>For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had gi...

>“For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”” (1Cor 11:23-24, ESV)
How do you rationalize taking communion without literally breaking bread? Serious question to Catholics with their wafers and megachurch evangelicals with their commercially packaged cups.

The only two actions described are "give thanks" and "break bread", and Jesus says "do this".

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  1. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It took 5 seconds to use a search engine to find out what the "Fraction Rite" is.

    Have you ever observed a Catholic mass? It's a subtle action that's easy to miss, but it's there. The whole congregation sings "Lamb of God" when it happens.

    • 4 months ago
      Dirk

      Is a fraction rite a distinct liturgical rite entirely, like another form? Or do you use that term to refer to the fraction during the liturgy.
      If it's a distinct rite are you saying the fraction ordinarily does not happen?

      Is this mass from today the celebrant breezes right through the words of institution without a fraction, then eventually breaks it right before eating himself

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      26:23

      Is that really a fraction? In Mark's gospel it says "he broke it and gave it to them", so what's broken is what's distributed

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's a TV mass, not a substitution for attending in person. It's part of the ministry of evangelization, and elements are reduced because of the time constraints associated with broadcast schedules.

        Have you ever observed a Catholic mass *in person*?

        The way I see it, people watching in faith and repentance may also partake in the sacrament through a miracle of grace. Grace is so strong someone doesn't even need to be physically present to receive it, like the servant far away who was healed. Don't quote me on that, because it's not something a priest would likely tell you and could absolutely be considered heresy.

        He did that right to my knowledge, that bit right before he breaks the bread he says a formula of penitence IIRC derived from the words of the faithful Centurion who's servant far away was healed at the word of Jesus.

        The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

        Do you break every last piece of bread yourself? The Eucharistic host is transubstantiated through grace, you don't need to literally break every last piece for the efficacy of grace to entirely fill the host with the wholeness of the body of Christ. But since you use a single loaf, it makes sense to do that.

        I have seen a priest literally break the bread as he says the words, "And he broke the bread..." Apparently this is out of order but I don't think personally that it matters too much. Can't get too autistic about these things, at the end of the day it's Jesus who makes it happen for the good of his flock even if the priest mispronounces a word or otherwise errs.

        • 4 months ago
          Dirk

          I have attended in person. We use a common loaf and pass it around. The president (one presiding) breaks the bread during the words of institution, like that time you remember "after he had given thanks he broke it".
          I'm just wondering, if Catholics or anyone else don't perform a fraction, why? I'm glad to hear it if Roman Catholics always break the bread but that wasn't my understanding.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            If some priests aren't upholding the entire rite that's a problem. Kind of one of the few things that still qualify their orthodoxy at this point. It's one of those things that the congregation shouldn't have to check them on.

            As for anyone else not doing fraction, I can't say. Lots of folks seem to think that if the Catholics do it, they won't. Which is ridiculous, but that's the level of disinfo and schism out there.

            Do you really pass the loaf around? Wow, see that's the whole body of Christ you're handling. From the perspective of trying to recreate the Last Supper I can see why you would though, even if that's not necessarily how the bible describes it. Pretty sure it mentions only Jesus breaking the bread, not everyone, but that is open to interpretation.

            Catholics stopped taking communion in the hand for a long time. For reverential reasons, because buttholes would literally try desecrating the host or pocketing it, and because St Aquinas wrote that only the consecrated fingers of the priest should touch the host. Thankfully there are usually receptacles of holy water near the entrance of the church that you can dip your fingers in and cross yourself before mass.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            >buttholes would literally try desecrating the host or pocketing it
            It is only bread.

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            No.

            There is literally no early Christian you can cite who would even consider saying that.

            Even if Christ were merely present in the host, as opposed to the miraculous transformation of it's substance into his very body and blood despite accidents, that would still be the Temple you are desecrating. Because the presence of God lives within the Temple. The church and it's members are the Temple.

            We gather around the table and break one loaf, yes. We don't share Rome's theology of transubstantiation so we're not worried about crumbs, and we're fine eating it as bread after the liturgy. One of cranmer's BCP editions directed that the minister take home the bread and Tabernacles were forbidden.

            So you don't have a Tabernacle? It's the Temple, so why not? The Temple in Jerusalem had one, where is yours?

            You'd better give me the right answer here or I'll be mad. I know you have one, even if you don't.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            “Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and you are that temple.” (1Cor 3:16-17, ESV)

          • 4 months ago
            Anonymous

            I am satisfied.

            He not only lives in the hearts of his faithful, they live in his. Hearts within hearts, a kind of embrace. This binds the whole church together for all time with the saints.

          • 4 months ago
            Dirk

            We gather around the table and break one loaf, yes. We don't share Rome's theology of transubstantiation so we're not worried about crumbs, and we're fine eating it as bread after the liturgy. One of cranmer's BCP editions directed that the minister take home the bread and Tabernacles were forbidden.

    • 4 months ago
      Anonymous

      it took probably more than 5 seconds let's be honest

  2. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    how did he receive it from Jesus? what does that mean I thought Paul never met Jesus?

    • 4 months ago
      Dirk

      Acts 9

      • 4 months ago
        Anonymous

        ok I just read it and I’m still confused. jesus came to him and some other guy in a vision or something? and it doesn’t say anything about the communion

  3. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is a disgrace that IQfy is not split into IQfy and /rel/.
    At least according to https://4stats.io/ , IQfy has similar daily average posts per day as /gif/ , and they're wasted on such inane garbage as religion/anti-religion "debates".
    Even if splitting off /rel/ would take half the traffic, it would still be above IQfy.

  4. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    source for the above

    https://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/frequently-asked-questions/guidelines-for-televising-the-liturgy

    https://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/order-of-mass/liturgy-of-the-eucharist

  5. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

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  6. 4 months ago
    Anonymous

    Technically that's incorrect, He also pronounces a blessing

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