>"First of all-leaving aside the nonsense about Deus creating the myriad phenomena of the universe, man and beasts, grasses and trees, sun and...

>"First of all-leaving aside the nonsense about Deus creating the myriad phenomena of the universe, man and beasts, grasses and trees, sun and moon, and everything-first of all, let's find out just why he might have created humans. What could his purpose have been, I ask you? For it couldn't possibly have been no purpose at all. So was it to have a plaything, like a pet bird, say? Or perhaps Milord felt lonely by himself and created man in order to have a confidant, a partner in conversation? Or a jester ? No, my doubts refuse to dear. Deus must have had some set purpose in mind. Or didn't he? Well, answer !"

>Then Hakuo continued: "My second objection is this. If it were true that Deus created human beings, why then did he not at the same time establish one religion for all the people encompassed by heaven and the Four Seas? So now he has to face the dangers of a journey of thousands-nay! tens of thousands of miles, all for the sake of spreading his doctrine to this little land. What a stupid Buddha he must be! And, of course, bereft of super-powers.

>"And here is my third objection. Deus was crucified, another time driven amongst thorns and brambles, and otherwise subjected to deranging pains, pressures, and persecutions. Or so you say in your seven-step sequence of sermons, as I am told. To make such a criminal, rebellious individual into an object of worship is most ill-considered, shameful, and base.

>"Fourth. Without anybody asking him, Deus created human beings, and then he also created Paraiso and Inferno, paradise and hell. And now he lifts humans up, or drops them down, ruled only by his own caprice and fancy. Human beings, be they noble or mean, are all without exception subject to the Four Pains and Eight Sorrows. Perhaps they nailed him to the cross because of the grudge they bore him for causing this suffering. At any rate, this Deus looks like a devil to me."

How do you respond without sounding mad?

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you ever looked around son? if there was a god we already know he doesnt exist just to serve you.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How did you get that out of OP's text

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >are we just god's plaything??? hmmm?
        looks like it, pal

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What's your answer?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            His only criticism is that he doesnt like it, personally.
            Which is funny. Unless he is truly an atheist, he himself must make reverence to a cadre of fickle spirits who do things for their own pleasure.
            But to suggest God does things for his own pleasure? And what pleases him is my personal conduct? well I just literally cant even

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Abrahamic religions necessarily sound insane to anyone yet untainted by Abrahamic schizophrenia, yeah.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >For instance, intending to make his materials do, the carpenter cuts a lintel to span a 30-foot arch; but if it is too short, it shows the ingenuity of the carpenter when he splices it without throwing away the materials; but it is stupid that he should have blundered by cutting the long piece too short.
    >There is no difference between this and Deus' failure to make Adam and Eva righteous, and later repairing them. Without anybody's hiring him to do it, he gratuitously tried to create human beings and failed, and now to create us as creatures doomed to suffering is a plan for which we are not grateful. The disciples of Deus who can listen to such things with gratitude and not alter [their faith] are not fit even to be called doubly idiotic.
    This is great stuff, thanks for bringing it to my attention OP.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Again, it is strange that as we said above, since the sin varies with [the social status of] one's opponent, sins which are committed against the infinite Deus become infinitely great sins, and it is impossible for finite beings to do penance for them. If the sin of eating a single piece of fruit, when committed against Deus, becomes infinite sin, then why shouldn't doing penance a thousand times also become an infinitely good deed ? Doubtless Deus is a lord who fosters human evil, but ignores goodness. Or does evil increase in relation to Deus, and good diminish in relation to Deus ?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >You say that the incarnation of Deus was about five thousand years after the creation of heaven and earth. If doing penance for sin was that slow, was it because heaven and earth are so far apart that it took numerous years to travel the long road between? Or did it take years to prepare garb for the journey? During the five thousand years when there was no expiation for sins, all the people in the world who fell into hell must have been unmeasured and numberless. Numerous people falling down to hell is exactly like rain falling, [but] to watch this without any feeling of pity nor to set his mind to any expedient for the salvation of all living beings for five thousand years - can such be called a merciful lord?

