danger to shogunal order, it wasnt just peripheral christcels and eurogays at the edges of Japan who were the problem. And besides the danger seen from these Euroboos was mainly political instead of cultural: lords who traded with silver-paying Europeans especially from Spain & Portugal got rich, which means they have the wealth & resources to tell the shogun to frick off.

            >chinks use barbarian to just mean foreigner
            And were seen as inferior. Otherwise there's no need to translate it into barbarian.

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cause the Portuguese were travelling across the world and met all sorts of people. People with black skin who had strong physiques, half naked people with small bodies that lived in the jungle, etc.

    The Japanese were very isolationist and didn't expand. The only people they met were people with Asiatic-like features. If it was the Japanese that did all the exploring and the Portuguese just stayed home, I'd reckon the reactions would be the same.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The only people they met were people with Asiatic-like features.
      lie, they had many contacts with India
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India%E2%80%93Japan_relations
      and they had already seen individuals with European features when they visited Samarkand, Sogdians and other Iranian nomads have European features
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoghavajra
      >the Portuguese just stayed home, I'd reckon the reactions would be the same
      Not at all, the Europeans had already had contact with the Huns

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Radiochan

    also the japanese kept commenting on how badly the iberians smelled and how awful they were to be around since they refused to bathe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you've ever been around Indians, you'll understand the smell. During the spice trade, before the ubiquitous usage of the deoderants, the smells was incredibly strong and would be irritant to the eyes/nose. + Sailors not showering everyday is normal. They'd go weeks/months without shower.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Radiochan

        doesn't justify why they refused to bathe in japan
        it's considered that christianity would have had a much larger presence in japan if the iberian christians had actually bathed

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because the Portuguese and all whitu piggu are aberrant barbarians from the unfathomable world beyond, that look like demons or goblins, with a disgusting language we somehow cannot comprehend.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Its really weird, because the japanese describe them like weird goblin lookin savages that cannot sit still for minute.
    That isnt exactly what i would call someone who employs military marvels that dwarf everything i have ever seen or heard of.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Japs had literally never encountered anyone who was not east asian before save for a few filipinos.

      Envision it like this: A race of space-faring humanoids lands on earth wielding great weapons of destruction, they look like Negritos from South East Asia, wear nothing but loincloths when they don't need protective gear, eat all their food raw without utensils and are bizarrely interested on buing office supplies from earth.
      Would you not think of them as bizarre savages who probably live in a dismal shithole?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Portuguese did not wear loicloth but very colorful clothes and they were not the ones eating food raw

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Dirty colorful clothes. And probably rather ragged.
          They ate with their hands, which was similar to eating food raw for the Japs.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't believe first contact

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Europeans do look like goblins tbqh

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >ABBERANT BARBARIANS FROM THE UNFATHOMABLE WORLD BEYOND, LOOK LIKE DEMONS OR GOBLINS, DISGUSTING LANGUAGE WE SOMEHOW CANNOT COMPREHEND
    Have you ever been to Portugal, bro?

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Japanese POV of sailors
    Burly men who smoke endlessly, doesn't shave, dirty, curses like a dog, quick to anger, hardy, rowdy, etc also in few dozens

    >Portuguese POV of Japanese
    Normal people doing normal things of all ages, walks of life bustling in either the village or city of all personalities of million different individuals. From young child being carried by their mother to young men courting women to formal soldiers roaming the city to scholars at the court to monks at the temples etc

    Small sampling size

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Well the Portuguese were extremely well traveled and the Japanese were not. Who do we think is going to experience more culture shock?

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They were xenophobic chuds

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I have the exact same reaction when I see a moortuguese subhuman

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Google sakoku

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does that make Nobunaga the first westaboo?

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Why are they like this
    General isolationism, with most of foreign contacts being invasions from the north or raiders from the south.
    However, they were quick enough to accept new goods and foods.

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