        >Moreover, the number of years is also extremely suspicious. They say that Jesus Christ was born five thousand years after the world's creation. Again, [they say] that sixteen hundred years [have passed] since his birth, making a total of 6600 years. If we compare this number of years with the traditional records of China and Japan, the number is extremely small. Were perhaps, the heaven and earth of Deus made later or separately from our heaven and earth ? It is suspicious, suspicious.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Again, it is said that Jesus Christ was born to Joseph and Santa Maria, who were good people that were not married. What supreme good is there in that? It is the common human code that all people should live as couples. Ordinarily, to go against the usual code is, on the contrary, evil.
          >If it were the human principle for all men under heaven not to wed, what could be expected but that nations and human beings would perish? At such a time, that the usual code is good and anything else is non-good is obvious.

          >It is said that since Jesus Christ claimed to be Lord of heaven and earth, a israeli party, saying that he was a magician, reported him to the authorities and [they] hung him on the cross and cut off his life. Indeed, this is most likely. Since in present-day Japan, the teachings of yon Deus are magic which opposes the Way of the sages, wise rulers, thinking to eradicate them, and the common people also hating them, they report Christians to the authorities and accuse them, so that their heads are cut off and they are also crucified and burned to death. The wise [rulers] of the past and present seem to agree in their governmental policies.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >making a total of 6600 years. If we compare this number of years with the traditional records of China and Japan, the number is extremely small
          Eh

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            muh 5000+ years of chinese history, you know.
            Interestingly they did have the sense that the universe was much older than that. In fact relatively few cultures thought the Earth was as young as the Abrahamic creationists claimed.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, they're right for the wrong reasons here. I appreciate how the Abrahamic premise just fails in their culture anyway.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What traditional records is he even referring to. The myth of Pangu is from 200 AD.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Assuming there was a blunder to begin with.

      >Again, it is strange that as we said above, since the sin varies with [the social status of] one's opponent, sins which are committed against the infinite Deus become infinitely great sins, and it is impossible for finite beings to do penance for them. If the sin of eating a single piece of fruit, when committed against Deus, becomes infinite sin, then why shouldn't doing penance a thousand times also become an infinitely good deed ? Doubtless Deus is a lord who fosters human evil, but ignores goodness. Or does evil increase in relation to Deus, and good diminish in relation to Deus ?

      >and it is impossible for finite beings to do penance for them
      That's why forgiveness came through Christ, the God-man.

      >then why shouldn't doing penance a thousand times also become an infinitely good deed
      What is bro yapping about. Virtue is rewarded in heaven.

      >You say that the incarnation of Deus was about five thousand years after the creation of heaven and earth. If doing penance for sin was that slow, was it because heaven and earth are so far apart that it took numerous years to travel the long road between? Or did it take years to prepare garb for the journey? During the five thousand years when there was no expiation for sins, all the people in the world who fell into hell must have been unmeasured and numberless. Numerous people falling down to hell is exactly like rain falling, [but] to watch this without any feeling of pity nor to set his mind to any expedient for the salvation of all living beings for five thousand years - can such be called a merciful lord?

      >Moreover, the number of years is also extremely suspicious. They say that Jesus Christ was born five thousand years after the world's creation. Again, [they say] that sixteen hundred years [have passed] since his birth, making a total of 6600 years. If we compare this number of years with the traditional records of China and Japan, the number is extremely small. Were perhaps, the heaven and earth of Deus made later or separately from our heaven and earth ? It is suspicious, suspicious.

      >You say that the incarnation of Deus was about five thousand years after the creation of heaven and earth. If doing penance for sin was that slow, was it because heaven and earth are so far apart that it took numerous years to travel the long road between?
      Doesn't understand the difference between chronos and aion.

      >Again, it is said that Jesus Christ was born to Joseph and Santa Maria, who were good people that were not married. What supreme good is there in that? It is the common human code that all people should live as couples. Ordinarily, to go against the usual code is, on the contrary, evil.
      >If it were the human principle for all men under heaven not to wed, what could be expected but that nations and human beings would perish? At such a time, that the usual code is good and anything else is non-good is obvious.

      >It is said that since Jesus Christ claimed to be Lord of heaven and earth, a israeli party, saying that he was a magician, reported him to the authorities and [they] hung him on the cross and cut off his life. Indeed, this is most likely. Since in present-day Japan, the teachings of yon Deus are magic which opposes the Way of the sages, wise rulers, thinking to eradicate them, and the common people also hating them, they report Christians to the authorities and accuse them, so that their heads are cut off and they are also crucified and burned to death. The wise [rulers] of the past and present seem to agree in their governmental policies.

      >who were good people that were not married
      ??? They were literally betrothed.

      >Again, it is said that Jesus Christ was born to Joseph and Santa Maria, who were good people that were not married. What supreme good is there in that? It is the common human code that all people should live as couples. Ordinarily, to go against the usual code is, on the contrary, evil.
      >If it were the human principle for all men under heaven not to wed, what could be expected but that nations and human beings would perish? At such a time, that the usual code is good and anything else is non-good is obvious.

      >It is said that since Jesus Christ claimed to be Lord of heaven and earth, a israeli party, saying that he was a magician, reported him to the authorities and [they] hung him on the cross and cut off his life. Indeed, this is most likely. Since in present-day Japan, the teachings of yon Deus are magic which opposes the Way of the sages, wise rulers, thinking to eradicate them, and the common people also hating them, they report Christians to the authorities and accuse them, so that their heads are cut off and they are also crucified and burned to death. The wise [rulers] of the past and present seem to agree in their governmental policies.

      >a israeli party, saying that he was a magician,
      ??? the (false) charge was insurrection.

      >the teachings of yon Deus are magic which opposes the Way of the sages, wise rulers,
      So earlier you said that Deus doesn't have superpowers, but now you're saying it's magic. So does he have powers or not? If he does, you should believe him. If he doesn't, it's no threat to you.

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  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >And now he lifts humans up, or drops them down, ruled only by his own caprice and fancy.
    What kind of Lapsarianism do you think Hakuo would have aligned more with (he certainly seems more sympathetic to double predestination than to single predestination or free will)

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >-first of all, let's find out just why he might have created humans. What could his purpose have been, I ask you? For it couldn't possibly have been no purpose at all. So was it to have a plaything, like a pet bird, say? Or perhaps Milord felt lonely by himself and created man in order to have a confidant, a partner in conversation? Or a jester ? No, my doubts refuse to dear. Deus must have had some set purpose in mind. Or didn't he? Well, answer !"
    To incarnate himself, duh.

    >If it were true that Deus created human beings, why then did he not at the same time establish one religion for all the people encompassed by heaven and the Four Seas? So now he has to face the dangers of a journey of thousands-nay! tens of thousands of miles, all for the sake of spreading his doctrine to this little land. What a stupid Buddha he must be! And, of course, bereft of super-powers.
    He did and literally performed hundreds of miracles according to the scriptures.

    >"And here is my third objection. Deus was crucified, another time driven amongst thorns and brambles, and otherwise subjected to deranging pains, pressures, and persecutions. Or so you say in your seven-step sequence of sermons, as I am told. To make such a criminal, rebellious individual into an object of worship is most ill-considered, shameful, and base.
    The whole point was that Jesus was wrongly convicted despite being innocent you rube.

    >"Fourth. Without anybody asking him, Deus created human beings, and then he also created Paraiso and Inferno, paradise and hell. And now he lifts humans up, or drops them down, ruled only by his own caprice and fancy. Human beings, be they noble or mean, are all without exception subject to the Four Pains and Eight Sorrows. Perhaps they nailed him to the cross because of the grudge they bore him for causing this suffering. At any rate, this Deus looks like a devil to me."
    Suffering results from sin. Happiness is available through the grace of God.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >can't even properly answer standard objections to Christianity
      Go polish up a bit.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Anon his "objections" show that he has not read the Bible and has no understanding of Christian theology. He acts as if he is the keeper of some superior aboriginal truth when Buddhism itself was a foreign import to China and Japan and subject to the same suspicion and persecution he himself is enacting during the Tang dynasty. Good thing his pompous and hypocritical faith is becoming a skeleton that is only needed for funerals these days in Japan.

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